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slaveboyforyou -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/23/2008 11:17:35 PM)

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sb4u, good choice on avoiding Little Rock.  Unless it has changed drastically in my time away, I wouldn't live there either. 


It's changed a little.  I was up there last week downtown at a pub with a friend of mine.  I actually am amazed what they did downtown around the riverfront.  They went in there any cleaned it up drastically.  All those old vacant building now have super expensive condos and apartments in them now.  They put a trolly in down there, that runs through downtown and over the river to North Little Rock.  Markham downtown is filled with clubs, microbrew places.  It really is remarkable what they have done.  I lived downtown in Little Rock near the old train station in 1999-2000, and it was bad.  The buildings were all vacant and run down.  There were homeless people everywhere, and I heard gunfire every night during the summer.  I really am amazed what they did with the place. 

I don't want to move back there because I know I will end up in a shitty sales job again and I'll get stuck in it.  I am just sick of settling when I know I can do better. 




Owner59 -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/23/2008 11:50:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The Hillary haters bore me.





       Disliking someone, mistrusting them, thinking their vision of the future is completely wrong, does not have to equate with hatred, O59. 

       She's a control freak (travel office, health care).  She doesn't believe the same rules really apply to her (Rose Law billing records).  She exhibits some serious paranoia (the "vast, right-wing conspiracy/attack machine").  She wants to be President more than anything else in the world, and will behave completely unscrupulously to achieve that.

    Say it with me now, O59; she's Nixon with a what?


The travel office charge was a scam and the republicans worked with Hillary for months in on HC,then ran like rats from the issue during the re-election.

There was no there there with the law firm records.The papers she supposedly withheld,were in fact given over and showed she was innocent of the charges.The republicans were caught accusing her of withhold evidence(a sign of guilt) that actually exonerated her.lol woops!lol

Now,if well funded groups of partisans working in concert to assassinate Bill Clinton`s character isn`t a conspiracy,I don`t know what is.Perhaps it`s more neo-con re-definition of terms.

One example of it.

Ann Colter working with Susan Carpenter McMillan(Paula Jones`"spokesperson) and Lucianne Goldberg, meet regularly with Linda Tripp(who is meeting and taping phone calls w/ Monica)and is also working with Kenith Starr`s investigation.

Tripp reports to Colter and McMillan,who couch her on what to say and do concerning Lewinsky.

Tripp also reports to Colter and McMillan on Starr`s doings aswell,couching her on what to say to him and his small army investigators.

They all together tricked Lewinsky into thinking Tripp was her friend,but listening to the illegally taped phone calls between Tripp and Monica,you can tell that Tripp is a snake in the grass.

The Book deal with Lucianne Goldberg kinda codifies the fact that Tripp was no do-gooder, good faith player.But rather a con-woman working Lewinsky,Starr and the public.

That was just one small part of it,all coordinated,planned and done by about two dozen republicans and a host of unwitting fools,like Ken Starr and members of the press.

One this that Ken Starr did achieve after 60 million in taxpayer moneys spent,he completely exonerated the Clintons.

This is why I say Clinton haters bore me.

No originality or critical thought.Nothing but fluff and false,old reputed charges like the "tavel office".

Just reading and rereading from silly talking points like a mantra.

Like I said,a legit criticism.Something above the 3rd grade level phony attacks we`ve heard forever.

It`s a simple enough question.If she`s so bad,it should be easy to come up with something other than closing an airport so that Al Gore could get a hair cut or Bill Clinton having a lesbian affair with Hillary`s COS.Or was it Hillary having the affair?

No matter....




TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 12:28:52 AM)

        You seem to have the spin and talking points updates down pretty well, O59.  I'll bet you have links to DailyKos and the New York Times, too...

       Paranoid, unscrupulous, control freak.  Nixon with a what?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 6:47:19 AM)

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This is why I say Clinton haters bore me.
Like I said,a legit criticism.Something above the 3rd grade level phony attacks we`ve heard forever


How about the Mike Rich pardon? All he did was evade $48 million in taxes and illegally trade with Iran in oil during the hostage crisis. Would it be a coincidence that Mr. Rich, the ex-husband of Denise Rich, was a prominent fund-raiser for the Clintons and the Democratic Party? Have a rationalization for that behavior? More than likely some of Mr. Rich's money ended up funding Senator Clinton's campaign.

I'm sure you'd say that was right out of the Republican play book; but that's the point isn't it? It has been mine for quite a few years.

Although I admire your religious dedication; you do yourself a disservice and discount the value of your contributions to political debate by representing a total apologist position for the Democratic party in general and the Clintons in particular.

On topic...

I don't think she wanted to be vice-President anyway.

Perhaps she really does have the Kennedy legacy in mind and sees an opportunity to replace it with the imminent death of Senator Kennedy. However, NY State isn't Massachusetts. No matter how long she represents being the '#1 Yankee Fan'; the voters will switch to someone else in a 'New York Minute'. Hell this whole thing could be the result of realizing that her window is closing fast.

Then again it maybe as Michael Goodwin writes in today's NY Daily news; "We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way." (Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/05/24/2008-05-24_hillary_clintons_colossal_blunder_simply-2.html )




bipolarber -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 6:56:48 AM)

sb4u,

Not that it's any of my business, but what kind of work are you looking for? (I always like to keep my ear to the ground for people... it costs me nothing, and you never know... some good may come of it.)





Aynne -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:05:04 AM)

Owner,

Me too. These childish ad hominem Hillary attacks are so very predictable and lack anything of substance.  As far as her Kennedy comment, well, RFK Jr. saw nothing wrong with it and still supports her.  It was as you say no biggie.



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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`d love to see a joint ticket with them both.

The Hillary haters bore me.

Still haven`t heard one thing that she`s done or a position she has that`s bad.

And, I`m not talking about killing Monica Lewinsky or giving a BJ to Vince Foster ,either.

I`d like to hear some legitimate criticisms of policy or voting record.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Though Mr Obama may be slightly to the left of Hillary,they`re both very much moderates.

If what`s happened over the last 7 years isn`t radical,I don`t what is.
Of course,McCain is Bush III x 10.





Aynne -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:09:52 AM)

Merc,

Since when is raw ambition a negative? When it has a pussy? [8|]




Irishknight -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:11:10 AM)

Some of us like ambitious pussies.




Nosathro -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:15:46 AM)

Well getting back to the topic, I do not believe she is going to end her bid for the White House.  Even with the most recent flap of the Kenndy assasinations, which many will say is going to cost her.  The word is if she and a group of lawyers are preparing legal actions.  If she does not get the nomination she will start filling lawsuits and make the courts force the Democrates to accept her as the Presidental nomine.




DomAviator -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:16:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

As to seeing Deliverance types at Toad Suck...shit you see people like that at any kind of local festival or county fair in small towns across the country.  Go to a bus station or a Wal-Mart in any city in America and you see people like that.  Urbanites have their fair share of trashy people.  It's not just the rural states. 


Slaveboy is exactly right... Ever seen "Urban Cowboy" - All cowboys aint dumb some of em got smarts real good like me" I swear to god I dated the daughter of Bud and Sissy. Houston is the 4th largest city in America and very high tech - shit we have NASA here, oil companies who employ "ists" and "engingeers" by the thousands - you will find more PhD's in an oil company than a college... Yet, I dated a woman who tipped an airline captain, asked a sommelier for Boone, and who thought a lobster was the biggest mudbug she ever saw... LOL (and as an aside, we are still friends and come August she will be teaching in the public schools LMFAO!) I firmly believe rednecks are related to bible thumpers... the more thumpers the more rednecks. I was buying fudge from some teenage girls at a bake sale in a parking lot and my Baptist gf came running over saying "Keeeeeev, whatcha think yer doing theys methodists!!!!" We had a little discussion about how those kids are gonna go to methodist bible camp and burn in the lake of fire blah blah blah - I finally told her look, Im a fudgeaholic and I dont care if its the Interacial Gay Nazis selling it, if they got fudge Im buying unless shes baking.... (Good move on my part, she baked lots of fudge to keep me away from non baptist bake sales... LOL) Rednecks are EVERYWHERE!

Now as for Hillary... Shes probably trying to get Hinckley a weekend pass and telling him that Jodie Foster is a lesbian because Obama is already married. Shes probably doing boilermakers in bars in Vidor and Jasper TX, and Harrison Arkansas and telling them how James Earl Ray was her hero... On a serious note though, I am glad Im not on Obama's secret service detail because I think he has the life expectancy of a snowball in hell. I mean Hillary shouldnt have said it on the campaign trail but I do think if it comes down to a black president SOMEONE will take him out. Hell even Mike Huckabee, a Baptist minister, was joking about it! Ive heard more than one person here in Texas, absolutely not joking, say they would like to see him shot. So while Im no clinton fan, what Hillary said was tasteless but accurate - liek much of what I say.




Irishknight -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:30:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Well getting back to the topic, I do not believe she is going to end her bid for the White House.  Even with the most recent flap of the Kenndy assasinations, which many will say is going to cost her.  The word is if she and a group of lawyers are preparing legal actions.  If she does not get the nomination she will start filling lawsuits and make the courts force the Democrates to accept her as the Presidental nomine.

So you're saying that she is going to cloud the democratic process by ignoring it if she loses.  Haven't we seen this childish behavior from losing candidates before? 
I don't know if you're right, but it wouldn't surprise me.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:33:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne
Merc,
Since when is raw ambition a negative? When it has a pussy? [8|]

Aynne,
Don't know - I don't subscribe to that position.

You should ask the author of that quote, Michael Goodwin. Follow the NY Daily News link and send him an email.




Aynne -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:43:23 AM)

Too busy reading the NYTimes right now. However, if you don't subscribe to that theory, doesn't that kind of negate the point in posting it to assert your argument? Generally when I link a quote or an article it means I actually subscribe to the same theory...




Mercnbeth -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:53:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Too busy reading the NYTimes right now. However, if you don't subscribe to that theory, doesn't that kind of negate the point in posting it to assert your argument? Generally when I link a quote or an article it means I actually subscribe to the same theory...

Not all the time in my case. Were it in support, I'd say so. In this case I gave it as an alternative, as indicated as "maybe" and pointed to the position being provided by another source.

I think Senator Clinton's "misrepresentations" don't need any editorializing. They speak for themselves and should be considered as part of the decision to support her; whether dodging bullets over Bosnia, or alluding to the assassination of her competitor.

Justice should be blind - not support or loyalty.




Irishknight -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 7:53:22 AM)

NY Times?  They are about as trustworthy as FOX News.  Puhlease.. 




Owner59 -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 8:05:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     You seem to have the spin and talking points updates down pretty well, O59.  I'll bet you have links to DailyKos and the New York Times, too...

    Paranoid, unscrupulous, control freak.  Nixon with a what?


Swing and a miss.

Bush Jr., is a bit more Nixonian than anyone in recent political history.With theViet-Nam(Iraq) gambit and all the rest.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 8:12:28 AM)

~ FAST REPLY ~
 
Since no poll is involved I guess Senator Clinton's campaign for the Presidency is now 'Random Stupidity'.

Interesting...

Disclosing of a political agenda with the powers that be running Collar Me; or a dictatorial decision?




Sanity -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 8:33:38 AM)


Yeah, bingo.

It seems that most threads that make big leftys look bad get moved here, such as this one about Obama saying we Americans can no longer eat as much as we want.



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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

~ FAST REPLY ~
 
Since no poll is involved I guess Senator Clinton's campaign for the Presidency is now 'Random Stupidity'.

Interesting...

Disclosing of a political agenda with the powers that be running Collar Me; or a dictatorial decision?




rulemylife -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 8:56:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Not looking for converts, thanks. I consider central Arkansas to be far too stupid, too racist, too "Bible Beltish" to warrant hope for them. I'm just bringing up the news of the day, and getting some kind of discussion going on it. The "gaffe" was the subject of the last three hours of coverage in this last evening's news cycle, and already major members of the DNC are calling for her to pack her bags and kindly disappear.

Arkansas won't vote for Obama? You may be right about that. Luckily, Arkansas doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

I suppose it'll depend on how well she can spin it, if the "gaffe" has any traction or not. After all, she's cozied up to the worst of the GOP lately, Scafe, Rove, etc. She goes back on her word about not making FL an issue,  invokes racisim, cries foul sexisim when it's suited her, lied about being pinned down by sniper fire, blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, she might win, whoever the hell she is, anymore. I wonder whatever happened to the woman I actually admired when this whole circus started, so long ago? This "mere gaffe" bringing up the spectere of assasination, in a race charged with racisim (your own post shows you are aware of it as I am) sexisim, and people who want to see this quagmire end... ant any cost...to bring up the possibility on national radio that perhaps the front runner could be shot down as Bobby Kennedy was... to suggest that... and to allude to it being one of the reasons you're staying in the race... and to do this the same week that Ted Kennedy finds out that he has an inoperable brain tumor...

You don't think that says anything about a certain lack of character, on her part? Perhaps a lack of some modicum of sensativity?

When I said "discuss" it's because I want to know what all of you think. Is it a tempest in a teapot? Or do you think this is so far over the line, it's going to crush her ability to make it to Colorado?



I'm not even sure why this is being considered a "gaffe".  I've heard what she said and I didn't think there was anything inappropriate. It was just a slow news day at CNN so they had to come up with something.




LotusSong -> RE: Hillary's run for the White House ends tonight? (5/24/2008 5:21:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Merc,

Since when is raw ambition a negative? When it has a pussy? [8|]


pssssssssssssssssst...... do not poke the pusyphobes. [sm=poke.gif]




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