How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ?

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steviemichael -> How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/25/2008 11:38:23 PM)
The question inplys one should do a background check ask persmission for medcial records having acess to personal data brith cert and even a passport etc. do you think that is unreasonable ? Since you would also would be prepared to allow the person concern access.

BitaTruble -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/25/2008 11:45:07 PM)
Yes, I do think that's unreasonable and is no substitute for actually taking the time to get to know someone. The information in birth certificates and passports can lead to identity theft. Some medical records, though, especially if you are going to engage in fluid exchange may be a good idea as long as you are aware they are still not a guarentee that someone is disease (STD, HIV, Hep C etc.) free. Sounds like someone who wants to take short cuts rather than put in the time and energy to actually get to know a person rather than life-support for kink. Celeste

Maya2001 -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 1:02:53 AM)
Let's say a person has a manic depression ..but has never seeked medical treatment for or has never been checked for STD's...how will medical record going to be of use to you... even in Ontario I do not have access to all my medical records , I can have them transfered from one doctor to another but I cannot request a gain a complete copy of the file for myself, I can have access only to certain parts of and in some cases have to go thru a third party such as an insurer ...for example compensation claims

MasterFireMaam -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 1:14:15 AM)
To ask for this upfront is asking too much. There's no way in hell I'm giving my SSN and full medical records to someone I've known for a few months. However, I have no problems sharing the results of my last STD panel with them right from the start. By the time I'm ready to accept someone's petition, I expect to be able to ask for these things. However, by the time I'm ready to accept a petition, I should know the person well enough that I don't need to. My girl and I are each other's beneficiaries, executors and medical power of attorney. We did this after she'd been collared for a year or so. Master Fire

ResidentSadist -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 1:18:50 AM)
Other than someone who is obviously batshit nuts, it takes time to find out. As far as initial contact, if you are swapping fluids you both should be able to present current STD test results. As far as identity theft goes, if you are talking casual encounters, I don’t know if I would give out my SS # but I sure as hell would be checking ID to the same degree a manager at a professional escort service does. Name, publicly listed phone number and address all line up with the driver’s license they show you.

Owner4SexSlave -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 1:38:00 AM)
Steviemichael, Hate to break the news to you! You could run such checks and come up with nothing, only to still feel a bite in the ass. There are people out there with untreated Bi-Polar disorders, people that are crazier than bat shit, that have never seen a therapist. Alcholics that have never spent 3 seconds inside an AA meeting. If something did show up on a record, I would tend to think more positive of the person. because it means that issue was at least somewhat or fully faced. I think there should be no shame in somebody getting help and/or treatment. This is way better compared to somebody, who is still living in a comfortable world of denial, or has a lack of self realization that they have a serious problem. I think important health issues do need to be out on the open. It would be a rude bitch slap in the face, to find out a year later that your partner has HIV, that they kept that information from you. I'm going to say it again on this thread! FEAR FEAR FEAR!.... One can do all the background checks in the world, still does guarantee too much. It might make somebody a little less Fearful though. I think this is a matter that is up to the people involved at that time. If you want to run a background check, do it! If you are open to sharing with somebody else what's in your medical records, sign the consent forms for it. If it helps build trust between two people, why not? Many people have different Fears of things. In fact, many people screen for things that they are fearful of in getting to know another person. Some people are just a little more extreme and others are a little more relaxed in their screening processes. Who the hell is anybody to tell anybody they are right or wrong in the screening processes they use? If two people understand the reasoning behind background checks and both are willing to do it. Why not? You show me your medical records and I show you mine. You show me yours and I'll show you mine! LOL..

Prinsexx -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 2:07:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steviemichael The question inplys one should do a background check ask persmission for medcial records having acess to personal data brith cert and even a passport etc. do you think that is unreasonable ? Since you would also would be prepared to allow the person concern access. This question really disturbs me. We have excellent lagislation in place to guard against discrimination in terms of ethnicity, gender and religion. We have excellent legislation (I speak for here where I know best: in the UK) allowing access to those with learning differences (note my language) and physical disability. That is to say we are supposed to be as facilitative in our attitudes as we are in our physical maintainance of access via ramps stair lifts and so forth. AND YET WE STILL CANNOT EDUCATE AGAINST IN BUILT PREJUDICE. Yes caps lock because I am shouting. I am of the anti-psychiatry movement. I, for one, celebrate divesirty in my life and my attitude to others. God forbid the day when we reduce others to a diagnostic screening and a label that follows them around has a hardoutcome paper trail for the rest of their lives. Try asking your original question please of anyone who has tried swiftly to cross the gender barrier both in terms of orientation and emplyment or housing. If we as members of the bdsm community cannot celebrate diversity without falling back on recursive thinking and defensive conformity then it is a sad world. All a test shows is that the person turned up for the test. Sorry: the rsponsibility for discrimination lays with you my friend.

stella41b -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 2:22:05 AM)
I hate to be the one asking this question, but if you're that suspicious of other people and strangers, why are you bothering to try and get to know someone new? I'm sorry, this just doesn't add up to me. I don't see the logic.

chamberqueen -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 2:25:21 AM)
Google them. : ) I always Google both prospective Doms and subs. If they tell you to go ahead and do it then it is a good sign that they have nothing to hide.

MstrVik -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 3:05:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steviemichael The question inplys one should do a background check ask persmission for medcial records having acess to personal data brith cert and even a passport etc. do you think that is unreasonable ? Since you would also would be prepared to allow the person concern access. Are you actually serious about this??? As I understand it, you are ready to provide this information and wondering if you can expect it from someone else? - It sounds way way over the top for me. Yeah, maybe if you're planning to get married or something along those lines, though having reached that point you should know the person well enough anyway. A discrete basic background check is always wise, though other than that it's about *communication; sitting down and talking together, asking questions and answering questions, having a real conversation* (doesn't people do that anymore??), looking into the other persons eyes, getting a sense of who they are. There is no substitute for that. Trust is something that grows slowly and gradually between people, and there are no shortcuts for that either.

Focus50 -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 3:08:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steviemichael The question inplys one should do a background check ask persmission for medcial records having acess to personal data brith cert and even a passport etc. do you think that is unreasonable ? Since you would also would be prepared to allow the person concern access. Sounds about perfect for stealing someone's identity! You've absolutely gotta be kidding, right? If you really wanna know someone, arrange a r/l meet and go from there.... Focus.

pinkwind -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 3:20:16 AM)
How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? The same way that you use to prove to them that you are of sound mind and in good health. It works both ways, no?

steviemichael -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 3:46:10 AM)
stealing ? Sir one does not ask doe consent/persmission to steal anothers ID! has my oringnal post stated it was of mutal /consentual one would ask for permission (since one cannot lawfully obtain unless permission of that persons data ) Has for the medical data I live in the UK which I have the RIGHT to have copies and acess of all my Medical history under the freedom of information act 2000. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000036_en_1

lronitulstahp -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:11:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steviemichael stealing ? Sir one does not ask doe consent/persmission to steal anothers ID! has my oringnal post stated it was of mutal /consentual one would ask for permission (since one cannot lawfully obtain unless permission of that persons data ) Has for the medical data I live in the UK which I have the RIGHT to have copies and acess of all my Medical history under the freedom of information act 2000. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000036_en_1 Sound mind....in my experience men just LOVE crazy, insecure, bitches with several maladjusted behaviors.(they seem to prefer them over me all the time, anyway[8\|]...TMI) Why would you go and risk messing that up for yourself? Looking for a mentally stable sane, girl...are you really a man? methinks me spots a female troll!!!![;)]

steviemichael -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:12:01 AM)
differnt cultures and differnt countrys have differnt rules concerning personal data so there could be a problem where another person providing the data. but yes like another post of this thread said perfectly < you show me yours i'll show your mine

SummerWind -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:13:15 AM)
or.....you could talk to them....and trust your natural instincts......

Prinsexx -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:18:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: steviemichael stealing ? Sir one does not ask doe consent/persmission to steal anothers ID! has my oringnal post stated it was of mutal /consentual one would ask for permission (since one cannot lawfully obtain unless permission of that persons data ) Has for the medical data I live in the UK which I have the RIGHT to have copies and acess of all my Medical history under the freedom of information act 2000. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000036_en_1 Sound mind....in my experience men just LOVE crazy, insecure, bitches with several maladjusted behaviors.(they seem to prefer them over me all the time, anyway[8\|] Yes I have to agree. [:D] Ed to add: being 'normal' never got the jobs done.

steviemichael -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:20:12 AM)
Sir isint it also that in the 21th centuary of the internet (such has this medium) communcationand therfore despite its inperfection as like our human condtion can also lie or if not lie then most of what is stated is subjective.

mistessA -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:35:31 AM)
These days I am very hesitant to play with anyone. I met a sub, and did question him as to his general health, and any important need to know things before play commensed. He lied to me, he never told me he was an insulin dependent diabetic. He said he didn't think it was important!!! Anyone that knows anything about how the body processes pain and arousal knows how fast even a healthy sub can bottom out, much less one with health issues!!! Now I am a bit gun shy. Luckily I always have glucose paste and dark chocolate in my toy bag.

pinkwind -> RE: How do you find out?if a person is of sound mind and in good health ? (5/26/2008 4:43:49 AM)
Have you ever been asked to prove you weren't a nutter or a serial rapist, an alcoholic or an illegaal alien, that you had all your own organs and that you weren't a carrier of rabies or something equally catching? How did you, or could you, prove such things? Isn't that what gut instinct, openness and trust are all about?

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