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MrRodgers -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/2/2008 4:44:09 PM)
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
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First of all, Lincoln did serve in combat versus the indians. Not exactly sure when, under or whom or against whom he fought...but he did and then went home.
Actually no he didn't. He served as a Captain in the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War, but he never saw combat.
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Lincoln SAVED the republic from those who would attack it and reduce our country down to either have the north and national government surrender or sue for peace under a nation with slavery spreading out as one if its paramount social values.
Lincoln did NOT ruin the economy of the south. The economy of the south suffered when the planter's son could no longer STEAL the labor of 3 to 4 million people as they and their ancestors had for about 200 years. Do you or any miscreants here understand or have any concept at all of how much money and overall wealth that is ?
How did he save it? He suspended Habeus Corpus during the war. He refused to allow the southern states to succeed as is the right of a state under the Constitution. He did ruin the economy of the South. He allowed Union troops to conduct a scorched earth campaign and wage war against civilians. He allowed Northern indistrialists and buisnessmen to exploit Southernors. If you think the South are the only ones that benefited from slave labor, than you haven't read much about the time period. Where do you think all that cotton went? It went to textile mills in the north or overseas to Europe.
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As for the Kennedy boys...they contributed a whole lot more than most all the sloth we see in celebration and politics today.
It's easy to sacrifice when you've never had to work a day in your life.
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The two oldest Kennedy sons Joseph and John (Jack) VOLUNTEERED for WWII. Joseph died a hero trying out a bomber that was a bomb in itself. He and the crew were to parachute out BEFORE the plane was to fly on to its target unpiloted. (reduce crew casualities) The plane blew up before planned. He was awarded a medal posthumously.
15 million Americans served during the Second World War. A lot of people volunteered, including George Bush I, Ronald Reagan, and Bob Dole. The Kennedys aren't special.
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Ted Kennedy has submitted over 2500 bills to congress with over 600 passing into national law. That is a record that may never be broken...NEVER.
Yeah, it's easy to do that when you've never had a real job. He also allowed a woman to drown to death, and helped cover up a rape by his nephew.
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The Kennedys have always been champions of the poor devout Catholics, love this country and proved it and yes, there may never be another family like that one...in a long time.
Champions of the poor, huh? None of them ever had to work, EVER. The Kennedys don't help the poor, they make them government dependents. As for them being devout Catholics...Why the hell would I care if that were true? If they are such devout Catholics, they wouldn't support legalized abortion.
See what happens when you bring emotion to a debate ? You revise history to save your hate.
*Lincoln DID see combat and thought he'd seem enough and resigned the Illinois militia.
*I don't give flying fuck about habeus corpus...the south took up arms against the north...just who would deserve to as Lincoln said himself...hide behind it.
* The south had NO economy without the slaves and the north was what...obligated to buy that cotton. Even Europe cut off importing their cotton. The south ruined their own economy when they chose war. Once a party starts war...fuck them.
*Please point out chapter and verse all of the 'consitituional' terms for succeeding from the union ? There are none. The south thought they had a right to yet no one ever took succession to the federal courts...they would have lost their case. They had no case. 9 states voted internally to succeed before Lincoln was even inaugurated. Texans unconstitutioally (Texas constitution) threw Sam Houston out of office (telling them they would lose) so they could then succeed. The whole consitutional argument about the civil war against Lincoln and the north is bogus as hell.
*Lincoln himself and his policies likewise allowed no such industrial policy or exploitation...recall he was shot to death. Andrew Johnson was almost impeached for wanting to pursue Lincoln's reconstruction policy. Instead, in the great southern tradition of the time...we got Jim Crow. Who exploited who ? Taking the fruits of the labor of 3-4 million people for 200 years...which was almost the entire southern economy.
*Being wealthy and not doing anything for anybody seems to be the norm for most of the American aristocracy...at least the Kennedys did something (of course gave millions to charity) and out of the people you have listed, Reagan never left the country and while Bob Dole did serve...his wounds were self inflicted. None of them could carry Joe's or John's briefcase if still alive both of which were war heroes. It's obvious you never served.
*Please point out another rich family that didn't have to work a day in their lives and produced two war heroes. Add the Rockefellers for instance to the Romneys and the Bushes for that matter with the partial exception of Bush I being shot down in the Pacific.
As for ALL those volunteers...I too had earlier family members join up in WWII, so what ?? Bush I (for whom I have almost as much respect) did no more than a few of my families old friends and fathers of some old friends did in WWII. The older Kennedy brothers did a whole lot more.
Your whole beef with the Kennedys seems to be that they were rich and famous. You should have a beef with most of those who are, yet most of them...haven't done a damn thing and nothing close to the Kennedys.
Once and for all, Ted Kennedy did not help cover-up a rape that wasn't. Once the defendant testified that she participated, the jury could not possibly convict.
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