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Termyn8or -> Smoking (6/1/2008 11:34:30 PM)
I really do wonder who the first brainiac was to pick up a leaf and burn it to inhale the fumes. If I quit smoking, I won't drink as much, and I have done some math. I spend over sixty dollars a week on cigarettes and another at least seventy five in other things. Beer is over seventy dollars a week. Maybe I don't drink it all, but I buy it. If you add those figures up that is more than some people make. This is ridiculous. I know smoking is not good for me, but I don't think it is as bad as they say. People have been doing it for too long and I just don't buy it, but I will not say it is good for you. I am sure it isn't. Health issues aside, the money is getting to be significant. The price of smoke(s) has gone through the roof and I am to the point where I am thinking I could do something else with that money. What's more I lost a fifty dollar lighter today. But that doesn't mean shit because I spend over ten grand a year on cigarettes and intoxicants. In my mind the scales are tipping, and if any of you know what a Schmitt trigger is, my mind has that feature. In electronics the Schmitt trigger tends to stay in the same state, a physicist would define it as hysteresis. If I make the big decision, all three are out. If I am to quit smoking I am quitting smoking period. And that means no more beer because I can't envision drinking a beer without smoking. I knew someone who did quit smoking but not drinking and my jaw was pretty much on the floor. Thing is, the result would be me living a clean life. I know how to eat and I have no problems that require medication of any kind. I could really have the clean life. But that is not it. I only live on this Earth once, and if I can't have what I want I might as well be dead or in jail. But the money is getting to the point where it is a very significant cost. Ten grand a year, that's more than most people's house taxes, hell it's more than some total mortgage payments ! I could get two Hummers with that money. This truly is ridiculous. I guess I like to leave myself wide open here, I can already visualize vultures circling. But facts are facts, that is a ridiculous amount of money to spend, it just took until now for me to care. Like I said I don't care about the health aspect, me and the medical community do not agree. But money is a bit more tangible. I could cut down on everything, ration myself but I think that would become a tease. The only way is cold turkey. That really is the only way. Anyone who tells you they have a cure for an addiction is lying. My help would be having good water, not tap water, nuts, probably Planter's mixed nuts. Some cheese and green pepper in the fridge. Things like that. Good food, possibly some tea made out of the good water, if sweeetened at at all, with honey. Yes, a support system in a way. See the thing is that even if I make the decision to try, that is not beating the addiction. Beating the addiction is not when you CAN say no, it is when you WANT TO say no. I CAN say no at any time. What I want is to WANT TO say no. I do have a few attributes going for me. I was at a party and some coke was offered up, I declined. The jaws were all over the floor. But that's not the point, the point is that it did not bother me a bit watching them do it. Hell no I didn't leave, there was no reason to. They loved me, there was more for them. If I decide to quit everything I should not have a problem with others doing it. Because once this scale tips folks, I will do it, and it is getting close. I know it will be hard at first, but later I might feel like a twenty year old again. And that is something else for me to consider. Just some thoughts on a lazy Sunday night. T

popeye1250 -> RE: Smoking (6/1/2008 11:38:41 PM)
Term, ciggarrettes are $23.00 a carton here in S. Carolina. Rent a big truck and make some money.

lilmissdefiant -> RE: Smoking (6/1/2008 11:46:23 PM)
I've tried to quit smoking but i cant do it.

DomAviator -> RE: Smoking (6/1/2008 11:47:30 PM)
I pay $30.75 a carton for Camel Filters at the shop I buy them in on NASA Road 1... Same place I get my Jerimiah Weed for $12 a bottle. See ya just need a cheaper source....

Termyn8or -> RE: Smoking (6/1/2008 11:57:04 PM)
Hmmmmm. T

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 12:32:03 AM)
Quitting smoking was easy for me.

lilmissdefiant -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 12:37:00 AM)
please do tell us your secret Hippie

Aneirin -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 1:43:00 AM)
Maybe interesting to you or not, I recently took up smoking a sheesha with apple flavoured, 'tobacco', it is a quite different experience to smoking cigarettes and have come to realise that it is the luxury and relaxation of the act of smoking that is the hit for me, not the nicotine aspects as I had thought. As a result, my normal day to day nicotine based smoking has been cut down massively, not so much by choice, but I just don't feel the need to rush with smoking. More so, the thing just burns away more than is smoked. Sheesha, is smoked with an arabic type tobacco, which is moist and laced with honey or molasses. The fire source does not actually come into contact with the tobacco, but incinerates it on demand. The smoke, is cooled and I suppose filtered through water. The tobacco, can be tobacco as in nicotine based, but there are also herbal mixes available and many flavoured herbals, these herbal types can be found increasingly outside cafe's, coffee shops and bars in many European cities. Also, as these herbal types are not nicotine based, one wonders if they should be included in the smoking ban. Other names for sheesha include, hookah, nargile, hubbly bubbly etc.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 1:44:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant please do tell us your secret Hippie Understand that this is how I did it; it may not work for anyone else. I got to the point where I was not willing to continue being a smoker. That was more important than any of my strategies, IMO. Once I decided that I wanted to become smoke-free, I got a script for bupropion, which I started whilst on vacation in Mexico (3 days of insomniac mania is a whole other story). After 3 weeks, I began switching brands (non-menthol) and started gradually tapering. I went to a hypnotist, and learned a substitute habit. Also had reinforcement tapes from him which helped reinforce the hypnosis. Continued tapering. Had second hypnosis session. Tapered down to 10, then 8, then 6, then 4, then 2 for a couple days. Saturday, January 22, I had my last two cigs. Sunday the 23rd I woke up and said "this is the day" and I haven't had one since. The key for me was using multiple strategies, all reinforcing each other. Oh yeah, used some of the gum, too.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 4:02:41 AM)
I think smoking is more of a health risk today then 50 years ago is because of all of the crap they most likely spray on the tobacco plants. Not only are you getting the smoke, but you get the lovely added bonus of pesticides. I've never been a smoker of cigarettes. I will smoke a cigar occasionally (about once a month) and some other herbage a few times a week.

christine1 -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 5:02:56 AM)
i've never smoked, but when i lived in vegas, 3 of those years i was a heavy drinker. i probably spent 70 bucks a week on booze. i drank every single day. it wasn't money for me, it was that i felt like shit all the time and making it through a 14 hour work day almost killed me. i looked up home remedies for quitting alcohol and they said green grapes and apples. i figured what the hell, so i ate a lot of them, i have no idea if they helped or not. it was mostly my determination to stop doing it that helped me the most, living my life as a slave to booze was no fun at all. when i wanted a drink, i'd do something else i enjoyed like going for a walk or to the pool. the money i saved i put towards a new outfit at the end of each month (i know, OP that probably wouldn't be motivation for you rofl.) i didn't drink for 2 years, now i have a drink on the weekends or special occasions and mostly stick to red wine

Bethnai -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 9:57:40 AM)
My smoking saves lives, mostly all of the people around me, and keeps me from going to jail. I made the mistake of going to pick somebody up and deliberately leaving my smokes at home. There are hideously bad drivers out there and normally I will talk to them in a very low voice. "You planning on turning with that signal, Sugar?" I almost came unglued. I had a womam jump out in front of me and make a left turn without a signal. I was screaming, "You dumb mf twit, you get that license from a gd Cracker Jack box?" I think its best that I try to quit at another time.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:07:22 AM)
I pay about $33.00 for a carton of Winstons, and I smoke about a pack a day. I have never really seriously tried to quit. I think my record for going without a smoke is 2 days. Truthfully, I don't really want to quit. I know it's bad for me, and it is expensive. But I don't want to be a prick for 2 weeks, and I don't want to gain 20 or 30 lbs. I think what irritates me the most is how many times a day I get asked, "So, when are you going to quit smoking?" I don't know why people are so insistent in getting in the business of others. I told this girl I was dating once that I'd quit and take up chewing tobacco. LOL, I never heard another word about smoking again.

sirsholly -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:13:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou But I don't want to be a prick for 2 weeks can't have that, now can we? What worked for me and enabled me to be my normal sunshiny self ahem was a replacement.....Commit Lozenges (what i used), or an inhaler. I tried the patch but it raised holy heck with my blood pressure.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:26:12 AM)
smoking is completely pointless. it does nothing for you. you dont get high from it either. its just a total complete waste of $$$$ and is unhealthy for you and anyone around you or any pet around you. atleast drinking...you can get drunk and forget your worries of the day. but again do that to excess and it isnt healthy for you or anyone around you. no it wont affect your pets unless you kick them or something.. if you drink socially...and never drink at home. that is the best scenario. since it costs a fortune to drink away from home chances are you wont do it often. unless your an alcoholic. i have never seen any point to smoking and never will see any point to it. it makes your clothes smell, it makes you smell, it makes anyone around you smell and it makes the house smell. its just gross. its your choice if you want to do it. i am not going to stop you from doing it. just wish people had more common sense about these kinds of things that you dont need to do. you would also save a ton of money. just think for every month you smoke you could buy 1, 2, or even 3 video games for your ps3, computer, or whatever your using!!! thats more productive and more fun! you could spend it on props for a bdsm scene! you could buy your slave a nice leather collar or leather outfit! you could pay the rent!!!! buy a weeks worth of food!!!! etc etc.

angelikaJ -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:45:10 AM)
I find it interesting that while you will often offer insight into people's addiction processes that you seem determined to be a enslaved to your addiction to nicotine. I am not judging you for that...I just find it interesting. I have no emotional investment with you...so I don't care if you smoke or not. But for someone that I did have an emotional investment with I would encourage them to quit... and I can't be around it (asthma). Faery... I love the anti-smoking labels they but on cigarettes in Canada...pointing out that impotence is a possible side effect..great graphics on that one. I think people don't realise what a toll smoking takes on the entire human body...it ages the skin and does nasty things to circulation... nicotine is a poison. " Anti-smoking advocates highlight the long-term health effects, like cancer and emphysema, that result from a lifetime of smoking or chewing tobacco -- but these maladies are the result of chemicals in cigarettes other than nicotine. Unfortunately, the fact that nicotine alone is an extremely toxic poison often goes unmentioned. Not many people realize that nicotine is also sold commercially in the form of a pesticide! And every year, many children go to the emergency room after eating cigarettes or cigarette butts. Sixty milligrams of nicotine (about the amount in three or four cigarettes if all of the nicotine were absorbed) will kill an adult, but consuming only one cigarette's worth of nicotine is enough to make a toddler severely ill!" http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine.htm

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:49:38 AM)
dont forget what it does to your fingers and to your teeth.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:52:21 AM)
quote: faerytattood: smoking is completely pointless. it does nothing for you. you dont get high from it either. its just a total complete waste of $$$$ and is unhealthy for you and anyone around you or any pet around you. You are completely wrong. In fact, nicotine is an amazing drug. It improves concentration. It improves short term memory. Depending on the delivery concentrations, it can calm the CNS, or it can stimulate it. The amazing thing about smoking is how it is perfectly adapted to the human physiology. Take for example, the ability of the body to self-regulate the nicotine uptake. Envision the classic stressed smoker -- puffing fast, shallow breaths, rapid draw on the cigarette one after another, no pauses. What she's doing is shallow oxygenation. The nicotine gets into the bloodstream and to the brain (amazingly quickly, but that's a whole 'nother post) and begins to "damp down" the adrenaline. NOW, imagine the same smoker, relaxed, languid (the famous post-coital cigarette comes to mind). What is she doing? Drawing on the cigarette with long, slow puffs. Usually putting it down between draws. Chatting. slowly exhaling. And that draws in the nicotine to stimulate the CNS, excite some of the brain chemical receptors, and give the smoker a more focused sense and a sense of well-being. The problem is the delivery system. It kills the smoker, and those around her. Patches don't work well. Smokeless cigarettes have been useless, and don't really prevent the health problems. The person who comes up with a safe nicotine delivery system will rule the planet. E (who doesn't smoke cigarettes, but loves a good cigar, and a few other modalities) Edited to add: Angelika is right of course in that nicotine, orally ingested, is a deadly poison. Then again, misused, so is insulin. You pays your money and you takes your chances, like so much in life. My points were (1) faery is just dead wrong when she says you don't get anything from cigarettes -- as any nicotine addict will of course tell you and (2) but for the nasty delivery system (nails, teeth, clothing, smell -- I hate the smell of old cigarette smoke -- not to mention the disease factors we all know so well) nicotine is, to quote Rick James, "a helluva drug"!

angelikaJ -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:53:21 AM)
Faery, Really, I think the 2 of us offer a pretty good reason not to start smoking...you look great for your age and no one ever thinks I look mine (46).

angelikaJ -> RE: Smoking (6/2/2008 10:58:56 AM)
Interesting post... I have been offered cigarrettes numerous times by well meaning friends, and my response has always been "I think I will start with the gum and work my way up..." [;)] (and I like the smell of good cigars and pipe tobacco)

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