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PavlovTrainer -> Slave Contract (10/23/2005 4:24:23 PM)
I've been asked to write a slave contract. I've never written one before. I'd appreciate any feedback on them that you might have to offer. Pavlov

OsideGirl -> RE: Slave Contract (10/23/2005 4:34:14 PM)
I think the contract is a place to lay out what is acceptable within the relationship. Negotiation happens before the contract. Things that are good to address: 1) Unprotected sex, STDs and STD testing and pregnancy 2) Monogamous or non-monogamous relationships (including poly) 3) Terminating the relationship 4) Hard limits and safety procedures (if you use them) 5) What the Dominant promises and what the submissive promises. ie: If the Dominant says that he will not involve himself in the career path of the submissive. 6) How finances will be handled if Dom and sub are living together 7) Drug and alcohol use I'm sure there are more, but that what comes to me quickly.

fyreredsub -> RE: Slave Contract (10/23/2005 4:34:17 PM)
try this for ideas http://www.io.com/~ambrosia/dating/contract02.html (not sure how to do the 'try this' i see on some posts where you can just click it and it takes you there) quote: ORIGINAL: PavlovTrainer I've been asked to write a slave contract. I've never written one before. I'd appreciate any feedback on them that you might have to offer. Pavlov

sweetpettjenny -> RE: Slave Contract (10/23/2005 5:25:49 PM)
Interesting subject ive never had a contract, i have had a slaves creed , that i read daily that i wrote to enhance myself in serving , and when i felt upset or non service orientated, i read what my oath to myself and owner was to me...snapped me back into place.

MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: Slave Contract (10/23/2005 7:35:26 PM)
If you contact us we have a copy of one we found on the net but dont know where we found it or if you just type slave contract into google you will get an idea

MasterTonyS -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 6:58:31 AM)
I happen to have a very detailed and rather soecific that a former submissive of Mine sent to Me from one Master who had her under consideration. It goes into great detail over not only her conduct and the manner of dress she would be required to wear, but also details specific things she would be required to do, like purchase jewelry and motivational pornography to diplay in her house as a reminder of her true nature. if you wish I can send you a copy of it. It can be quite a read, and it can give you an idea of how much control a contract can limit or grant you.

krikket -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 7:13:21 AM)
I would think a contract should be simple, at least in the beginning, perhaps covering some of OsideGirl wrote. my reasoning is that i have memory problems (caused by some meds i have to take), and i'd be afraid i wouldn't remember something complicated. If that happened, i'd not only be, rightly, in trouble, but would feel horrible too. If it's between 2 people who have already been together long enough to already have some rituals in place, perhaps those could be included, as well as a clause that allows for review and changes at certain agreed to times. i also think that a contract should not only cover expectations (and or responsibilities) that you have of your sub, but those she may have of you, as well. Good luck.. jimini

DarkDreamers4u -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 7:20:13 AM)
W/we established a contract for O/our M/s relationship that clearly sets out the limits and guidelines for both parties. There are as many styles of contracts as there are relationships, some are very formal and detailed others more basic. It all depends on the context in which it is created. In her post Bobbi identified the main areas that need to be covered. A contract is especially useful in a 24/7 live-in situation and/or if there are others living in the home. I researched various styles of contracts before creating my own, using elements that I liked in those I had read. Opting for a detailed contract is more work but is very beneficial as it helps guide the sub in moments of uncertainty, denial and stubbornness. It is important that the contract not be imposed on the sub but rather emerges from the sub’s desire to deepen and formalize their bond of submission to their Master/Mistress. A contract must be FREELY negotiated over several weeks or even months. It not only allows for serious reflection but makes Y/you both face the reality of what it is Y/you seek to live together as this is a shared journey so be honest of needs, fears, desires and expectations. There is no place for fantasy or ego. Be absolutely realistic in your negotiations. Don’t judge or be critical or pushy if your sub shows reticence on an issue that is important to you or vise versa. Listen, listen, listen to each other for this is the perfect time to deepen the trust that has already been established between Y/you. It really helps to create some kind of ritual when signing as it gives it a sacred element, this bonding between M/s is sacred and beautiful. This document is the foundation on which Y/your future relationship rests. Respect it, cherish it, honor it and in doing so you will respect, cherish and honor yourselves and lifestyle Y/you have chosen to embrace. The following categories make up O/our contract. Understand that a contract of this nature is NOT legally binding and will NOT stand up in a court of law. So let this document be held in confidence and destroyed after termination. This contract is provided as a secure and binding agreement which defines in specific terms the relationship and interaction between __________, hereafter termed ‘name’ or ‘slave’ and ___________, hereafter termed ‘Master’. This agreement is entered voluntarily, and cannot be broken except under the conditions stated herein, after which certain precautions shall be taken to protect those involved, see section 9.0. The duration of this contract is for the period of _______ beginning on this day, _________________ and ending at midnight on ____________________. Slave's Role Slave's Veto Possessions and Material Goods Master's Role Punishment Rules of Punishment Permanent Harm (physical, psychological, emotional, spiritual) Communication Privacy Other People Master’s Marks and Symbols of Ownership Alteration of Contract Termination of Contract Slave's Vow Slave's Signature Master's Vow Master's Signature Witnesses’ Signature A more detailed version of these categories is available upon request. Dreaming Darkly Mr. M

DarkDreamers4u -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 7:37:25 AM)
Thank you Master Tony S your post reminded me that I forgot to mention The Code of Conduct that I added as an attachment to the contract but only as a more detailed guideline of everyday behavior. This can be a formal part of this contract or simply a daily guide, it’s your choice. Here are the categories used in this Code of Conduct Addressing & Greeting Master & Others Communication Slave Postures Safewords & Signals Body & Grooming Clothing Money and work Sexuality Punishment Caring for Master Eating Protocol Social Life Slave’s Rights Questions a slave must ask when making choices. It is left to your imagination. Dreaming Darkly Mr. M

Kinkypupper -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 11:23:32 AM)
Many "contracts" are just meanlingless unforceable pieces of paper. In fact they can also be used as evidence AGAINST you in a court of law. A contract maybe a good idea tho to use as a guide to lay out the requirements of a relationship. If you are talking a Master/slave one then its simple. The slave is giving you themselves their, body, mind and heart there should be no limits on that as if there are then by my definition its not a M/s relationship but a contractual Dom/sub one. A google search on "slave contracts" will bring a huge amount of ones up. Most are written in a totally fantasy world by many who have no clue about such reality. To write in a contract for example that"THEY" will remain chained at all times is not only humerous but also REALLY bad on any floors and doors. Phil (Master to lilpony)

domtimothy46176 -> RE: Slave Contract (10/24/2005 6:06:34 PM)
For me and my girl, the only real contract we have is our spoken acknowledgement of our commitment to our arrangement. The details of our agreement are fluidic and change according to the demands of the moment but the commitment is unwavering. I do find it useful to maintain a list of areas where she declines to cede her authority to me. Beyond that list of specific prohibitions, she's owned and obeys my will. We feel this is appropriate to our situation as master and slave. Timothy

Archer -> RE: Slave Contract (10/25/2005 6:41:13 AM)
There are many formats of contracts out there I find the most usefull format to be those that contain statements of goals as wel as statements of obligations of both parties. In reality I find that negotiating the contract is where their value sits, as opposed to the finished document. The thought that occures while formatting and determining what goes in and what does not, forces you to really think about what kind of relationship you are giving consent to. I advocate that just like any other contract it works best when both parties are involved in the negotiation of the terms of the contracts. Just my own view In Leather Archer

Quivver -> RE: Slave Contract (10/25/2005 8:36:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer There are many formats of contracts out there I find the most usefull format to be those that contain statements of goals as wel as statements of obligations of both parties. In reality I find that negotiating the contract is where their value sits, as opposed to the finished document. The thought that occures while formatting and determining what goes in and what does not, forces you to really think about what kind of relationship you are giving consent to. I advocate that just like any other contract it works best when both parties are involved in the negotiation of the terms of the contracts. Just my own view In Leather Archer Thank You Archer! As one that identifies as a Submissive its refreshing to see someone notice this is not a one sided coin. I had always felt that Contracts and Negotiations were best left for formal play or public scenes, and the few I had been offered through my search for One never gave my thoughts much consideration, they were always limited to only my obligations. But people being people we tend to always put our best foot forward with intent to do better on our foibles, which may or may not be addressed if the right questions fail to be asked, causing a deal breaker where no deal’s been made. In the business world contracts are renegotiated, some broken for what ever reason. How would you approach renegotiation, or the altering of a contract? I say this mostly for those who are new, those that are taking this out of the context of reality, thinking that what is written is written in stone. Q

Archer -> RE: Slave Contract (10/25/2005 1:53:14 PM)
I know people who renegotiate their contracts annually, and others who do so when they remember that they have one at all, and still others who have after years together determined that it's time to burn the contract and go TPE. The possible ways to incorporate renegotiations are limitless, I know at work we issue change orders which seems like a way to format things that may work. Elegant and my contract is so out of date and behind where our relationship sits it's not even funny but since I recently contracted a boi into an apprenticship I'll likely go back and rework our contract again as well. Contracts can be reworked whenever they are no longer serving the relationship well of course it would be smart for either or both parties to include language that sets a renegotiation in motion, at such a time. With the new boi the contract has a begining and end, there will be a time when the contract has been fulfilled and then it will end. I kinda like the idea that some use of contracting for a 3 month introduction, a 6 month probation, and one year at a time for a couple more years before making it perminent contract. I know that covers alot of ground you didn't ask for but this was more important than just what I do. In Leather Archer

fastlane -> RE: Slave Contract (10/25/2005 4:45:57 PM)
I had a contract out on my ex-wife...but he missed!

blazingpornstar -> RE: Slave Contract (10/26/2005 8:52:02 AM)
www.castlerelm.com i believe that is where Master found ours and then we just adjusted it

Padriag -> RE: Slave Contract (10/26/2005 9:25:35 AM)
I've never used contracts very much so I may not have the best advice on this. But on the few occasions when I gave it a try I sat down and thought about the kind of relationship I wanted to create, what goals I wanted to set for the relationship, what boundaries, what expectations I have of the slave and used the contract to outline those. I tried cover what I expect from the slave, what the slave could expect from me, and under what terms the contract was voided or could be voided. Or you could just ask Taggard, IIRC he loves this stuff.

ragdoll -> RE: Slave Contract (10/26/2005 1:47:51 PM)
...slave contracts are somethin' i have been curious about too. 'cause like Kinkypupper said.. i always thought slave contracts weren't "legally enforceable" (at least in the USA)... so are slave contracts mostly meant to be a symbolic thing...? ...like meant to set out guidelines like Archer said?

Archer -> RE: Slave Contract (10/26/2005 8:49:10 PM)
They are held together strictly by the personal honor of those who sign them, the paper itself is otherwise worthless, no court will enforce them. So beyond the word of the people involved their value lies only in that they spell out the agreement in specific terms with less room for misunderstanding than just talking about it it solidifies what the terms are instead of relying on memory of who said what when. They force you to deal with the realities of what you are committing to, they give you time to consider what the potential options are, what the potential pitfalls you face are, and what each person expects from the other. beyond that they are worthless, LOL In Leather Archer

OsideGirl -> RE: Slave Contract (10/26/2005 9:07:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ragdoll ...slave contracts are somethin' i have been curious about too. 'cause like Kinkypupper said.. i always thought slave contracts weren't "legally enforceable" (at least in the USA)... so are slave contracts mostly meant to be a symbolic thing...? ...like meant to set out guidelines like Archer said? That's pretty much it. A contract is a promise. A contract is a set of guidelines. A contract is a set of goals. It's something that the courts won't suppport and relies on the honor of the people involved. Which sometimes is more telling than anything else.

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