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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:32:44 AM   
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But even if I get banned permanantly I'm damned if I'll sit back and allow some one who has no clue of the context or the common usage of things I use to abuse and insult me on a personal level when the same objection could have been handled in an intelligent way.
Well I should have researched to be bop and rap music in Australia, because apparently you are saying it's different there, so if you were taking them out and killing them all, it would not be primarily a negro thing??? As we say in the hood in the US PUHLEEZ!
http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/history/hsty3080/3rdYr3080/Dizzy/DIZZY%20WEB%20I/issueC1.html
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Dont expect me not to use idioms and speach modes because it upsets you. I make no appologies for what I write. You dont like my posts? good block them then you dont have to read them. We have nothing to say to each other anyway.
I don't expect magnanimity, an open mind and decency from you any longer.
I could actually on some level respect your coming in defense of Pink and taking on the heat, but there is no understanding from me when in whatever coloquialism you use, you indicate a wish to do away with people who look like me. As you accused me, you too could have defended Pink without insulting me and mine.
We do agree on one fact: We have nothing to say to each other. As for blocking you, I take directions from you about as well as Brightspot does.

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Foibey
having a bunch of black friends doesn't mean you're not racist in the same way that having friends who are women doesn't mean you're not sexist. It's a non-sequitur argument
Thanks for pointing out that obvious piece of info to Mr "some of my best friends..." M


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:35:18 AM   
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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:36:50 AM   
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But,but seal clubbing is MUCH more fun than this.
Does this mean you and I are hugging and making up? M

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:39:20 AM   
JustaTop


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Join me by getting off of this rant?

It CAN'T be good for your blood pressure!

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:44:23 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		It isn't good for me, but what is worse is hiding head in sand in saying "I don't see it."
If people (like MLK, Malcolm X, and Brightspot) had done that always, not confronted it because it's painful, I wouldn't be here participating, so I too must take my beatings and deal with it so that maybe my child will grow up with a little more tolerance and understanding.
I have a lot of love around me, so if the worse I encounter is here, I can cope.
I apreciate the advice though, M

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:46:02 AM   
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But I just try (notice I said *try*)and say it once-if they don't get it, why bother?

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 1:21:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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But even if I get banned permanantly I'm damned if I'll sit back and allow some one who has no clue of the context or the common usage of things I use to abuse and insult me on a personal level when the same objection could have been handled in an intelligent way.


Well I should have researched to be bop and rap music in Australia, because apparently you are saying it's different there, so if you were taking them out and killing them all, it would not be primarily a negro thing??? As we say in the hood in the US PUHLEEZ!
http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/history/hsty3080/3rdYr3080/Dizzy/DIZZY%20WEB%20I/issueC1.html


If you read my entire post, you would have seen that i commented that if you were here, the same comment could be heard about the local polititions or reval ARL clubs or interstate cricket teams etc etc.. It is naught but a manner of speach. There is no way known that anyone here takes such comments to heart. If I guilty of anything, it is on a lack of sensitivity due to ignorance of the sociological ins and outs of where you live. That does not mean that you have a god given right to take issue because we in effect speak different languages. IOf you believe that all persons who are not US citizens must make them selves aware of the correct political ways of refering to things, you are in fact stating that this is a US site and tnon US members are 2nd class members. I for one will happily walk from CM if this is the case. Had you pulled me up short and ASKED my terms of reference and if I was refering to litteral issues, this could have been sorted and you would have had an appology for inadvertyantly offending you and any other rap/negro members of CM. I never have in my life made deliberate racist statements and certainly not about African Americans many of whome are more than just friends, but are what I consider family.


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I don't expect magnanimity, an open mind and decency from you any longer.
I could actually on some level respect your coming in defense of Pink and taking on the heat, but there is no understanding from me when in whatever coloquialism you use, you indicate a wish to do away with people who look like me. As you accused me, you too could have defended Pink without insulting me and mine.
We do agree on one fact: We have nothing to say to each other. As for blocking you, I take directions from you about as well as Brightspot does.


I cant figure out what you are saying here. I've never had any indication in the past that you expected either magnanimity or open minded decency from me. In fact I dont remember you ever having spoken to me at all. You just dont know me at all or have any idea where I stand on most issues. I may dive in and run a defensive block to try to shield pink or wade in when some one I call a friend is being blasted because that is what friends do where I come from irrespective or ethnicisity. That doesn't mean I'll do the same for everyone who gets flamed untill it gets too bad when common decency dictates I should speak up. The fact that I've never seen you in that situation, means we have never had that situation in common but it does not mean I wouldn't step up if I believed it were the right thing to do. I have no hesitation in stating that if the manner in which I illustrated some comments caused you any distress and discomfort, you have my sincere appology for it was never intended to be other than an example I was using in a very Australian format. You may either accept that or you may not that is up to you. How you react to me is again up to you. I wish you well.


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 4:19:39 AM   
Guest
 It isn't the racisim, its the personal attacks.
Its still going on.It isnt a discussion, its isaid,hesaid,shesaid,theysaid.Its not about racism per se(),its trying to overshout each other.Express personal thoughts by all means but making accusations on others is Against TOS.Simple as that.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 4:23:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ModeratorTen

It isn't the racisim, its the personal attacks.
Its still going on.It isnt a discussion, its isaid,hesaid,shesaid,theysaid.Its not about racism persay,its trying to overshout each other.Express personal thoughts by all means but making accusations on others is Against TOS.Simple as that.


Why not ban someone then? put people on moderation. Read the boards. The mods are in control of noone anymore. Its an utter joke.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 4:33:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: imtemptingThe mods are in control of noone anymore. Its an utter joke.

Some people call this joke freedom of speech. And some are actually happy with the mods keeping this joke going.
Oh, it's "per se" (by itself), not "persay" ;).

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 4:51:04 AM   
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The point is Steve, I believe that for me to, by custom, be forced to post my comments in shall we say American common phraseology, you would be insulting both me as a person by denying me the freedom to use my normal and accustomed speech and insulting my nationality.

IronBear


Yes..there truely are differences. i was in a chat room with many people from Germany, and i made a come-on to one Man, saying i think we should get s**tfaced together...and He was agasht. Took some explaining -- and some trust -- before i could make Him realise i meant "let's get blind, stinking drunk". (Cyber drinking.)

Another time a UK guy said "well, bye, i'm going out for a fag" and i went bugshit cuz i think that's a hate word, and it took the UK people a moment to figure out what i was carrying on about.

When we use slang, we run the risk of not communicating with the international audience we address. On the other hand, i love trying to figure out what the Aussies like IronBear are up to when They speak in slang; Aussie slang seems to be a cut above American. They use fewer curse words thhan we do, it seems.

Posting serves two purposes: i get to put my opinion where others will see it (that feeds my ego) and i get to communicate an idea or ask a question (that satisfies my need to know more). Speaking in slang doesn't especially advance these goals but sometimes it's fun anyway.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 4:56:34 AM   
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But I am curious, in the interest of furthering a meaningful discussion, what is it that confuses you? I'd be more than happy to have a discourse about the subject.

Anopheles


i'd happily discuss this were it not for ModTen's warning to leave off discussing racism, Sir.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 2:28:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

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But I am curious, in the interest of furthering a meaningful discussion, what is it that confuses you? I'd be more than happy to have a discourse about the subject.

Anopheles


i'd happily discuss this were it not for ModTen's warning to leave off discussing racism, Sir.

pinkpleasures


On the contrary, it's the personal attacks that ModTen is warning about. I think that this could be a fine discussion without any of the "he said, she said" business.

--Anopheles.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 2:31:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nodding,let's stick to the topic and leave personalities out of it. And learn where one begins,and the other ends.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/27/2005 12:10:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Racism is a lack of understanding and tolerance. It is a sad thing. While I do not believe all people are totally equal, I believe we all have different but equal gifts.
After all, no way will I ever run in a marathon. But I do have other skill that are useful;-)
I live in a city where the “China Town” is two blocks long and 5 blocks wide. We have a level of racial integration that freaks out a lot of people. And we don’t even think about it.
I know when I went to Montreal last summer and actually saw how there were parts of the city divided by ethnics, I just sat there shocked. I had never seen anything like it in real life.
I know that there is no way I can understand what it must be like to be discriminated because of my skin. Well other then having too much of it LoL
To me, I love meeting people of different background, cultures and races. It sure would be a damn boring world if everyone was too similar. Hell a world of people like me would creep me out….
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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/27/2005 5:11:21 AM   
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From what I have gathered from the lifestyle that this is one of tolerence and understanding........what I do see is a majority of persons not being tolerant of exciting approaches to the lifestyle, take for instance the option of playing with others or living a poly life...I see many persons that places limits upon a Dominant, then these Dominants automatically give into these limits which I can understand on one hand and the other I cant........most seem to skate around the possibility that these limits are meant to be overcome....if this is truly about tolerance and understanding then how can you limit a relationship into the narrow tunnel that some are looking through? maybe there are more out there that can lend me an explanation

Master Six


Actually -

The entire "tolerance" thing is originally intended to be about other people's kinks. (pot...kettle...black, etc.)

Not about other people's lives, silliness, or foibles.

Besides which - this is one of those generic 'one size fits all' statements that are often made and that people toss about whenever someone disagrees with them about something very basic in order to censure the "offender" from further comment.

I do not agree that we are tolerant of other people when we (simply) agree with their thoughts (as some of the other posters have stated)... That is rather a cynical view of human interaction.

For myself (anyway), it is more along the lines of tolerating other people's opinions when they are (at the least) respectful and thoughtful of others... when they do not insult and when they do not offer the ultimate insult of stating that (the writer's) opinion is the only one that is valid and/or negate other opinions out of hand in a 'dismissive voice'.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/31/2005 3:37:11 PM   
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A sub/slave knows whats she is getting before she begs for the collar....and that when the collar is placed....she should just shut up and do!...But again...my opinion alone :P

Belladonna


i find this mystifying. i want one collar, for the rest of my life...so i feel that needs/wants/desires will change over this long time period..as well as health issues which may be either temporary or permanent..so no..i cannot say i know what to expect and would "shut up"; but i can say i would seek to forge a bond that was unbreakable and change could not break. i think blind obedience is a rather idealist view, mainly held by young people, and is not possible in the real world, but probably fun for the couple to use asa "kink" at least as much as possible.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/31/2005 3:47:35 PM   
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just wondering if you have some sort of personal venditta against the subject matter.........isnt the first time ive seen this approach either

Sir Six


In my case? i was cheated on by my ex, who deserted me while i was seriously ill and pregnant. i have since been cheated on by weak men ("i need my space = i'm f**king around on you). It takes STRENGTH and VALUES to make a monogamous commitment, and that is what i seek. i have NO opinion on what anyone else should do, unless asked. i have men friends who are poly; sadistic, and so on; i respect Them and feel fortunate to be amoung Their friends, and it works because we have MUTUAL RESPECT.

pinkpleasures

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