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pinksugarsub -> Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 4:37:08 PM)

Just curious...if Y/you were arrested, would Y/you know what to do?  How to talk to the cops or keep quiet?  How to qualify for a public defender?  How to post bail?
 
There's a bail bond company here running ads looking for people to be trained and hired as bail agents; got me to thinking.
 
pinksugarsub



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 4:52:53 PM)

Yeah, I know what to do....You keep your mouth shut.  The police are not your friends when you get arrested.  I don't care what they offer you or what they tell you.....you don't say shit without a lawyer present. 



christine1 -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:02:41 PM)

i would have no idea what to do...i'd probably pee my pants, hopefully while in the cop car...[;)]



RedMagic1 -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:07:44 PM)

Do not talk to the police.

If you think it likely you will get arrested -- for example, if you are participating in a demonstration, or if your brother is living at your house and currently on probation -- then have an attorney write on a business card, "I am represented by attorney X.  I do not waive any rights.  I reserve my right to speak until consulting first with attorney X."  Then hand the card to the police if you are arrested, and shut up.

Do not act like a dick.  Say "officer," not "cop."  Be polite, respectful, and silent.



Alumbrado -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:13:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Do not talk to the police.

If you think it likely you will get arrested -- for example, if you are participating in a demonstration, or if your brother is living at your house and currently on probation -- then have an attorney write on a business card, "I am represented by attorney X.  I do not waive any rights.  I reserve my right to speak until consulting first with attorney X."  Then hand the card to the police if you are arrested, and shut up.

Do not act like a dick.  Say "officer," not "cop."  Be polite, respectful, and silent.



If you can afford to keep an attorney on retainer, you don't need card tricks.[;)]

Bottom line, after answering questions about your name and address truthfully, say 'No Thank you', say 'Am I free to go now? and say 'I'd like an attorney to represent me first please' as often as you like. Being polite is OK.

Don't say anything else.



RedMagic1 -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:17:51 PM)

Retainer is a different concept.  This requires no money up front, and is a standard practice.

I posted because a poster I like said she would pee her pants, and I saw it scrolling by.  Many people stutter, or plan to say nothing and start talking because the police are insistent, and they don't want to be anti-authority.  Having something in writing is much safer.



ominousdominus -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:39:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Yeah, I know what to do....You keep your mouth shut.  The police are not your friends when you get arrested.  I don't care what they offer you or what they tell you.....you don't say shit without a lawyer present. 


Exactly.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:42:22 PM)

Everyone who said be respectful and keep your mouth shut (within reason) is right.
I, unfortunately, am the kind of person who "really wants to help" so...I'd be singing like a canary even if I had nothing to say.
My thoughts would be since I'm innocent, I have nothing to worry about.
I couldn't be more wrong, of course, but...I do know myself...



celticlord2112 -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 5:46:07 PM)

1.  Demand to know the specific charges against you.
2.  Demand an attorney.
3.  Shut the fuck up.

The golden rule of talking to police......DON'T.  They are not and never will be your friend.



DesFIP -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 6:20:47 PM)

This is a small town. Half a dozen lawyers, two town judges. My daughter went into traffic court a couple of weeks ago knowing that the judge that night is father to one of her oldest friends, and our lawyer. She was almost sorry the officer didn't show and she got dismissed.



pinksugarsub -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 6:55:05 PM)

Just a friendly lil caution:  criminal law is a specialty.  Yr lawyer from when You got divorced, had Yr will drawn, or sold Yr house in all likelihood will do You more harm than good.  Yr better off getting a public defender.
 
However if You can afford it and know a good one, it'd be lovely to have a criminal lawyer on retainer.
 
And nobody answered how to get bailed out.
 
pinksugarsub



slaveluci -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 6:58:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

Just curious...if Y/you were arrested, would Y/you know what to do?  How to talk to the cops or keep quiet?  How to qualify for a public defender?  How to post bail?
 
There's a bail bond company here running ads looking for people to be trained and hired as bail agents; got me to thinking.
 
pinksugarsub

Yeah, I'd know what to do 'cause I've been there and done that.  They flat out tell you "anything you say will be used AGAINST you in a court of law."  They never say "it'll be used in court" but it will be used "AGAINST you."  That ought to give you a hint how the deck is stacked[;)]. 

I was arrested in KY and I qualified for a public defender because I was broke.  My bond was $10,000 cash only - no property and they don't have bail bondsmen in KY (or at least they didn't back then).  I had been arrested one time prior to that in TN which has tons of bail bonding companies.  You pay 10% of what the bond amount is, sign some papers, and are released until court.  Show up or they hunt you down like an animal. 

There are some really decent folks working as bail bond agents and they do a great service.  Just be prepared to get screwed over by "no shows" in court and you need the ability to track 'em down and get your money back.

PS - I'm reformed now.  No jail in six years and clean for as long[:)]..................luci



Alumbrado -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 7:00:15 PM)

Nobody can give a simple answer on how to get bailed out, because those terms are set at a hearing, and depend on the accusations.

And in the OP are they talking about training you to become a bail bondsman, or a bail enforcement agent?  Two very different things.



pinksugarsub -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 7:08:52 PM)

A bail agent..i have absolutely no interest in being a bail enforcement agent.
 
pinksugarsub



RedMagic1 -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 7:13:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub
Just a friendly lil caution:  criminal law is a specialty.  Yr lawyer from when You got divorced, had Yr will drawn, or sold Yr house in all likelihood will do You more harm than good. 

You do not know what you are talking about.  Please listen.

A public defender is assigned by a judge, well after your arrest.  At the moment of arrest, you need some counsel.  A "retainer" is a significant chunk of money -- say $5,000 -- that you pay a lawyer in advance to do all kinds of crap for you. 

Any lawyer, including your divorce attorney, can agree to be the intermediary between you and the police, between the moment of your arrest, and your bail hearing.  This does not require a retainer.  *If* you ever get arrested, and that happens, the lawyer could then send you a bill for the few minutes it would take to be on the phone with the police.  This would not be a big bill (relatively speaking), simply because there's not much to be done between arrest and bail hearing.  The expensive stuff takes place between the bail hearing and conclusion of the trial.

Thank you, Luci, for telling that story.



Marc2b -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 7:26:04 PM)

A college professor I had for a criminal justice course advised the following if you should ever be arrested: To everything they say to you, to every question they ask you keep responding with the same two phrases over and over.

"I am exercising my right to remain silent."

"When may I speak to a lawyer."



Termyn8or -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 9:43:45 PM)

Yes I know what to do, but to explain it all would take too long. The main thing is to appear to cooperate.

And I know this, in Cleveland proper at least, if you can't get out on personal recognizance you have been naugty. But the suburbs require money no matter what.

I have mever called a bondsman, but my lawyer did once for me. He got the whole thing settled that night over the phone and there was no bond, just a fee, and that was built into the lawyer's fee. I don't even know how much it was, but there was no actual bond.

Shoulda seen this guy, shows up in a practically antique Mercedes. I mean this was in the eighties but the car was a 1965 or so. Immaculate. Interesting ride.

If you want a career in bail bonds, get ready to do alot of night driving. Drunk drivers out in the stix pay good. Felons in the city will skip more often.

As far as getting arrested, if you aren't prepared for a battle of wits, shut the fuck up. Cops ferret out information all the time. They are trained to do it. If you can hold your own in that situation try to look cooperative, but if you have any doubts, shutup. And I mean shutup from the beginning. You can start talking and when they get to a certain question you clam up, that gives them a valuable piece of information. Don't do it unless you can follow through. Most people trip themselves up. And alot of times you are trying to outhink two of them, both professionals.

This is not like being in a room and arguing a point with two or even three people, they are not pros. You start talking, they are sooner or later going to ask the right question, and if you clam up at that time, you have just given them their answer. I would estimate that 80% of the people in this country should just not start talking at all. Just give the basic info, name and all that.

T



pinksugarsub -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/2/2008 11:57:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub
Just a friendly lil caution:  criminal law is a specialty.  Yr lawyer from when You got divorced, had Yr will drawn, or sold Yr house in all likelihood will do You more harm than good. 

You do not know what you are talking about.  Please listen.

A public defender is assigned by a judge, well after your arrest.  At the moment of arrest, you need some counsel.  A "retainer" is a significant chunk of money -- say $5,000 -- that you pay a lawyer in advance to do all kinds of crap for you. 

Any lawyer, including your divorce attorney, can agree to be the intermediary between you and the police, between the moment of your arrest, and your bail hearing.  This does not require a retainer.  *If* you ever get arrested, and that happens, the lawyer could then send you a bill for the few minutes it would take to be on the phone with the police.  This would not be a big bill (relatively speaking), simply because there's not much to be done between arrest and bail hearing.  The expensive stuff takes place between the bail hearing and conclusion of the trial.

Thank you, Luci, for telling that story.


First of all, dream on as to getting a  lil bitty bill from any lawyer...especially for a court appearance.  Second, You missed my point...what i was (trying) to say was that if Yr arrested, You need a CRIMINAL lawyer -- not Yr divorce attorney who doesn't even know where the jail is.
 
pinksugarsub



Bethnai -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/3/2008 12:24:57 AM)

Actually, lets play bail like this: You have already been arrested and you have been transported to County.  Now, the holding cell in this facility has a payphone attatched to the wall with a list of about 30 bail bondsman attatched to the wall with 1-800- numbers. Cool! How many are up to date? Secondly, there may be a catch, such as the only call that you can make from that phone is a collect call.  It will not go down like a plan.  There have been cases that one can bail themselves out of jail, that takes a minute longer to do so.
Do not discount your attorney that handles other shit. Any attorney should be able to tell you, I can't but this person can. Especially, someone that you have relied on for x amount of crap and do you know why? Because this may not be their area of specialty and they want you to continue to rely on them for the things they do specialize in.  What you will have done is set the things in motion to get your ass out.
Your best bet is to have a place where you and someone close to you knows that you have a couple thousand stashed away. This allows them to post bail and gives you the time to find the attorney right for your charge.................which is located, generally, in the phone book under.......attorneys.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Would Y/you Know What to Do? (6/3/2008 12:35:08 AM)

I can't imagine getting arrested for anything except protesting dumb-assed Republican invasions of sovereign nations, but if I were to be, I can bail myself out.



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