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Have you noticed? - 5/28/2008 7:02:15 PM

Steponme73

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It is Thursday night and I have nothing to do, so I was browsing through the profiles. I ran across about 8 or 9 where the young lady who posted was at the oldest in her early 20's and some as young as 19, claiming to be Professionals.
I guess my quandry is two fold...First, do they have enough real life experiences to be Professionals and second would anyone go to them?
The ladies here all seem to me very savy and knowledgable and I guess my other question would be did you know at that age what you wanted out of life? Did you have strong dominant tendancies to the point where you wanted to own a slave?
I am sure that all of you have been dominant all your life....but that dominant? Just a question...

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/28/2008 7:31:52 PM

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i guess i really shouldn't be talking with you until we can correct this time vortex problem, because for me it's Wednesday night,

but i think the term pro for the most part is used by some to indicate that they do what they do for money.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/28/2008 7:34:58 PM

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i'm gonna ask some dumb follow up questions not intended to be snarky. How long did you spend examining these profiles? They got your attention in one way or another. Did any of them have enough appeal to you to make you think about offering tribute or worship? and how long were you in the lifestyle before you thought you knew enough to be appealing, or to feel open enough to wonder about the value of skill levels?
   i have to assume that they are getting some attention, otherwise there would not be the numbers would dwindle. i also assume that some of them are testing the waters. i will admit that some of the older male subs seem to find some appeal and fascination with younger women (tends to happen in the vanilla world too), and on a wild guess, some younger women have been pretty effective at keeping daddy and his cronies wrapped around their little fingers.
      Shear speculation for a wednesday night on my part. i will say, to each his own. i tend to prefer a lady who has more life experience, and are looking more for a relationship, but i could be kind of wierd that way.
       in answer to your question, though, i have noticed the trend.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/28/2008 8:21:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Steponme73

It is Thursday night and I have nothing to do, so I was browsing through the profiles. I ran across about 8 or 9 where the young lady who posted was at the oldest in her early 20's and some as young as 19, claiming to be Professionals.
I guess my quandry is two fold...First, do they have enough real life experiences to be Professionals and second would anyone go to them?
The ladies here all seem to me very savy and knowledgable and I guess my other question would be did you know at that age what you wanted out of life? Did you have strong dominant tendancies to the point where you wanted to own a slave?
I am sure that all of you have been dominant all your life....but that dominant? Just a question...

I knew my tendencies and was very active long before I was 18. But that has little to do with what you found.

Not all who are dominant wish to own a slave, and that's not what pro's are offering anyways so that desire is unrelated to whether someone in their twenties is dominant or interested in topping.

Many younger women who become interested sign up to work for dungeons where they are trained in methods of topping as they would any job... and for some it's a personal life interest, others it's just an interesting job for a while. Some decide to try it on the fly, some have already had years of experience. It varies per person.

Additionally, many who go to pros aren't looking for topping that requires any great ability, sometimes it's purely about being caged up for an hour or told how small their penis is or worshipping her feet... and then there are still more who really just want the experience of being in the presence of their dream domme who is young, pretty and in fetish gear.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/28/2008 8:52:06 PM

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I know a few professional dungeon houses in NY that have professional domme's in their low twenties one with a 19 year old switch who is a quite good dominant. Age is just a number it doesn't mean experience. Heck that professional could of been trained by an older more experience domme and now is seeing 2-3 clients in a day. That could be one thing on how she is a professional.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 2:39:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Steponme73

It is Thursday night and I have nothing to do, so I was browsing through the profiles. I ran across about 8 or 9 where the young lady who posted was at the oldest in her early 20's and some as young as 19, claiming to be Professionals.
I guess my quandry is two fold...First, do they have enough real life experiences to be Professionals and second would anyone go to them?
The ladies here all seem to me very savy and knowledgable and I guess my other question would be did you know at that age what you wanted out of life? Did you have strong dominant tendancies to the point where you wanted to own a slave?
I am sure that all of you have been dominant all your life....but that dominant? Just a question...

first seperate Experience and Training! then consider that when combined with someone who is a smart and intuitive person who has some common sense and add a pinch of "empathy" and you can get a person who can learn how to run some very intense and successful scenes in a very short amount of time.

now when it comes to straight out experience: a busy Pro can be seeing 2-3 clients a days 5-6 days a week (lets take an nice round 15hours a week) that is more scene experience then most "lifestylers" get in a month. plus the fact that you are getting experience with many different subs, learning what works for a multitude of different people...

so yeah there are some who can be quite young and still be very competent dommes. there can also be a ton who are just faking it till they make it.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 5:17:08 AM

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Yes, people will go to them, precisely for their age.

Many people confuse Topping for Dominance. I don't think they have enough life experience to be in the Dominant role and be good at it at that age. I do think that it's possible that they have decent Topping skills, just like there's people at that age who are good at sex.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 7:52:35 AM

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I will be honest and say I am just now accepting this part of myself. I always thought I was only submissive, but as time as moved on I realize that is not the full truth of the matter. I decided to look back at my life and over my past relationships. I noticed a trend I hadn't seen before, I was dominant in all of them. I didn't see it at the time, it wasn't an act, it was just a natural part of my personality. I knew that I was more dominant in my professional life, but I really had no idea I was in my personal one. Although now I am in a D/s dynamic with my husband, I find this whole other person exists. Perhaps she is born out of circumstances in my life both past and present, I have no idea.

I know that I don't want a stable of men or women, just one that is devoted and that I connect with is enough. I don't have anything against Pro's, but I do admit I question a 19yr old saying they have years of experience. I have noticed to so many it's just a game to use men, I suppose I just don't understand the concept.

I had one that I have been talking to write and offer what he could do for me today. I told him he could come and mow my lawn, he said he would be happy to tomorrow. I wrote back and told him I was a sadist, but even I wouldn't have him drive that far at four bucks a gallon. There is use of someone and using someone, I just wish everyone knew the difference.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 8:25:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Steponme73

First, do they have enough real life experiences to be Professionals and second would anyone go to them?
The ladies here all seem to me very savy and knowledgable and I guess my other question would be did you know at that age what you wanted out of life? Did you have strong dominant tendancies to the point where you wanted to own a slave?
I am sure that all of you have been dominant all your life....but that dominant? Just a question...

Ummm...real life experience. Experience on this topic doesn't take having kids or owning a house. So "real life experience"...ummm...if they picked up a flogger at the same age that I picked up a flogger...then yeah I got some people beat by light years. And remember you're talking about Professional Topping. A skill set that is particular to this lifestyle. And frankly...it doesn't take that long to learn a skill set.

To answer your second question...why not go for the younger woman? Vanilla guys do it all the time. often...not always...they're younger...theire parts are often more appealing, and they fit into smaller sizes of fetish clothes...I'm sure for the married men who see these women they're quite happy that it's not their wife dressed up. They fit the "conventional" version of pretty at lot easier than most older women...(Ladies don't take offense you all know my preference isn't for breakable or my own age.)

I'm 22. I'm well adjusted for the shit I've been through. I know what I want in life, and for the most part have all that I want in life. Call me a head of the game here but why not give them the benefit of the doubt and say they figured out who they are as well and what they want and they're going after it.

BTw dominance isn't something that just grows. For some it smacks them in the face and that's as Dominant as they will ever be. For some they have to try their shoes on first. For others there are stages of growth.

Stop being ageist damnit.

Often I find people who make these types of statements apply their own groth to other people's situations. Which just doesn't work. so I'll say as I have said before...just because it took you until your midlife crisis to figure out who you are and how to make yourself happy doesn't mean that some of us aren't enlightended at an earlier place in our own lives.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 8:33:55 AM

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Call me a head of the game here

You are. That's why I have the straight-guy-to-lesbo version of a nonsexual mancrush on you. What's the word for that? A boicrush? No, that's the name of what you were doing last night.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/29/2008 10:57:25 AM

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Open enrollment for the fan club is on the 15th of each month :)

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/30/2008 6:56:55 AM

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Well Dragon, I think i got the Vortex problem figured out and corrected...It was just a time warp thing in my living room.
I had never given much thought to someone being trained to be a dominant. I guess it could be like any other 9-5 job. You go in do your work, get paid, go home. I guess my bad assumption of people are in this scene for pure personal enjoyment is a little off. I can see where a young woman who has been training for several months could be quite adapt at being a Domme.
As you have probably guessed by now, I have never been to a Pro and more than likely will never go. That for me would not be exciting. In my opinion, that would be to satisfy my needs, not the needs of someone who wanted it.
atursvcMaam: to answer your questions, I was just cruising through the profiles with pictures. I did not spend any time on any one profile, maybe 15 secs, unless I read something that peaked my interest. No, I would not go to a Pro and offer a tribute. In my mind that is all about me and not about the one I am serving. I have been on the edge of the the D/s scene for many, many years. My interest is in pleasing a woman as a submissive. Again in my minds eye, paying to have some woman dominate me is not my cup of tea. I want to do it for the excitement I receive from watching her enjoy my submission.

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RE: Have you noticed? - 5/30/2008 2:24:40 PM

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i would suggest to Steponme to do the same process a little later in the week, closer to the weekend that he may feel a little more relaxed from the midweek work stress.. Cheers folks..

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RE: Have you noticed? - 6/2/2008 5:29:12 PM

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If you make your requirement that someone has X number of years experience before you'll hire them, then someone with less than X years of experience will not be of interest to you, regardless of their actual level of professionalism. This applies as much to professional dominatrix as it does to a painter.

Some people simply ARE better painters than other. Maybe it's genetic, maybe its fate, etc. It's entirely possible for a 19 year old to pick up a paintbrush and paint better than someone who's been doing it 30 years. Is it common? No. Possible though.

The truth is that arbitrarily making decisions is going to lead to bad decisions. Instead consider age as one of multiple factors. Age doesn't neccesarily even equal experience -- someone could turn 65 and decide that day to be a professional dominatrix. Instead ask for reference, read about her interests and expectations and see if they mesh with yours.

The last thing I'll say is that a younger, sexy girl can probably make a TON of money doing this, so you're always going to have a certain percentage just raking in the money for incomes sake alone.

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