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kharah -> 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 10:44:36 AM)

9 Levels of Submission

This list has become sort of a defacto BDSM bible of "Submissive Levels" a submissive/slave may or may not attain (in my opinion, the word "slave" is used erroneously throughout this document). The danger in this might be that a submissive may look to this as something to "work toward." This is NOT at all the case. It is not a "stairstep" type of thing, where one begins at level one, and progressively moves through the stages. This simply gives a VERY broad idea of where a submissive may be upon his/her own path.



We tend to like labels, though I do not particularly care for them myself. There are far too many shades of kink to pigeonhole, aye? As with anything, take what speaks to Yyou, and discard the rest. Oh, and in case Yyou are wondering, I am about at level 7, ~a slow laugh, twinkling eyes~ and that's about where I want to stay, with a bit of cross over to other numbers where appropriate. No level is "better" than another, or classifies one as a "real submissive." Yyou know who and what Yyou are, and the only person one's level of submission should matter to, is his/her Dominant. I have inserted my own comments in purple where I felt clarification might be in order.



1. THE OUTRIGHT NON-SUBMISSIVE MASOCHIST or KINKY SENSUALIST - no servitude, humiliation, or giving up of control; Just pain and "spiced up sensuality". Akin to the bedroom submissive -- light bondage, spankings, etc.



2. PSEUDO SUBMISSIVE NON-SLAVE - not even into "playing" slave but into other submissive role-playing, e.g. school teacher scenes, infantilism, "forced" transvestism. Usually into humiliation interaction to a large degree.



3.PSEUDO-SUBMISSIVE PLAY SLAVE - likes to play at being a slave; likes to feel subservient; might, in some cases, like to feel one is being "used" to gratify partner. May even really serve the dominant in some ways, but only on the "slave's" own terms. Dictates the interaction to a large degree.



4. TRUE SUBMISSIVE - NON SLAVE - Really gives up control (though only temporarily and within agreed-upon limits), but gets her/his main satisfaction from aspects of submission, other than serving or being used by the dominant. Usually turned on by suspense, vulnerability, and/or giving up responsibility. Doesn't dictate the scene except in very general terms, but still seeks mainly his/her own direct pleasure (rather than getting one's pleasure mainly from pleasing dominant).



5. SUBMISSIVE PLAY SLAVE (I have a problem with the term slave here, I feel that a slave is pretty much what is described in #9)- Really gives up control (though only temporarily, within limits) and gets main satisfaction from serving dominant - but only for FUN purposes, usually erotic. May or may not be into pain. If so, is turned on by pain indirectly, i.e. enjoys partner's pleasure, on which the submissive places very few requirements or restrictions.



6. UNCOMMITTED SHORT-TERM BUT MORE THAN PLAY SEMI-SLAVE - Really gives up control (usually within limits). Wants to serve and be enslaved by the dominant; wants to provide practical/non-erotic as well as fun/erotic services; but only when the "slave" is in the mood. May even act as a full-time slave for, say, several days at a time, but is free to quit at any time (or at the end of agreed-upon several days). May or may not have long term relationship. Either way, the "slave" has the final say over when she will serve.



7. PART-TIME CONSENSUAL, BUT REAL SLAVE (disagrees with the term slave here, again, it may be semantics, but I do not consider this level to be "slave") - Has an ongoing commitment to an owner/slave relationship and regards oneself as the dominant's property at all times. Wants to obey and please dominant in all aspects of life -- practical/non-erotic and fun/erotic. Devotes most of time to other commitments (e.g. job, kids) but dominant has first pick of the slave's (submissive's) free time.



8. FULL TIME LIVE IN CONSENSUAL SLAVE. Within no more that a few broad limits/requirements, the slave regards her/himself as existing solely for the Dom's pleasure/well being. Slave expects to be regarded as a prized possession. Not much different from the situation of the traditional housewife, except that within the S/M world the slave's position is more likely to be fully consensual. Within the S/M world, a full time slave "arrangement" is entered into with explicit awareness of the magnitude of power that is being given up, and hence is usually entered into much more carefully, with more awareness of the possible dangers, and with much clearer and more specific agreements than usually precede the traditional marriage.



9. CONSENSUAL TOTAL SLAVE WITH NO LIMITS. A common fantasy ideal. Probably doesn't exist in real life (accept in authoritarian religious cults and other situations where the consent is induced by social or economic pressures, and hence isn't fully consensual). A few SM purists will insist that you aren't really a slave unless you're willing to do absolutely anything for your Dom, with no limits.



Many thanks to amy from the subNation website for the information as to who wrote this article. I'm unable to find the author's own website, but have found many other sites that credit Diane Vera with the authorship of this piece.



© 1984, 1988 by Mistress Diane Vera as reprinted in

The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual (Boston: Lace / Alyson) -- edited by Pat Califia, (out of print). Pat's website is located at: http://www.patcalifia.com/.
Here is some more information that may be of interest to novices.




EStrict -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 12:15:24 PM)

Guess she missed a few. None of those are me. Parts of 7 & 8 work, but I don't expect to be considered a *prized possession* (8), and am not *part time consensual* (7). But then again, this is written by someone who, like BA, feels that it is possible to have set strict definitions. I don't :)

Sandy




masterlash -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 4:11:04 PM)


There is nothing new in this "9 Level" idea. When I was taught to be a Dom (almost a hundred years ago--no, not really) I was taught there were 3 levels. All this does is divide it into finer level.

IMHO In reality, there are no firm levels for an individual, and often a sub/slave will move between levels quickly Nothing in life does not change.

Lash




inyouagain -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 5:09:44 PM)

quote:


© 1984, 1988 by Mistress Diane Vera as reprinted in

The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual (Boston: Lace / Alyson) -- edited by Pat Califia, (out of print). Pat's website is located at: http://www.patcalifia.com/.


Written by a sole Mistress, edited by a sole Pat, and posted by sole kharah...

Looks like we may be seeing democracy at work?

Opinions are fine, we all have them. Just as my opinion may fall short, Sandy has nicely stated the glove does not exactly fit... not enough fingers for her particular hand.

This takes us back to ground zero and square one... if the glove fits, wear it. If the glove store does not have your 'particular' size, color, material, and number of fingers required... what will you do? There is no single glove store that suits 'every demand', therefore you will migrate to another glove store to 'feel' your way...

I might add, there is NO universal language, currency, or lifestyle really... we define our lifestyle through our daily actions, some strive for improvement while others are happy where they are on the stairway to our 'particular' needs, goals and dreams.

If the posted material was indeed gospel, it is copyrighted 1984... that's 20 years we've not listened... so that may reflect a 'to each his/her own' mindset among the populus?

Splitting hairs can be fun, while it can also be fruitless... kinda like rocking in a rocking chair... it gives you something to do, but never really gets you anywhere!

Inyouagain




kharah -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 6:00:41 PM)

Hey i figured some information is better then none at all and you can all feel free to add/subtract heck pull it apart .. maybe we can all get something out of this then.. Because to me posting something even if it has a lil value on the boards is better then not posting anything at all...:)

and thank you for your input..
hugs
kharah




inyouagain -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 7:14:30 PM)

Every since I posted, it has concerned me I may be taken wrong. I meant no disrespect, and applaud information of all sources, old and new. As we all know, the one size fit's all concept has it's drawbacks, and may fit some well and others barely, or not at all?

Information is useless unless it is dispersed. I applaud you for dispersing information, it can only be helpful, if not to some, to others. I was not trying to pick your post apart, please do not take my comments as such. Many people would not bother posting, and you have every right to post anything you wish... and also feel good for your intentions. I have admiration as opposed to a desire to nitpick and split hairs, and of course I have my steenking opinion(s).

You did very well indeed, please do not think it is my mission to ridicule you. My comment about democracy was my way of saying get the word out... but also noting the dated, revised nature of the information... as evolved over a 20 year timeframe.

If I were to offer a true criticism of the information, I would wonder why it was prepared by lesbians, as opposed to inclusion of other lifestyle viewpoints, whether male or female, in a more democratic fashion?

It takes only two to form a conspiracy or a democracy, either can have more.

Inyouagain




sub4hire -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 7:30:14 PM)

Of course in my opinion I think this is all rubbish. I don't see it as fitting the lifestyle really at all.

However, a sub I mentor forwarded me this from the same woman.
Here it is..but she has ten levels in the document I recieved.

Think of it what you will. You already know my opinion.

This list ("Ten levels of Submission and Slavery") has become sort of a
"defacto BDSM bible" of "Submissive Levels" a submissive/slave may or may
not attain. The danger in reading the word "attain" is that a submissive or
Dominant may look at this list as something to "work toward." This is NOT at
all the case. It is not a "stair-step" type of thing, where one begins at
level one, and progressively moves through the steps up to the platform's
auction block. These ten levels simply gives U/us a VERY broad idea of where
a submissive may be upon her own Path. I wrote this piece (again, copied
all over the web) to serve as a more convenient guide In My practise. I
like to know where the submissive is in this "pseudo" heirarchy to better
evaluate problem(s)they face in relationship(s). I hope it helps some of
Y/you sort thru your own feelings and functions.

We tend to like labels, though I do not particularly care for them Myself.
There are far too many shades of kink to pigeon-hole vanilla people - let
alone those in O/our life. As with anything, I suggest you take from this
article what speaks to you - and discard the rest. No level is "better"
than another, or classifies one as a "real submissive or a real "slave".
And again, the lines of demarcation are not cast in stone - you know who and
what you are, and the only person to whom one's level of submission should
matter - is the Master or the Mistress.

Same courtesey is asked of you in the previous article I recently submitted
- please don't sweat the small stuff.

Dr/Master


TEN LEVELS OF SUMISSION AND SLAVERY:

1.THE OUTRIGHT NON-SUBMISSIVE MASOCHIST or "KINKY SENSUALIST" - no
servitude, humiliation, or giving up of any control; just some minor pain
and "spiced up sensuality". Akin to the bedroom submissive -- light
bondage, spankings, chair suspension, toys, blindfolds - all for the
pleasure & pain of the two vanilla people involved. Roles can be reversed
and the "masochist" (bottom) can easily switch and take the role of the
"sadist" (top).

2.PSEUDO SUBMISSIVE - not even into "playing" slave but into other
submissive role-playing, e.g. school teacher scenes, infantilism, "forced"
transvestism, "forced” rape all of which are very consensual - even planned
together. At this level the “submissive” might be into humiliation
interaction to a some degree. Very capable of topping from the bottom by
using passive aggressive techniques. Eyes are lowered only in jest.
Bondage games seldom include real pain and are unsophsticated using
inexpensive bedroom "tools".

3.PSEUDO-SUBMISSIVE PLAY - likes to play at being a slave; likes to feel
subservient; might, in some cases, like to feel s/he is being "used" to
gratify the partner. May even really serve the Dominant in some ways, but
only on the "slave's" own terms. S/he dictates the interaction to a large
degree. This person can switch very easily and may even suffer from an
"approach-avoidance conflict" in this third realm. She has a lot of hard
limits and may not be able to reach subspace at all.

4.TRUE SUBMISSIVE - Really wants to give up control (though only temporarily
and within agreed-upon hard limits), but gets her/his main satisfaction from
aspects of submission, other than by serving or being used by the dominant.
Usually turned on by suspense, vulnerability, and/or giving up
responsibility. Doesn't dictate the scene except in very general terms, but
still seeks mainly his/her own direct pleasure (rather than getting pleasure
from pleasing dominant). S/she has hard limits and S/he must be told to
switch if you want her to play the Dominant role - but her heart and soul
are not really in it. She may reach reach levels three, seldom four - in
the subspace stages.

5.SUBMISSIVE "PLAY SLAVE" (I have a real problem with the term "slave" here
- even though it is a popular term for new people at this level in the
lifestyle. I feel that a slave is pretty much what is described in numbers
8 thru 10). At this level (#5) the semi-sub really gives up control (though
only temporarily) and gets her main satisfaction from serving her Master -
but only for FUN purposes, usually erotic. May or may not be into minor
pain play. If so, is turned on by pain indirectly, i.e. enjoys partner's
pleasure of inflicting pain - on which the submissive places few
requirements or restrictions. The "Healing Syndrome" starts here. S/she
wants to save the world - starting with her Master.

6.UNCOMMITTED SHORT-TERM BUT MORE THAN PLAY SEMI-SUB - Really gives up
control (usually within limits). Wants to serve and be enslaved by the
Dominant; wants to provide practical/non-erotic as well as fun/erotic
services; but only when the so-called "slave" is in the mood. May even act
as a full-time slave for, say, several days at a time, but is free to quit
at any time (or at the end of agreed-upon several days). May or may not
have long term relationship. Either way, the "slave" has the final say over
when she will serve and when she leaves. She's still doing it "for her
Master"

7.PART-TIME CONSENSUAL, BUT REAL SUBMISSIVE - Has an ongoing commitment to
an owner/slave relationship and regards oneself as the dominant's property
at all times. Wants to obey and please dominant in all aspects of life --
practical/non-erotic and fun/erotic. Devotes most of time to other
commitments (e.g. job, kids) but dominant has first pick of the slave's
(submissive's) free time. At this level the biochemical/hormonal imprints
no longer allow her to be a switch. The Healing syndrome is in full swing
here - described as a number of signs and symptoms where the individual is
unwilling or unable to take care of themselves adequately in order to take
care of "the more important" O/other. These submissive are often imprisoned
in their own early and unresolved feelings of abuse, neglect, trauma or loss
- and are often willing to self-lessly serve Another in order to avoid
dealing with their own pain. Unless these issues are resolved along the
Spritirual Path - the results will be depressively implosive. At his level
the Master usually has more "bedroom" tools and may even have a space
devoted solely for scening.

As for her - whether she knows or acknowledges it - submission, like
slavery, is a Spiritual Path no matter where on the imaginary stepladder
s/he finds herself. When, because of her devotion, s/he steps up a rank and
sees herself both above or below other subbies - it's time to see with the
eye of an eagle. If s/he concentrates too much on those below her and
continues to look down (aka "expansion") s/he might get dizzy and fall back
- or once again turn into the girl she once was without having learned the
lesson. If she focuses too much on those above her (aka "contraction"),
instead of the goal - she may become discouraged and will never become for
what her soul longs. The lesson is to be present in the moment - not to look
below or in the past too much, not too look above or in the future too much
- but to be in the here and now.

8.FULL TIME LIVE IN CONSENSUAL SUBMISSIVE (First level "SLAVE"). Within no
more that a few broad limits/requirements, the "slave" regards her/himself
as existing solely for the Dom(me)'s pleasure/well being. This slave
expects to be regarded as a "prized possession" - not much different from
the situation of the traditional legally bound "house-wife", except that
within the S/M world the slave's position is more likely to be more fully
consensual! (It's a joke people!). But seriously, within the S/M world, a
full-time slave's arrangement is entered into with explicit awareness of the
magnitude of power that is being given up, and hence is usually entered into
much more carefully, with more awareness of the possible dangers, and with
much clearer and more specific agreements than usually precede the
traditional vanilla marriage. In other words there is at least a spoken
contract and more often than not a written one. At this level zoning is
experienced regularly and often - up to the fourth level. The Master
usually has an array of sophisticad tools and may even be proficient in one
or more bondage styles. He may even have a fully equiped Dungeon

The r/l submissive/slave is slightly different from the other higher or
lower levels in that she is "attached" (sometimes even in the/a legal and
religious sense) to "her" Master and to her "own" material things -
inlcuding habits and addictions. In fact, the vast majority of
submissives/slaves are addicted to somrthing, SomeOne or another - many to
tobacco, caffeine, orgasms subspace, food, etc. To some the difference
between attachment and non-attachement is so huge as to be debilitating.
But here also - the chasm and lines of demarcation between submission and
"slavery" is mostly self-defined. Basically being a sub means (a stronger)
bond or feeling of attachment between the Master and "His" submissive,
between the sub and "her" things - one that surpasses service.

she "cares" for Him in a much deeper sense but her service is more often
motivated by a bond of love shared between them. Nevertheless, a
submissive, by sheer definition, has many, if not most choices taken away
from her and is actually honed and shaped not by a feather but by rough rock
and sand-paper until her Master has her mentally and psychologically exactly
where He wants her.

A very real and practical difference between slaves #8 and #9, (and these
are all "for instances" of course), would be that while trust and obedience
in # 8 involves a non-permanent, less consequential (having less to do with
values but rather instant commands) pertaining to many short-term aspect of
life - the # 9 The Lifestyle's lower, non-dictionary definition of the
slave) slowly and meticulously evolves from a more serious power
stratosphere and demands a much higher level of trust, obedience and a
change of values - indeed a relinquishing of any moral, religious or ethical
code in the person. The Master becomes the moral arbiter and enabler for
her and He alone determines her moral and ethical structure. But let's not
forget that this too is voluntary and indeed something that one "falls" into
without much realization. The lines of demarcation between Eight and Nine
must already be closing for the submissive to be morphed into a\the (middle
definition of) slave. Take notice here that the slave is still a person.

For example - As a slave a Master could command to get a permanent tattoo,
wear a permanent thin steel collar, call her "slave" or "slut" in front of
people in the inner circle (a form of permanently "coming out") - or
ordering the slave to suck off a friend - (as say, a birthday gift from the
Master to him), or being ordered to make love to another woman at a party -
or even seducing a woman the Master likes and taking her home for a three or
more some, etc. etc. This is a level #9. There are very few limits. But
there are still some hard limits left.

9.CONSENSUAL TOTAL SLAVE WITH FEW TO NO LIMITS. A common fantasy ideal in
real life. Probably doesn’t exist except on-line and in authoritarian
religious cults and other situations where the consent is induced by social
or economic pressures, and hence isn't fully consensual. A few SM purists
will insist that you aren't really a slave unless you're willing to do
absolutely anything for your Dom, with no limits.

At #8 the slave still has the right to refuse to be away from the Master
overnight. That means a Master cannot "rent", sell or abuse her out right.
The (second level - #9) slave is truly owned and has very few rights - but
the relationship is still considered somewhat (at least legally)
"consensual" and often still very loving - but only where most of the loving
flows from the slave to the Master - (victim loving their captors syndrome).
Seldom the other way around.

But in fact true slavery in BDSM is something entirely different: she is
owned NOT by her Master or Mistress but by her OWN addiction to slavery -
her deep, undeniable need to serve. And both Master and slave are aware of
it. She is not even a whore because whores get something in return. No,
oftentime (though not always) the People she serves are incidental - just
another Master, Mistress, another submissive or even a slave sister -
W/whomever. S/he is the ultimate pet, the ultimate slut and while s/he may
get "used to" (translate "love") a Master - basically s/he does as she is
told - no questions asked. Because her service is mainly motivated by deep
scars of the Healing Syndrome, service and obedience gives her the ultimate
bliss, the ultimate float, the ultimate zone. she cannot help herself.

s/he has given up all responsibility but one - to obey instantly, without
thought or even the slightest hesitation - and without any responsibility or
thought to the ultimate consequences. There is nothing else in the world
that matters. Nothing but (often blind) obedience. Since these slaves have
no limitations and depend entirely on the good will of her Superiors to
exist - they often refer to themselves in the third person - or even as
"it". "it" can be traded, rented, sold and/or given away in real life -
sometimes on the auction block. Masters may trade, gamble, fight or even
kill for her. Or they may watch her on a street corner waiting to be picked
up by the first stranger who wants her. "it" owns nothing - not even the
clothes on her back. "it" wants nothing - not even the clothes on her back.
"it" cannot be humiliated and wants for nothing. "it" is numb to pain and
seldom flinches. "it" gives no thought to praise. "it" lives neither in
the past nor ponders the future but is ever-present in the here and now. it
is steady in her e-motion-less. it is ultimate protonic simplicity. its
mind does not rule. it slowly becomes pure love - then pure light. it is
totally, exhilaratingly - free. This is its spiritual path.

So #9 is still the definition defined by the slave “it”self - whereas in the
next higher level - #10 - the slave no longer has the right to define
herself. In fact - she is no longer considered except in monetary terms and
functionality.

10. Pure Slave - no limits. No rights. Non-consensual pain without
pleasure. Can be sold, rented out, given away, left alone, raped, etc.
This is the "dictionary definition" of pure, unadulterated (third & last
level of) slavery. Works without compensation of any kind. Number 10 is
when not only "being in love" is gone - but when "love" is gone as well and
there is nothing left but the buying and selling of slaves as property and
not as human beings or even a person. This is where the fantasy of the
Gorean level makes a futule attempt to exist and the "players" never last a
long time without serious breakdowns. Definitely NOT E/eveyone's cup of tea

Level #10 has no place in any D/s relationship and is illegal in most
civilized countries of the world.



The Mind of the Master.... is first Master of His Mind.




kharah -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (2/26/2004 10:35:12 PM)

Actually i would love to hear your thoughs and others as well and no i did not take it as any sort of attack.. It is just that at times people will ask me are you are a submissive or slave.. I may be wrong but i believe there are different types of submission and slavery as there definately are different levels of it.. So in a way i was posting this for myself as well.. for when i tell a person i am somewhere between sub and slave that is true, i just believe there are different levels of supplication. i also believe that there are different instances when one may behave more slave like. It is dependant upon many aspects, what is expected of the submissive, what is expected of the dominant. What roles are taken on and at what level? I also realise there are some that cannot or do not want to be in these roles 24/7.. Maybe it is just me there are many a time i have heard top/Dom and Master interchangable just as i have heard bottom/sub and slave.. so maybe it was just me trying to get others to think and in a way help myself along in my journey.. Once again thank you for your inputs and your thoughts.. :)

kharah




kharah -> In Another MATTER about the term SWITCH! (2/26/2004 10:41:22 PM)

OK, someone tell me why alot of people in the BDSM community cannot accept Switches.. I mean i applaud them in some ways. But if you really think of it we all switch roles to some extent in dealing with everyday life, so why all the discontent when someone says they are a Switch? Is it because you believe that they do not know what side of the fence that they need to stay on?? sub |||||||| Dom
FENCE

If you really look at it, at work we are subordinate to our bosses, when we come home we DOM the Kids, in the community we hope and expect to be equal or at least looked up to in some ways..

Just another thought to ponder,

kharah




sub4hire -> RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (2/27/2004 2:26:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kharah

OK, someone tell me why alot of people in the BDSM community cannot accept Switches.. I mean i applaud them in some ways. But if you really think of it we all switch roles to some extent in dealing with everyday life, so why all the discontent when someone says they are a Switch? Is it because you believe that they do not know what side of the fence that they need to stay on?? sub |||||||| Dom
FENCE

If you really look at it, at work we are subordinate to our bosses, when we come home we DOM the Kids, in the community we hope and expect to be equal or at least looked up to in some ways..

Just another thought to ponder,

kharah


Kharah,
Now to me this is a question really worth looking into. I don't agree with the 10 levels or 9 levels. I posted the ten just to show the woman writing it. Does'nt truly agree with herself even. If you have something to share with the world. Why are you always changing it?
Again though just my opinion.

In the question..or questions BA was asking. We have learned that what I call a slave may not be what you call a slave. This is perfectly fine. Not if within your relationship the two of you don't agree but thats a whole other topic.

As far as switches go. I have a lot of friends who are switches. We have sat in discussion group after discussion group over the years talking about it.

I am not a switch. When I posted...I am sub to him only. Well that is because that is indeed the way it is. Also how it should be. I'm nobody's doormat. You made the point. We are all human beings. Even Dominants have down days. Where to all others even their submissive he/she would see a submissive side to them. People are human.

In my world...all in the world are submissive or Dominant. Look at your average vanilla couple. They have defined roles within the house do they not? At least your happy vanilla couple does. One takes charge of this and one of that. That is a D/s relationship. One in control..and one who is'nt. The other may have control in certain aspects but we all have our place in life.
Where I differentiate the lifestyle from vanilla is. We are aware of our kink. Vanilla's are'nt. They have'nt evolved yet so to speak.

Anyway..back to the switches. I've talked to many. What I have gathered (and this is only what I have gathered and my opinion) Is switches like to play. They don't always want the total control a full time D/s relationship is. If you go to a party as a single sub...and there are only subs there. Can you play? A switch can. A switch has the best of both worlds. I think people put them down because they have different values in life. They don't really realize that on a day to day basis.
We all walk different paths. We all like different things.

If you start attending mass showings of people in the lifestyle. Get to know them. You will also notice. Dominants are'nt always in complete control in work. Where submissives are. Its a release to come home and not have to make any decisions. To just be told what to wear..eat...and do when at home. To me my Dominant is my savior.

Now of course there are the exceptions out there as well. Although..I have noticed the majority are the way I said.

Anyway you've got my two cents..or my rant. Whatever you'd like to call it.

Gloria




Estring -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (2/28/2004 12:10:07 PM)

I think there are 246 levels of submission. 247 if you are a slave.




sub4hire -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (2/28/2004 10:54:58 PM)

246 care to elaborate?




feline -> RE: 9 Levels of Submission (3/3/2004 11:17:51 AM)

i am all of these, and none of these all at the same time. *smiles* i am me, versatile and diverse.

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iwillserveu -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/14/2004 7:59:09 AM)

Heretic! It is 249! Obviously you are not a TRUE follower of BDSM.[:D]

(Incase anyone doubts it, I'm not serious.)




inyouagain -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/14/2004 10:49:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire
246 care to elaborate?


I took this as humor/jest... inferring a sub get's a day off and a slave does not (ie. 24/6 for subs, 24/7 for slaves). As stated, it infers subs get 52 days off (one day per week)... but may have been intended in jest as 24/7/364 (one day off for subs) vs. 24/7/365 (no day off for slaves).

Inyouagain




Estring -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/14/2004 2:20:55 PM)

Actually, I just picked a random number and added one for slaves. You actually put a deeper meaning to what I had intended. Very clever too I must say. I feel like Bob Dylan now. Lol.




iwillserveu -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/14/2004 5:07:32 PM)

Please sing for us Estring! [:D]




Estring -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/14/2004 9:26:22 PM)

Lol. As much as I like Dylan, I do sing better than he does. But I think most people could say the same thing.




londonswitch -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/15/2004 3:27:34 AM)

Bob Dylan: dom or sub or switch?

Nadine exits, pondering, stage left...




sub4hire -> RE: RE:Karah: the term SWITCH! (3/15/2004 11:35:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

Actually, I just picked a random number and added one for slaves. You actually put a deeper meaning to what I had intended. Very clever too I must say. I feel like Bob Dylan now. Lol.


All of my life I've gotten that extra meaning into things said about me. Wonder why?

People tend to tell me they have their best coversations of their lives with me. So deep...yeah yeah...hehe.




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