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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/22/2008 9:56:35 PM   
MstrssScarlet


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If I look at dominant as a personality trait rather than a noun, it's easier to break down the question and answer it.

In my experience people tend to show personality traits such as dominant and submissive from a young age.  I'm not sure it's even possible to say whether or not someone has experience being submissive or being dominant.  I think you either have those characterisics or you don't.  

If I met a man who felt dominant to me, and he had never experienced being in a D/s relationship, sure, I'd give him a chance.  If, however you're talking about being dominant or submissive in a 'scene', then it enters into another area.  Obviously being "a" Dom often ties in with dominating or controlling in the bedroom as well.  And for me, it would be a little bit uncomfortable to submit to a man who didn't have any previous experience topping someone.  Again, it's sometimes hard to separate the strands, because in my experience every "dom" that I've known also controls in the bedroom, but not every dominant person out there is into s and m and bondage etc.  For me, they have to be both, and while I wouldn't rule someone out who had no experience topping in the bedroom, it's my preference that they do.


I would agree with marieToo as well as MadRabbit.  My husband and I are very good examples because we are almost mirror images of each other in how we started out.  I just wanted to get into BDSM and at first thought my role should be as a submissive.  My husband knew from the beginning that not only was he interested in BDSM, but he could only enjoy it from the dominant perspective.  When I started out, I always put on my profile that the dominant should have at least some experience because I didn't have any and at least ONE of us should know what we were doing.
After being married to my dom/husband for about 2 years, he began to notice some very dominant traits in me.  He encouraged me to give it a try and I discovered he was right.  From that point on, he became the only person I would ever bottom to.  He also became my mentor.  In my opinion, THAT is the best way for a dominant to learn.  He would watch me with my subs from a discreet distance and give me tips on what I was doing wrong or right.  When we were at events or parties, he would point out a lot of things about other people that I hadn't paid attention to before.  He helped me learn how to read people and become a better domme.  Eventually I became more skilled than him with some of the equipment - whips, needles, etc.  These were things I learned in classes and from books.  Sometimes from dom/mes other than my husband.  What I will never be better at is the mental part.  I may become AS good as him someday, but I will never be BETTER.
To sum it up, I feel that the best way for a dominant to learn is to find a mentor.  That's how I learned and I've passed it on to others when they've requested it - both the mental and physical aspects.
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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/22/2008 10:08:29 PM   
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For me, they have to be both, and while I wouldn't rule someone out who had no experience topping in the bedroom, it's my preference that they do.



A sexually active, dominant man, will have experience of topping in the bedroom before he even thinks of what dominance and submission entails. Where your brain is wired that way, you'll follow your instinct. Latching onto a scene and claiming a label is an entirely different matter.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/22/2008 10:26:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

For me, they have to be both, and while I wouldn't rule someone out who had no experience topping in the bedroom, it's my preference that they do.





A sexually active, dominant man, will have experience of topping in the bedroom before he even thinks of what dominance and submission entails. Where your brain is wired that way, you'll follow your instinct. Latching onto a scene and claiming a label is an entirely different matter.


Even in the bedroom, I found that the more experienced doms were better than those who were "giving it a try".  I remember one guy who very badly wanted to dominate me sexually.  I had some of my own equipment and he had made a couple of toys on his own.  When it came right down to it, he just couldn't bring himself to actually use any of them.  I have been hardcore from day one so I was extremely disappointed.  We've stayed friends and eventually he did find a sub, but she is much more vanilla than I am.  It took him a while to find the level he was comfortable at.  Not saying I wouldn't give someone with less experience a try if I were a submissive because obviously I did at one time.  However, if he'd had more time to experiment before we got together, he would have known that we weren't looking for the same thing.
Like I said earlier, I've always felt that ONE of you should have an idea of what you're doing.
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edited because it's past my bedtime and my brain is starting to shut down

< Message edited by MstrssScarlet -- 5/22/2008 10:30:53 PM >


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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/24/2008 6:23:18 PM   
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I was wondering how some of you feel about Doms with little or no D/s experience.  Relationship wise, would a Dom with no experience just not be worth considering?
 
My ex bondage partner was an experienced switch who called himself a trainer. Bondage wasn't the only thing he was experienced in. He was an expert at lying about his true intentions until after women developed feelings for him. When I met my Sir, he had no experience as a Dom.  We met in December of last year and he collared me earlier this month. If I hadn't considered him because of his lack of dominating experience, I would have missed out on a great guy.

Obviously everyone is going to have some different opinions on this.  I read a post a while ago that said (paraphrasing here) 'a Dom should try things out as a sub first', which I really thought was no good, and someone else said 'How can a Dom know he is a Dom if he has no experience'.  And yet, many people in this lifestyle state that they knew what they were from very early on.
My Sir tried things out as a sub first. In fact, he was listed on here as a sub when I first contacted him. He tried dominating and loved it.


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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 12:48:05 PM   
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No i would not consider a noob Dom

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 5:29:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BondageBarbieX

No i would not consider a noob Dom


Hahahah!  What are you, 12?

I understand everyone has different preferences and it's fine to have a preference for someone with more experience.  But the way you put it is so funny.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 5:35:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

books, classes, and just shutting up and listening to others can provide a huge amount of education that would otherwise only be learned at the cost of much heartbreak. 
Michael, once again.....very well said.

There's a lot of what we do that requires learning. Some is natural and some is self taught. I've maintained all along that someone can be naturally submissive, but it required learning for me to become A submissive. I think the same of the Dominant side is also true.


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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 5:40:49 PM   
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Train a Dominant up in the way he should go, and he shall not depart from it! (said with tongue in cheek)

Ok, the original text was written by umm well God I guess, and it referenced children but I can't help how my mind puts it all together.

I didn't read all the responses, just found the idea of a trained Dom amusing - no offence intended to the OP.

To answer the OP.  I don't really think it is possible for a Dominant to be completely inexperienced, because we all have life experiences that make up who we are.   Would I be interested in a Dominant who had little to no practical BDSM experience, but who made me weak in the knees with a look, and could inspire the submissive within me by simply being who he is?  Hell yes, without a second thought!

Now, as for bottoming or participating in BDSM activities - depends on the instruments and if I was feeling particularly lucky! 

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 7:21:10 PM   
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yes i would consider a novice Dom i would have to discuss much first. if the new Dom's want to get some experience then they should find a mentor. going to a local club is a great way to start, thats how i started by finding a club and going. i got noticed and started playing. now i am happily collared i enjoy seeing and learning new things and so does my M'Lady.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 7:26:29 PM   
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In the Old Guard you had to start as a sub.  It was how you learned. 


I once met an old Old Guard gay dom who explained the real reason for that rule.  He sayd it was because they were a bunch of horn dogs eager to get hold of fresh meat.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 10:36:14 PM   
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They need to start somewhere.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 11:09:11 PM   
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A lot of people here say they wouldn't and start talking about safety. I just wanted to make a note that most accidents that happen in this lifestyle happen by those with experience. Its not the new people that is the fear, but rather those who are seasoned. That being said, I say ladies should give new Doms a fair shot.


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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 11:14:53 PM   
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I'll be honest; there are times I'd rather have an inexperienced dominant because he's still learning and therefore will progress more slowly than someone who's "done it all" ... In my experience, inexperienced dominants will often be more willing to listen to what I have to say than some of the more seasoned ones.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 11:17:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KaineD

I was wondering how some of you feel about Doms with little or no D/s experience.  Relationship wise, would a Dom with no experience just not be worth considering?


I posted the following in a similar thread today:

"For me it would be very important.  I wouldn't be able to give my mind over to someone if I didn't have the ultimate confidence in his ability to know what to do with it."

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/25/2008 11:31:52 PM   
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Shatteredsoul said
"A lot of people here say they wouldn't and start talking about safety. I just wanted to make a note that most accidents that happen in this lifestyle happen by those with experience. Its not the new people that is the fear, but rather those who are seasoned. "

I disagree.  In my own life and those who I know in this lifestyle it has been the opposite.  I have had more "accidents" with new tops than I have ever with the experianced ones...frankly...I can only think of one "accident" I have suffered at the hands of an experianced Dominant/Top.   Of course, given my tendancies to play crash test dummy to new Domme Tops perhaps my personal numbers are a bit skewed...but that doesnt apply to those I know and their experiances.   I simply ask..where did you get those statistics for scene accidents anyway?  I suppose your experiances may have varied greatly from mine.

Regards to all,
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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/26/2008 3:01:57 AM   
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I think it really depends on the Dom, for me and lots of other people too I need to really connect with some one on an emotional level before I'll consider them for a D/s relationship so in theory it doesnt factor into my decision making process.

For me I have given one or two Doms with little to no experince a go some turned out to be sub and and some turned out to wannabe time wasting little jerks who wanted a cheap thrill... But thats not to say that it wont happen with the more experinced ones either.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/26/2008 8:44:40 AM   
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Nearly all serious accidents I have heard of (not to say there aren't others out there) started with a experienced dom/top who got careless and forgot some minor detail that resulted in problems. I find like some others have said, lesser experienced doms tend to be more willing to take advice and listen. Those with experience tend to have the thoughts in the back of their mind that say "yes yes I know what I am doing Ive done this a thousand times before..."

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/26/2008 9:18:41 AM   
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I think that with three exceptions*, it is not the Experience but the Chemistry.  Rather than care whether or not you have done something before; someone should care about whether or not they want to do that (whatever it is) with you. Rather than think of experience as a measure of what you have done against what there is to be done, perhaps you might consider your experiences against the person you are with. 

The Exceptions:
-There are some seeking a partner who matches their experience and prefer not to teach a novice.
-There are some who like to Teach or Be Taught, and they seek someone with little/lots of experience.
-There are some things you just shouldn't do unless you've had the opportunity to learn how to do them well.  When it comes to things like Sounds or TENS units, experience is important.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/28/2008 10:12:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle

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ORIGINAL: Dilseachd
In the Old Guard you had to start as a sub.  It was how you learned. 


I once met an old Old Guard gay dom who explained the real reason for that rule.  He sayd it was because they were a bunch of horn dogs eager to get hold of fresh meat.


I have never heard it from a first person source but that is how I always looked at it.

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RE: Is a Dom with no experience an instant no-no? - 5/28/2008 7:36:15 PM   
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I believe that everybody should get a chance, everybody starts out inexperienced and it's through actual hands-on that you get experience.

But, if the sub is also inexperienced I think that could be a bit detrimental.  If the sub has more experience it could work.

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