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January -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/23/2004 7:40:33 PM)

iwill,

I consider myself a nerd. I am a scientist, among other things.

Nerd or geek? I think it's an age thing. I'm old enough to be a nerd. Yup. I'm also a trekkie rather than a trekker. In the olden days of the original show, there was no such thing as a trekker. I do not know Klingon either, you p'tak.

Anyway, I have never been a geek. And never will be. Even so, I do take issue with Voltare's signature: <geek>Voltare</geek>. Geekiness is not something you can begin or end at will, like an HTML tag. (I hope you know I am teasing you, Voltare.)

January

P.S. If GulDukat is reading this, get off your behind and post. I've got some questions for you regarding Cardassians and such, and don't want to appear to be stalking you!



LadyBeckett -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/23/2004 7:58:24 PM)


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I actually have the word "technology" in my graduate studies program title


I don't even have the word in my vocabulary! However, I have read "The Dragonriders Of Pern" by Anne MacCaffery (sp?), I used to watch Flash Gordon, and have beat every Zelda made so far. (except the last one) Because I have children! They outgrew Nintendo (before the last one came out), got married and moved away. *sigh*

I believe I may achieve "geeky" when I figure out what the "blue" screen means. If I don't "hammer" my monitor before then. [;)]



Sinergy -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 12:25:45 AM)

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Captain of the chess team.


I used to embarass our chess team at my high school because I consistently beat all of them and refused to join their stupid club.

Then I discovered Go and found chess to be mindless and boring.

Then I was asked to play chess at work and continued to beat all but one person down there, who nobody else could beat, and I only infrequently beat him. I decided playing him that chess could actually be fun. Plus, I enjoyed playing against him because he had grace and style and the game was enjoyable for all playing. He said that same about me.

Still think Go is far more of a mental challenge, but thats just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy



iwillserveu -> Off topic replies (7/24/2004 4:03:35 AM)

Off topic replies:

sfgrrl,

(Is the SF science fiction or surfing?) I am going by a lexicon that explained why I was not cool enough to even aspire to geek or nerdom. [:)]

January,

I am a reformed dork. Q'plah! (I think that is how you spell it.) Even among Star Trek fans I'm the odd ball because my favorite show was (ready to be shocked?) Voyager. (I’m avoid emoticons when posting to you, so you can decide if I’m serious about Voyager.)

Sinergy,

I found my chess skill transferred to all board games with one exception. (Yes a good checker player still would take me to task, but someone who has not dedicated his life to the game has no chance.)

The one exception was go. (Actually igo is what I learned.) It was not even remotely like chess in terms of the initiative, and maximizing mobility of non moving stones is not an issue.[:)]



stef -> RE: Off topic replies (7/24/2004 7:16:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu
sfgrrl,

(Is the SF science fiction or surfing?) I am going by a lexicon that explained why I was not cool enough to even aspire to geek or nerdom. [:)]


Neither. It's San Francisco :)



MzBerlin -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 7:25:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyBeckett


quote:

I actually have the word "technology" in my graduate studies program title


I don't even have the word in my vocabulary! However, I have read "The Dragonriders Of Pern" by Anne MacCaffery (sp?), I used to watch Flash Gordon, and have beat every Zelda made so far. (except the last one) Because I have children! They outgrew Nintendo (before the last one came out), got married and moved away. *sigh*

I believe I may achieve "geeky" when I figure out what the "blue" screen means. If I don't "hammer" my monitor before then. [;)]



LBeckett-
I own (well, my mom has it, but it's mine) an autographed copy of "The Dragonriders of Pern"
As for my own 'geekiness' - I am an X-Phile, a LOTR junkie, a Douglas Adams worshiper, enjoy math theory (but not math) and believe that Kurt Vonnegut is actually God.
But there ya go-
Berlin

PS- I also own The Sims and all of the expansion packs. It's a secret. Don't tell anyone.



Sinergy -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 9:33:28 AM)

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The one exception was go. (Actually igo is what I learned.) It was not even remotely like chess in terms of the initiative, and maximizing mobility of non moving stones is not an issue.


I dont want to give the impression that Go is similar to chess.

Chess is a game of hinging around mathematics. If I sacrifice my knight to capture
the queen, I will lose X and gain Y and if I move my pawns in a certain way it sets up
a mathematical equation which can be used to do blah. I have read that it is the mathematical mind or logical mind which excels at chess. The one who will win in chess is the one better able to work out the complex mathematical interactions.

Go is about power relationships in space. I play a stone on a 19x19 board and he sits there all by himself until the end of the game. He will influence a power relationship on the rest of the board by his position. How well he is placed determines the amount of the board which he will exert control over. This will start to pan out later in the game when his power interacts with the power of other pieces. I have read that the logical mind will do well at Go until a certain point, but then that person will stagnate at the game because it may not be able to make the intuitive leap away from using logic to using intuition and perception and sensing the underlying relationships. The mind which really excels at Go is more of an aesthetic or artistic mind because this is the one which can postulate power relationships into the future.

Which may all be a bunch of hooie, however I have found that learning Go (and I was a few levels away from being able to compete professionally) has given me a profound insight into power relationships in other areas of life. Everything interacts with everything else in some greater or lesser manner, and the one who can work with their preceptions of these power relationships and build them into the future is the one who will succeed in Go.

I could go on and on about the similarties between what makes a player good at Go or life in general, but I will leave that for another topic.

Just me, could be wrong, but there ya go.

Sinergy



Sinergy -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 9:35:23 AM)

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Kurt Vonnegut is actually God.


*swoons*

Kurt Vonnegut IS God. *glares Dominantly around the room*

Sinergy

My best to He Who Must Not Be Named if you would be so kind, Berlin.



LadyShoshin -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 9:40:05 AM)

As far as being a geek, I am computer savy, but not by any means a geek. I rarely discuss computers when out in company. Freak, definately, it wasn't until I found the BDSM lifestyle that I fit in, I was always considered weird.



MizSuz -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 9:47:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SherriA

I was a regular at asb and ssbb, and I've never considered myself to be a geek.



Girrrrl,

You can format a hard drive, install any program you want, build a website, have rudimentary (at least) skills with building and using databases, can find and clean a virus, and generate a key for something when you want to.

You're a geek.



melycious -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 9:51:45 AM)

~giggles....

thinks of all the things i consider sherri...

yep.. geek might be the nicest one

melythenewlychristenedsickfuck



MzBerlin -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/24/2004 11:43:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

Kurt Vonnegut is actually God.


*swoons*

Kurt Vonnegut IS God. *glares Dominantly around the room*

Sinergy

My best to He Who Must Not Be Named if you would be so kind, Berlin.


*looks around room, too*
HA!!

Sin-
but of course. Voldemort is very busy today, but I'll be sure to tell him hello for you.
As Always-
berlin



basiasubrosa -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/25/2004 1:59:45 AM)

Berlin and Sinergy- O, a veritable plague on both your houses! I was _just_ about to add a V quote to my signature line, but now you've gone and made it too faddy.... Shucks, well i'm going to quote anyways.

Another geeky/nerdy detour: Yay, Go! I agree, very different from chess.
Ramble: There were legends of how a general played go while he had surgery performed on him, because they didn't have any anesthesia in camp. It used to be mandatory education in days of yore.... I almost wish it still was, because i'm a rather poor player who desperately need practice, and it is hard to find people to play with, on both sides of the Pacific.... <pout>

Eh, should someone establish a geek/nerd thread in Off Topic Discussions?



ThornBlood -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/25/2004 12:21:37 PM)

*Laughs* and anybody who doesn't believe Vonnegut is God can go take a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut...


Just Grins and wonders where baking cookies for someone fits in,
John



Sinergy -> RE: Freaks & Geeks (7/25/2004 3:06:33 PM)

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I almost wish it still was, because i'm a rather poor player who desperately need practice, and it is hard to find people to play with, on both sides of the Pacific.... <pout>


Hello,

There is an aspect to go that really requires a quiet room, a cup of tea, some soft music, and enjoying the soft click of stones as they are played. It truly is a game almost transcendent in it's beauty and simplicity.

The expert level players I used to play with down in Long Beach (who wiped up the floor with me) would make up formations and say "where do you play to kill that?" and I am still trying to figure them out. But Go nights at their houses were almost meditative.

Having said that, you can find Go players on games.yahoo.com. The majority of them have never played in the same room with actual humans, and tend to play very solid and covet their tiny formations while I end up with 90% of the board at the end of the game. They also tend to message reams of completely horrible advice trying to sound like they know what they are doing.

I dont say anything.

There was a Go server in Korea (Go.nuri.net) back in the day, but I have not been there in years. The players there were better than those on Yahoo.

The best advice to learning Go is to play 100 games before you start to think about where to play stones. From what I have been told (and believe), you cannot arrive at success playing Go by rational thought.

On the other hand, the beauty of Go is that two people of dissimilar levels can play a challenging game using Go's handicap methodology.

I would love to play some Go. Look me up on yahoo messenger (tesuj1) and we can work out a good time.

Sinergy



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