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Mercnbeth -> "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 8:00:04 AM)
One step closer to each of us having a government file. quote: Earlier this week, a measure creating a federal fingerprint registry totally unrelated to national security passed a U.S. Senate committee almost without notice. The legislation would require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds. The database and fingerprint mandates were tucked into housing and foreclosure assistance bills that on Tuesday passed the Senate Banking Committee by a vote of 19-2. The measure the committee passed states that “an individual may not engage in the business of a loan originator without first … obtaining a unique identifier.” To obtain this “identifier,” an individual is required to “furnish” to the newly created Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry “information concerning the applicant’s identity, including fingerprints for submission” to the FBI and other government agencies. The amendment adopted the fingerprint provisions in a section called the “S.A.F.E. Mortgage Licensing Act.” The fingerprints will be part of what the amendment calls “a comprehensive licensing and supervisory database.” Source: http://www.openmarket.org/2008/05/23/fingerprint-registry-in-housing-bill/ For those who believe more infringement to personal rights and freedom is politically party specific, or the result of 'neo-con' paranoia; the committee chairman is Chis Dodd, Democrat - Conn. In case anyone's forgotten, the majority party in the Senate - Democrat; the majority party in the House - Democrat. What's the difference between the parties again? While on the reasons to vote against any incumbent. Its the season to buy votes. The approval yesterday to extend funding the war in Iraq was approved 75-22 . 75! Think about that number. Number one - it's veto proof. If that vote goes the other way - the troops start to come home. However, the thought wasn't about changing the course of the war it was the opportunity to pack the pork barrel. Confirming the complicity of the media - I spent a few hours last night and another one this morning trying to determine how much and where the rest of the money will be spent, and can't find one source that lists it. However I'm sure my, and your, representative will be coming back smiling while campaigning on how much money they are bringing back to their districts. If you have the opportunity ask them if they believe that money is worth the lives of the soldiers that will die as a result of that voting 'achievement'. The argument I've always heard from the political party apologists is that the majority gained last November wasn't sufficient to accomplish the task of ending the war funding. How amazing it is that that number is easily obtained when generating pork to insure their reelection. This is my favorite quote from the event quote: "I hope President Bush watches closely what happened here today," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "And I hope he heeds the call of a bipartisan, veto-proof majority of Congress and the thousands of veterans who know we owe our veterans the support they deserve." Note the focus. It's a good thing they approved better veteran disability care - they just funded a new batch. From the pool of Presidential candidates; interestingly Senator McCain, the one who is not in favor of immediate withdrawn did not vote. Although he said that the pork spending was irresponsible he didn't cast a NO vote. Coward! The two running on a campaign of leaving Iraq as soon as , Senators Obama and Clinton, voted YES. - Hypocrites! However of course they focused on the veteran's benefits and the rest of the pork and not the core result of the vote - funding the Iraq war for almost another year; well into the next Presidency. I guess its the reason why magicians are becoming more and more popular in Vegas - people are naive enough to be distracted and really want to believe in magic. I think it is safe to assume that we'll get the same "change" from any new administration coming from any of the current Presidential candidates that we've gotten from the new majority in Congress. I know we'll be stuck with one of them; but considering these points, how can anyone rationalize a vote for ANY incumbent, regardless of what political party veneer they wear?

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 8:18:20 AM)
Actually, I'm interested in looking up the public record on yesterday's vote in order to get the names of the 22 who voted NO - because those few actually did what I consider the Right thing. The votes of the other 75 don't surprise me in the lease. PIss me off, yes, but not surprise me.

cyberdude611 -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 9:27:18 AM)
We already have a file....it's called a Social Security number.

Mercnbeth -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 9:57:58 AM)
quote: We already have a file....it's called a Social Security number CD - Two points: #1 - Any reference to the laws passed after 9/11 has been referenced often, on these boards in particular, as Republican and/or 'neo-con' paranoia; not in the best interests of protecting the US, but directed toward government intervention into the private lives of citizens. Here we have a case under an unrelated Senate Committee (Banking) making another inroad to the government compiling a data base under the guise, not of "national security", but with convoluted reasoning associated with Bank fraud, under a Democratic Chairman under a Democratic Senate majority. No scrutiny, no public outcry - Why? #2 - SS number does not include fingerprints and you don't leave that number behind when you toss a quarter in a toll booth on the NJ Turnpike. quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach Actually, I'm interested in looking up the public record on yesterday's vote in order to get the names of the 22 who voted NO - because those few actually did what I consider the Right thing. The votes of the other 75 don't surprise me in the lease. PIss me off, yes, but not surprise me. Here you go alphabetical by Senator Name: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Alexander (R-TN), Nay Allard (R-CO), Nay Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Baucus (D-MT), Yea Bayh (D-IN), Yea Bennett (R-UT), Nay Biden (D-DE), Yea Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Bond (R-MO), Yea Boxer (D-CA), Yea Brown (D-OH), Yea Brownback (R-KS), Nay Bunning (R-KY), Nay Burr (R-NC), Nay Byrd (D-WV), Yea Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Cardin (D-MD), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Casey (D-PA), Yea Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Clinton (D-NY), Yea Coburn (R-OK), Not Voting Cochran (R-MS), Nay Coleman (R-MN), Yea Collins (R-ME), Yea Conrad (D-ND), Yea Corker (R-TN), Nay Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea DeMint (R-SC), Nay Dodd (D-CT), Yea Dole (R-NC), Yea Domenici (R-NM), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea Ensign (R-NV), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay Feingold (D-WI), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Graham (R-SC), Nay Grassley (R-IA), Nay Gregg (R-NH), Nay Hagel (R-NE), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea Johnson (D-SD), Yea Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea Kyl (R-AZ), Nay Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea Levin (D-MI), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay Martinez (R-FL), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting McCaskill (D-MO), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea Reed (D-RI), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Yea Smith (R-OR), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea Sununu (R-NH), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay Warner (R-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Yea

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 12:11:13 PM)
Great - one of my senators Abstains, the other votes "for" this travisty. lesigh And what's sad is I Know (yep, personally know, as in have had actual conversations with that weren't conducted during press conferences or via form emails) the one who voted for it - and even voted for him his first term in office. Time for me to consider another round of outright activism and campaigning for whoever his Opponent is this time 'round.

Mercnbeth -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 3:22:22 PM)
Good for you! Meanwhile, its interesting to note - 100% of the 'nay' votes regarding this spending bill were Republican. I guess ending the war pales as a priority to spending tax money. Someone remind me - why did we support a 'change' in the majority party of Congress? Wasn't the battle cry to end the war, or end the funding of the war? Since it is the same party - should we expect the same result if we believe the person currently running under the 'change' banner this November? Truly amazing!

ownedgirlie -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 3:42:58 PM)
I can only say Wow. Seriously. On so many levels. Thanks for posting who voted what.

camille65 -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 3:48:46 PM)
It is wholly stupid to keep ones head in the sand but sometimes I wish I didn't know certain things. I'm not usually so cynical about the state of things and I do truly believe that people are inherently good which means that I always think there is greater potential for good in the long run. As I said though there are some times when I feel daunted under the onslaught of awfulness. I actually wrote a bit today on the actual word 'change' as it relates to campaigning. Just about how the word is used and its perceived. I think it has become a word without much meaning attached to it. This summer is my 3 year divorce mark and I still haven't reverted back to my maiden name because I am at this point in my life totally unfingerprinted and I don't want to alter that.My married last name sucks.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/23/2008 5:27:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 This summer is my 3 year divorce mark and I still haven't reverted back to my maiden name because I am at this point in my life totally unfingerprinted and I don't want to alter that. Guess I should consider myself lucky that I went back to my maiden name prior to it becoming Necessary to be fingerprinted for such. Not that it would make much difference in the long run, since I've been fingerprinted for other reasons, like my concealed carry permit, a background check while I was working for a security company, and other things like that.

Mercnbeth -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 6:59:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I can only say Wow. Seriously. On so many levels. Thanks for posting who voted what. You are welcome owned. 100% of the Democratic Senators voted to extend the war another year. They try to keep that in the background by focusing on a relatively minor aspect of the funding bill - Veteran's benefits; which represents less than 20% of the total spending. Ironically while providing more benefits for the disabled Vets they have funded the process of creating more of them. The silence on this thread from the Democratic apologists is deafening. I think the defense of either party is foolish based upon today's economic and political crisis. I see my advocating voting against any incumbent as the only solution - but I'd be open to any others. The ability to provide a veto proof majority when it comes time to fund pork barrel spending shows it is possible. What a better way to celebrate Memorial Day weekend than to stop funding a war creating the need for more flags to be planted in cemeteries throughout the country.

Irishknight -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 7:09:59 AM)
I have never been an advocate of your clean sweep idea because I still want to believe that there are some good congressmen out there.

Mercnbeth -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 7:44:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I have never been an advocate of your clean sweep idea because I still want to believe that there are some good congressmen out there. Wanting the same thing - realities, such as this vote, is counter indicative. They are "good" for those funding their campaigns. You may think you are casting a vote for a specific person. The reality is you are casting a vote for the PAC funding them. To their defense its how the 'game' is played now. The rules and routine, 'legalized' by regulation like the McCain/Feingold Act (Note it was 'bipartisan') make it so. Laws creating a political class in the US have been put in place by lawyers representing the PACs. It's not coincidence that most politicians are also lawyers. The politicians come up through the ranks. Not smart enough to pull the strings, they end up on the other end of them. The only solution is to cut them - vote for the non-incumbent.

Aynne -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:16:19 AM)
I feel your pain. The two bush lackeys here in Maine both voted yea. This is a blue state but those two GOP female senators have got to go. We finally have a viable dem candidate, Tom Allen, former congressman. Hopefully he will succeed in unseating Collins in November. quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach Great - one of my senators Abstains, the other votes "for" this travisty. lesigh And what's sad is I Know (yep, personally know, as in have had actual conversations with that weren't conducted during press conferences or via form emails) the one who voted for it - and even voted for him his first term in office. Time for me to consider another round of outright activism and campaigning for whoever his Opponent is this time 'round.

farglebargle -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:19:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 We already have a file....it's called a Social Security number. Nah... Not UNIQUE IDs, ( although the combination of NAME + SSN does seem to work out well enough... The guys at AT&T who compile and manage the files on us for the Feds have all assigned us globally unique ids -- this way they ensure they're filing traffic on EVERYONE whether they have a SSN or not.

farglebargle -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:21:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I have never been an advocate of your clean sweep idea because I still want to believe that there are some good congressmen out there. Denis Kucinich?

Aynne -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:28:14 AM)
Peach, I have a conceal carry permit as well, but even before I did, just in purchasing my handguns I was fingerprinted and ID'd at the gun shop. Is it different in Georgia? quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 This summer is my 3 year divorce mark and I still haven't reverted back to my maiden name because I am at this point in my life totally unfingerprinted and I don't want to alter that. Guess I should consider myself lucky that I went back to my maiden name prior to it becoming Necessary to be fingerprinted for such. Not that it would make much difference in the long run, since I've been fingerprinted for other reasons, like my concealed carry permit, a background check while I was working for a security company, and other things like that.

DDraigeuraid -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:34:34 AM)
quote: This summer is my 3 year divorce mark and I still haven't reverted back to my maiden name because I am at this point in my life totally unfingerprinted and I don't want to alter that. My married last name sucks. Why would you have to be fingerprinted to change your name back. Is that in some legislation that the senators and congress voted on without reading the bill? Like they do with the vast majority of the legislation. I would vote for someone who will actually READ the entire bill before voting. Fat chance of that happening. Dragon

camille65 -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 8:49:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DDraigeuraid quote: This summer is my 3 year divorce mark and I still haven't reverted back to my maiden name because I am at this point in my life totally unfingerprinted and I don't want to alter that. My married last name sucks. Why would you have to be fingerprinted to change your name back. Is that in some legislation that the senators and congress voted on without reading the bill? Like they do with the vast majority of the legislation. I would vote for someone who will actually READ the entire bill before voting. Fat chance of that happening. Dragon I live in Michigan.In order to revert back to my maiden name I would have to go to the state police and get fingerprinted. Obstentiously to prevent felons from changing their names and avoiding the law.I also have to pay a hefty fee to change my last name. At 42 I have never had a moving violation, personal police involvement or been fingerprinted for any reason. I resent like hell the fact that I have to turn over my prints and get put in a database for no other reason than wanting to return to my full given name.Dammit. See? It makes me so mad I swore twice in one post!

ownedgirlie -> RE: "Change" from Congress and the Candidates (5/24/2008 10:10:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth The silence on this thread from the Democratic apologists is deafening. I think the defense of either party is foolish based upon today's economic and political crisis. I see my advocating voting against any incumbent as the only solution - but I'd be open to any others. I agree. Both parties are shameful. I'm an advocate of a clean sweep. I'm not sure it will solve the problem, but perhaps it won't perpetuate it? But I do think this list should be posted any time someone wants to blame the unending war on the Republicans.

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