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DomAviator -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:56:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

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all thats needed to call yourself a "tatoo artist" is a $300 starter set from eBay and the ability to trace flash.


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if you want to do it at home to your family...cause your friends certainly wouldnt want one from you.  and you'd be using the same needle so that means std's.  and 300 wont buy you cleaning supplies and chances are you'd be smoking and or drinking while doing it.

ya its that easy.... what about custom work...its not easy drawing something from someone who comes in and tells you i want this, and that, and this...without any kind of picture.  all my work has personal custom edit's that was talked with my artist about.

not to mention you must have steady hands...AND MANY ARTISTS DO FREE HAND ONLY. 

what you are describing is not a tattoo artist.  it is a bloke.



Faery, yes there are Ami James and Kat Von D's out there, however there are also plenty of shops filled with self taught hacks who will fling anything on the wall onto your skin for $50. In the US tatooing is not a highly regulated industry. For example here in Texas:

>>paste
§ 146.023.  REGISTRATION APPLICATION.  To receive a
tattooist or body piercer registration, the person must submit:
(1)  a signed registration application to the
department on a form prescribed by the department;
(2)  the application fee;  and
(3)  proof of completion of a training course approved
by the department for tattooists and body piercers that includes
not less than six hours related to bloodborne pathogens, infection
control, and aseptic technique.

Added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1226, § 8, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
>>end paste

Ok so in Texas if you buy this for $219.99 with free shipping :

http://cgi.ebay.com/TATTOO-KIT-2-MACHINES-GUNS-NEEDLES-INK-TUBES-GLOVES-TIP_W0QQitemZ190224567717QQihZ009QQcategoryZ33917QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(which you will see includes 50 disposable needles)

some flash to trace, take a SIX HOUR course in infection control, and mail the state the fee which is something like $25 You can open a tattoo shop and start hacking away om anyone who walks in the door! Some states dont require even that much.... 

Again, my point was tattoo artists do tats - not permanent make up. There is a difference between correcting a skin pigmentation problem and writing "Airborne Eat Their Young" under a set of jump wings...  If she does it she should have it done by the right kind of professional not by someone with little or no training.



LadyRainfire -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:59:49 AM)

[:-]  *makes permanent note to never get a tattoo in Texas!*

That's downright scary, DA.....



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 11:05:22 AM)

will refrain from responding to that last post.  



DomAviator -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 11:07:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire

[:-]  *makes permanent note to never get a tattoo in Texas!*

That's downright scary, DA.....


LadyRain, this is even more scary - I just looked up Idaho for you and they have NOTHING. Not even the six hour course. All that Idaho has is:

"House Bill 1281
03/19/04    Governor signed
Session Law Chapter 127
Effective: 07/01/04

STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
RS 13825

This legislation provides that parental consent is required for tattooing, branding and body piercing of any person under the age of eighteen (18) years.  No tattooing, branding or body piercing may occur on any person under the age of fourteen (14) years.  Piercing of the ear lobes and piercing for medical purposes are exempted from this legislation.  Penalty for violation is an enhanced misdemeanor with additional penalty for subsequent violation within one year. "

So if you want to be a "tattoo artist" in Idaho, but the kit in the ebay link above and youre good to go. You dont even need to mail the $25 or take the six hour course. LOL Something to think about huh?



christine1 -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 11:12:45 AM)

i'm with LRF....i'm so fair, there is hardly a difference in the color of my skin and aureolas...i've never thought about it, but i know how you feel OP, i do have one thing about myself that i feel almost deformed about and would love to change.   i hope the henna works for you or you can find an alternative that makes you more comfortable.



LadyRainfire -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 11:27:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire

[:-]  *makes permanent note to never get a tattoo in Texas!*

That's downright scary, DA.....


LadyRain, this is even more scary - I just looked up Idaho for you and they have NOTHING. Not even the six hour course. All that Idaho has is:

"House Bill 1281
03/19/04    Governor signed
Session Law Chapter 127
Effective: 07/01/04

STATEMENT OF PURPOSE
RS 13825

This legislation provides that parental consent is required for tattooing, branding and body piercing of any person under the age of eighteen (18) years.  No tattooing, branding or body piercing may occur on any person under the age of fourteen (14) years.  Piercing of the ear lobes and piercing for medical purposes are exempted from this legislation.  Penalty for violation is an enhanced misdemeanor with additional penalty for subsequent violation within one year. "

So if you want to be a "tattoo artist" in Idaho, but the kit in the ebay link above and youre good to go. You dont even need to mail the $25 or take the six hour course. LOL Something to think about huh?


*sighs*

I am so not surprised. There is a local man who has a shop in my little town and you couldn't pay me to have him touch me. I had my tats done in California. Whether they're so good or it's the design, most people don't even realize they're real. But the man did an incredible job. I know there are some good places over in Boise but I'm too picky about who's touching my skin. It took me 20 years to decide to get the ones I have..... [:)]



BitaTruble -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 11:51:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chyanna

Right i need peoples help with this one and yes its a serious question.  i suffer with vitiligo which kills the skin pimentation and leaves me all patchy like a cow really it has taken all the colour from my areola's. i am very self conscious about it when infront of Master.. would having them tattooed back on be good idea or can someone think of something different

please help
Chyanna



Vitiligio runs in our family so I understand exactly what you are going through but, it's still just the paint on your shell, Chyanna. What wraps you up and surrounds you to prevent the insides from falling out doesn't define you or lessen you in any way .. unless you allow it. Hell, you can have fun with it if that's your desire. My brothers vitiligio covers about 80% of him now and playing connect the dots with his spots was always a favored passtime. [:D] I mean, you can tattoo if you desire, but, it's not the white spots which are the problem you know.. it's how you're allowing something superficial to effect you when, in the long run, the paint on the shell doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with what that shell is holding.

My white patches are mostly on my legs, but if it were my nipples which were effected, I'd probably go with some really dramatic make-up.. blue or magenta eye shadows and stuff that I could really have fun with .. make my uniqueness a positive instead of a negative. Ooo.. or, I'd paint them up to look like eyeballs. That'd be a hoot! Make them all bloodshot and stuff.. freak out the D-type. ::giggles:: You know, most of us have some kind of physical imperfection .. with yours, it's not so bad and I could seriously have so much fun with it .. and you could to .. if you decide to do so.

Celeste




bipolarber -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 12:09:54 PM)

If all you are wanting is to set off your areolas, perhaps you can try henna painting first? That way it stians your skin, and you can try out a few different shades, get some feedback from your owner, and decide if the tattoo course of action is really needed.

Frankly, I really don't see the need. I've played with women who have had your type of skin pigmentation before, and at least one who had no coloration to her nipples either, (literally, she could have been a Barbie doll) and I've actually found it rather interesting.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 4:32:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
the paint on the shell doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with what that shell is holding.


True, Bita, but the paint on the shell can tell the world something about the insides if you want it to do so and allow it to.  I'm heavily tatttooed now days, and in the process of sleeving out on one side - all custom work, designed by myself with the help of the various artists that have done the actual inkslinging, all themed, and all of them with very personal meaning.  To know the art - it's meaning and symbology to me - is to know ME in a very real sense, and such will be even more the case once I've finally finished getting all the ink done that's currently planned.
 
All that, of course, is beside the point to both the OP and your post.
 
Body image - especially warped body image - can have profound effect on us either for the positive or the negative, regardless of gender or age.  It can lead to chronic depression, which has it's own host of attendant problems.  It can severely affect both self esteem and our ability to cope with the larger world outside of us.  For me, it was going to highschool as a curvy size 7 in a world of size 0s who called me "hippo hips" and "thunder thighs" because I actually had a Feminine figure when they looked like teenage male concentration camp survivors - I grew up with a rather distorted image of what was "thin" vs "healthy" vs "fat" - and I still have problems at times with my perception of the three.  I still combat the lasting effects psychologically as well, despite 25 years of experience since then, a lot more practical knowledge gained in both psychology and life in general, and changing perceptions/tastes within the rest of the world.  (Thank the gods that Twiggy went out of style for the most part!)
 
Saying "don't let it affect you" is all well and good - and a positive attitude is usually helpful through life - but on the practical side, being told not to let it affect you when it obviously already Has affected things isn't easy to accomplish.



chyanna -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 5:53:50 PM)

ty all so much, yes the henna route does sound a good idea as for being loved i know Master does, He tells me every

day.   It  is just me that dont like myself ive lost 6stone to help with my self esteem.  I have been abused alot of my

childhood by mybrother right up till i was 17. Then i stuffed my face to be less desirable then diagnosed with an aggressive

form of ms  AND then came then came the vitiligo........i guess i just wanted to feel secure with my body but now due

to all tht advice ur right in Masters eyes im beautiful. that all that matters. i have to learn to not being so insecure.



popeye1250 -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 9:45:28 PM)

I could never understand tatooing.
Some people have "Harley Davidson" tattooed on them.
They say if you don't get it you don't understand or something like that.
I like Coca Cola but I wouldn't have "Coca Cola" tattooed onto my body.
If you don't understand that you just don't get it!



Emperor1956 -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:00:50 PM)

To the OP:   The risks of tattooing the area are pretty severe, as vitiligo is an autoimmune disease, and the introduction of tat ink -- much of which is pretty nasty stuff (as is all chemical pigmentation) is a bit of Russian roulette.  Have you looked into repigmentation of the skin areas?   There have been some pretty dramatic results with UV treatments coupled with corticosteroids.  There's also research into peperdine, a drug derived from black pepper. 

The fact that you asked about tattooing makes me wonder if you've seen a competent dermatologist who has explained exactly what your condition entails -- you should be focusing on prevention, and not a "cure".  You are quite fair skinned (so your pictures say).  Do you know the importance of nearly complete sun-blocking in the spring and summer?   Even the famously dank climate of Great Britain allows too much UV rays on your very sensitive skin.   You might also contact a support group of fellow vitiligo sufferers who may have developed better coping strategies.  Good luck.

E.



FangsNfeet -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:01:14 PM)

A consultation with a dermintologist and the consideration of using Hennah for body art would not be a bad idea.

As far as tattoos go, just remember that one is too many and two are not enough.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:03:55 PM)

I don't get it either Popeye.  My little brother just got his whole back tattooed with a big dragon.  He came over and showed it to me a couple of weeks ago.  I guess he thought I'd be impressed.  The only thing I said was, "Why the fuck did you do that?  You're 31 years old for fuck's sake."  I've noticed I'm starting to sound like my dad lately.  But I didn't see the point.  There are so many things I'd rather do with that much money than getting poked with needles all day. 

I really don't get it.  Everyone I know in my age range or younger have the damn things now.  I really am a rarity now a days, because I don't have one and have no desire to get one.  I've seen the way tattoos look when people get older.  They look like shit.  I just don't see the point.  If you want to be an individual, than don't get a tattoo.



DomAviator -> RE: tattoo or not? (5/26/2008 10:55:37 PM)

You know what I love the best. The college chicks who get the fucking asian charectors tattooed on them. I mean for all they know those charectors could mean "Beef Lo Mein" but they get it anyway. Its like DUH! I swear to god I am tempted to buy a tattoo set and to get some asian person to draw me the charectors for "Dumb Cunt Who Doesnt Speak Chineese" and I will make a fortune trampstamping every bubbleheaded college girl in Houston with it LOL  

Speaking of TrampStamps (what we call those tats on the lower back here in Houston) my exgirlfriend Brittney actually got one that said "BrittneyLee" ... I was doing her doggy style once and was thinking "well this is convenient, at least I can't forget her name!" (I literally busted out laughing during sex, try explaining that one!) I mean who the hell gets tattooed with their own name? It reminds me of sombody writing their name in their underpants before summer camp... "Hi, My name is BrittneyLee If I am Lost Return me to ......" LOL  



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