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Psychological domination - 5/27/2008 6:06:18 PM   
gordie452000


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Status: offline 		What is meant by the term "psychological domination"? What does it consist of? Is it something that requires the sub to be willing? Or can psycological domination be accomplished without their knowing? Is it time dependent?

Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
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RE: Psychological domination - 5/27/2008 6:29:01 PM   
Saffleur


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Status: offline 		Any relationship vanilla or other has some form of psychological pretense to it. As far as domination goes, it's a necessity for the relationship between Master and slave to thrive.

If she does not believe she is being dominated then it's simply not going to work. The best thing about training a slave is that you can teach them by headfakes. What I mean by this is that they will learn something and then later realize you were teaching more than just one thing. The look on a girls face when she realizes that is priceless. To have her come before you admitting it is divine.

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/27/2008 6:55:13 PM   
kinkypuppy2


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Status: offline 		Head games.

Using things like conditioning and rewards to change a persons behaviour

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/27/2008 7:46:02 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		It's almost redundant really as all domination is internalized.

But when someone is being specific, they generally mean the mental/emotional/spiritual/relationship aspects vs the physical kinky aspects.

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/27/2008 8:58:08 PM   
Padriag


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ORIGINAL: gordie452000

What is meant by the term "psychological domination"?

Would depend a great deal on who you ask.  It could variously refer to many things, for example...
  • Mental or emotional domination in contrast to physical domination (probably the most basic meaning) and/or,
  • Domination through psychological (i.e. headgames, mindfucks) methods and/or
  • Behavior modification in a BDSM context and/or probably others I'm too tired to think of.


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What does it consist of?

Depends on which definition you use.

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Is it something that requires the sub to be willing?

If you want it to be consensual it does.  If it isn't it raises questions of ethics.

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Or can psycological domination be accomplished without their knowing?

Some things could be, certainly some forms of behavior modification could be structured so subltely that they would not realize what was happening... of course that'd require a fairly broad and insightful knowledge of behavioral psychology...

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Is it time dependent?

Behavior modification would be.  Mindfucks and headtrips can be, or not.  Again, depends on precisely what you're trying to do.

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Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

You're welcome... just don't ask me how to subtlely structure a program of behavior modification to turn your wife from a shrew into a willing sex slave.  Because a) I'm a behaviorist, not a miracle worker! and b) I'd feel obliged to shoot you.

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/28/2008 9:35:30 PM   
sunkstar


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Status: offline 		it usually works when you feel you are dominated by someone. head games. can be very exciting and effective when used right. usually require the dom knows their subs well so he knows which button to push.


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RE: Psychological domination - 5/31/2008 6:46:53 PM   
OneEvilBastard


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quote:

What is meant by the term "psychological domination"? What does it consist of?


Taking the term apart, it literally just means domination via the psyche as opposed to say physical domination.

You can dominate (compel to obey) via physical restraint (bondage), physical force (being stronger than tem), physical threats (holding a gun to their head) or by climbing inside their mind and altering their cognitive patterns so their instinct is to follow your will.

Specific definitions vary but you get the idea.

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Is it something that requires the sub to be willing? Or can psycological domination be accomplished without their knowing?


It happens all day, every day: A parent who tells a child how disappointed they are is doing it. A spouse who sighs pointedly and turns away whenever they don't get what they want is doing it. A boss who reminds employees what an uncertain job market there is right now and how they should really work hard to keep their current job is doing it.

So, yes, it's something that can be accomplished without awareness or consent. We generally call those people "assholes" however.

The whole point of consensual D/s is that we do things people consent to. So, for it to have meaning within our community, it requires the awareness and consent of whoever's being trained and those who just try to force their will on to others continue to be regarded as assholes.

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Is it time dependent?


If you know what you're doing, have someone who's open to it and you can identify the right handles, you can twist someone pretty thoroughly to your will in a matter of minutes. Of course, that'll likely fade out fairly quickly too.

If you really want to fundamentally alter a personality, you need to get in to the lymbic system. That takes time to reinforce, usually takes many small acts to change unless you want to end up doing a ton of harm around the area you're aiming for, and requires a hell of a lot of skill.

As for the skill thing: Why do you think most people see shrinks for years? If the shrinks could reprogram the lymbic system easily, they'd be doing it. Sure, patients would leave after a session or two but their reputation would ensure a constant new stream. Even with PhDs and all the rest of it, it's still damn hard to actually get exactly the response you're after. Most people either fail at it totally or kind of get what they want in the area they aim for along with a million side effects they may simply not notice or overlook.

Minds are tricky things.

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/31/2008 7:42:27 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		Psychological stuff, in my opinion, really only works if you allow it to. You always how the power unless you choose to give it up. It depends at what point that "give it up" comes around.

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RE: Psychological domination - 5/31/2008 9:23:34 PM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		I have to sidetrack this thread for a moment to tell you, OneEvilBastard, that your avatar is going to make me have frigging nightmares. Clowns!!!!!!! Eeeeeeeeeek!

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/1/2008 3:28:04 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Psychological Domination = Mind Fucking..

Not something I do in BDSM or especially play although I oft need to hold myself back, but it is something I am good at and acknowledged as good at in business and dealing with opposition.

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/1/2008 5:29:57 AM   
hejira92


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Status: offline 		When I was first learning about BDSM, I found this website about B.E.S.T. training for slaves. I read it and recognized many of the techniques my master at the time was using on me for training. I found the site to be well reserched and cited in terms of the psychological basis of slave training.

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/3/2008 7:28:33 PM   
laura2161


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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I have to sidetrack this thread for a moment to tell you, OneEvilBastard, that your avatar is going to make me have frigging nightmares. Clowns!!!!!!! Eeeeeeeeeek!


I was just browsing this thread and thought the same freaking thing when I saw it. AArrggghh. I 'hate' clowns.

(sorry for the slight hijack)


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RE: Psychological domination - 6/3/2008 10:21:52 PM   
pinksugarsub


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Status: offline 		Well i guess one never knows, and i am inclined to take Iron Bear at His word, but frankly i dun think i'd ever feel real domination unless there was some combination of psychological and physical going on.  That's one reason i can't get into 'online domination'.
 
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RE: Psychological domination - 6/3/2008 10:22:40 PM   
TheInstrument


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

Psychological stuff, in my opinion, really only works if you allow it to. You always how the power unless you choose to give it up. It depends at what point that "give it up" comes around.

Master Fire




That's true but how often do such things "seep in?" How often does the give-it-up point come without the giver-upper realizing they've slowly been worked over?

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/3/2008 10:43:23 PM   
mzbehavin


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ORIGINAL: OneEvilBastard
It happens all day, every day: A parent who tells a child how disappointed they are is doing it. A spouse who sighs pointedly and turns away whenever they don't get what they want is doing it. A boss who reminds employees what an uncertain job market there is right now and how they should really work hard to keep their current job is doing it.

So, yes, it's something that can be accomplished without awareness or consent. We generally call those people "assholes" however.

The whole point of consensual D/s is that we do things people consent to. So, for it to have meaning within our community, it requires the awareness and consent of whoever's being trained and those who just try to force their will on to others continue to be regarded as assholes.
If you know what you're doing, have someone who's open to it and you can identify the right handles, you can twist someone pretty thoroughly to your will in a matter of minutes. Of course, that'll likely fade out fairly quickly too.

Minds are tricky things.


That is priceless. smiles* Applauds~
However i agree with the others, you win the scariest avatar award. shiver*

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/3/2008 10:47:05 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		Ya know, I've never really understood this term, really. Unless they're talking about mind fucks, interrogation and "truth or dare" type things.

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RE: Psychological domination - 6/4/2008 10:27:14 AM   
SirKaton


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Status: offline 		For me, "psychological domination" is about being able to get into the submissives head much without them knowing that such a thing has even occurred.  It isn't about playing mind games or taking advantage of that submssive as much as it is about knowing and understanding them beyond purely sexual responses. 

It means being able to understand not only what they are thinking, but knowing how and why they do what they do without them telling you.  And it really isn't rocket science.  Taking the time and being patient is a big key to it.  So is open and active communication, ESPECIALLY listening and paying attention to both what is said AND the many things that are NOT said.

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