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What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 7:39:06 PM   
Slavegirlsydney


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Status: offline 		I have noticed that for the most part, there are many different levals of slavery within the community. You have gorean kajira, D/s slaves etc.
WOuld some of you Masters mind explaining what you excpect from your slaves, and how do you get them to submit?
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Sydney.
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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 7:58:37 PM   
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I have noticed that for the most part, there are many different levals of slavery within the community. You have gorean kajira, D/s slaves etc.
WOuld some of you Masters mind explaining what you excpect from your slaves, and how do you get them to submit?
Thanks.
Sydney.
i'm no master, but as a submissive, what gets me to submit is the man whom i think the dominant/Master to be. then he has my full everything.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 8:01:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I expect honesty and obedience.

And a sub submits because she needs to. I'm not interested if there's any other reason.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 8:39:55 PM   
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I have noticed that for the most part, there are many different levals of slavery within the community. You have gorean kajira, D/s slaves etc.
WOuld some of you Masters mind explaining what you excpect from your slaves, and how do you get them to submit?


A slave is defined by their owner is my opinion.

What I expect frmo my slave(s) is everything :-)

I don't get her to submit, she submits of her own accord.

D (owner of j)

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 9:34:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		As others have already said, and I agree... a slave submits because she chooses to do so, because she wants to submit and wants to serve and wants to please. I have no interest in someone I have to coerce into it, conquer, capture, or otherwise force, cajole or induce to submit.

What do I expect from her... well, LaM and Wolfie have already given some good short answers... obedience, honesty, her all. In general I expect the same, I expect her to take her commitment to me seriously, I expect her best effort, I expect obedience, I expect sincerity, I expect her to take the time to learn what exactly I will expect of her before she is collared and then be ready to live according to that. Beyond these kinds of general things everyone has different specific expectations regarding forms or service, play, etc. For that you have to get to know each individual dominant.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 9:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a Dom not a Master but here's my spin on this.

First I wouldn't 'get a Sub to submit'. She does that because she wants too. I can't really force her, it's her choice. I also wouldn't WANT a Sub who was unwilling to submit to me. If that's her choice then she needs to move on and we'll both find someone new.

I too expect honesty and truth from my Sub. I'm also very interested in her overall attitude. If her attitude isn't compatible with my wants, needs and desires then we have a problem and we need to work that out or go our seperate ways. To be my Sub a lady must clearly communicate what it is that she expects to get out of this relationship and how. She also needs to listen and understand what I want and need and be in basic agreement with that before we start.

I guess what I'm saying is that a Sub or Slave is different to each Dom or Master and that relationship needs to be worked out between the two of them, preferrably in advance. Adjustments will always need to be made as you go along but a good firm understanding of each other up front is a wonderful base to build on.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 9:38:35 PM   
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< Message edited by girl4you2 -- 11/14/2005 1:21:11 PM >

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/26/2005 9:40:11 PM   
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The "slaves" I have had could not wait to submit. I didn't have to make them.

They were grateful to have someone to submit to who cherished the submission as I did.

Yin and Yang you see.

Two halfs of the same coin.



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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 6:05:28 AM   
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They do them because it fulfills them to do so, because they agree that a relationship with me in this way improves them.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 8:32:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		In 1991 Gloria, William Brame, and Jon Jacobs wrote a quintessential book on D/s “Different Loving”

To paraphrase from one section in the book…” The true power in D/s lies within the submissive/ slave…without surrender there can be no power exchange”

A Dom/Domme/ Top ….can facilitate the sweet surrender, but it only begins with the consensual agreement of the slave. To be sure there are acts which are non consensual, where someone is “taken” without consent; however in my mind, in my opinion that is violence and not D/s.


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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 8:58:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sartoris32801
To paraphrase from one section in the book…” The true power in D/s lies within the submissive/ slave…without surrender there can be no power exchange”

And IMO that's just another fluffy phrase like SSC to make people think It's All OK rather than having to really be responsible.
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A Dom/Domme/ Top ….can facilitate the sweet surrender, but it only begins with the consensual agreement of the slave. To be sure there are acts which are non consensual, where someone is “taken” without consent; however in my mind, in my opinion that is violence and not D/s.
Sartoris

Not true, things can be taken quite easily without being violent. There are many M/s relationships in which the slave would say they did not consciously give up any sort of authority...it was simply there and the master took it upon themselves. And they are quite happy about it.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 10:56:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sartoris32801
To paraphrase from one section in the book…” The true power in D/s lies within the submissive/ slave…without surrender there can be no power exchange”

And IMO that's just another fluffy phrase like SSC to make people think It's All OK rather than having to really be responsible.

I agree. The statement falls apart the minute you use the converse of the idea which goes like this...

"True power in D/s lies within the dominant... without someone to surrender to there can be no power exchange."

In other words, neither statement hits on the truth, but instead only gets part of it. It is true, if a submissive doesn't surrender there's no power exchange... but likewise if a dominant doesn't accept that surrender, there is still no power exchange. So where does the "twue power" lie? How about this... power exchange only occurs when you have that combination of a willing submissive and an accepting dominant... together they create a power exchange. If there is any "twue power" to be found it lies in that combination and it doesn't begin till both chose to be active participants in it.

Which brings us back to this...

In a power exchange relationship (whether you call it master/slave, dom/sub, or assertive activator/passive reactor or whatever you want to call it, and also whether it is total power exchange or limited power exchange), the dominant sets the rules, goals, boundaries... the submissive either accepts these or not. The relationship continues so long as the submissive continues to accept the authority of the dominant, and so long as the dominant continues to accept the surrender of the submissive. If the dominant should become disatisfied with the submissive to a degree that seems unacceptable and unreconcilable, the dominant can end the relationship merely by refusing to dominant any further. Likewise if the submissive feels the authority of the dominant has either become abusive, unsatisfactory, etc.. they can end the relationship merely by refusing to surrender further. The minute either the dominant or the submissive chooses to cease actively participating in the relationship, the power exchange is over. That simple reality of life and human nature is inescapable.

Contracts are only as good as the people who keep them.
Commitments are only as good as the people who keep them.
Power exchange lasts only as long as the people who keep it.

Doesn't matter if you're a BDSMer, Gorean, Leatherfolk, etc. that fundamental dynamic remains the same.

Both the dominant and the submissive have a responsibility to maintain their core identity and values, to ensure that the relationship meets those needs important to your health and happiness. A wise dominant does not accept a mismatch with a submissive who cannot please them because they lack the potential or ability to do so... neither does a wise submissive accept a mismatch with a dominant who cannot meet their needs. If things aren't working, both have a responsibility to themselves and the relationship to speak up and either work towards a solution or end the relationship.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 11:42:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I expect her to wear a collar that will never ever be removed.
That it is so engrained into her being that it is unthinkable to even consider it.
Most "marrages" or partnerships have built in conflicts as there are two people both trying to control the relationship.
A Master/slave one has very specific rules there is one Master and one slave.
A marrage can easily be ended a M/s one should be so deep that regardless of issues it does NOT end. I may sound a tad anti-marrage but after 4 "vanilla" marrages I feel I have good justification.
If I wish her to strip in front of a total stranger it should be an automatic response that she does. Not that she is concerned about herself or how others see her but that it is sometihng "I" told her to do.. even if I do not have a "reason" to do so . That does not and should not matter "what" or why but that I told her. But do I wish a non-intelligent person with no fire or spirit NO.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 11:52:41 AM   
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I may sound a tad anti-marrage but after 4 "vanilla" marrages I feel I have good justification.


You've given away half four times?

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 3:43:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag


In other words, neither statement hits on the truth, but instead only gets part of it. It is true, if a submissive doesn't surrender there's no power exchange... but likewise if a dominant doesn't accept that surrender, there is still no power exchange. So where does the "twue power" lie?

Contracts are only as good as the people who keep them.
Commitments are only as good as the people who keep them.
Power exchange lasts only as long as the people who keep it.

Doesn't matter if you're a BDSMer, Gorean, Leatherfolk, etc. that fundamental dynamic remains the same.



Well said Sir, and I would like to add to parts of your statement,

Obedience and honesty really do need to go together, Trust is built over a long period of time and at any moment it can be lost. Master of nothing slave to no one. Both parties must understand that without one the other simply does not exsist. Being free at the moment doesn't take away the core belief and feeling of what you are, but for the dynamic to work each has to offer themselves to the other. As I have explained to my girls over time, it is not like a normal relationship at all, instead of each one offering 50% and at times giving more or less, with this relationship, each one MUST give 100% at all times. A Master in his way and a slave in hers. All the time, all day, every day with no exceptions or excuses.

My answer to the post, a slave is required to be willing to see what she is, accept what she is and be willing to live what she is each day whether it is a good or bad day, in the end, she must be a slave. An obedient slave. A smart slave. A Happy slave.

D

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 5:06:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		a slave is required to give trust, honesty, obedience, and service; basically whatever her Master wishes.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 10/27/2005 6:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are a lot of good answers and discussion here. What is required from me, besides willing surrender/submission, is a desire to be the best. Whatever the task, they want to do it the best it can be done. With the building of trust, they serve with heart, body, mind, and soul. Building that trust takes time, and it also requires that I make all the efforts I can to see to it that they have what they need to grow and that best.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 11/2/2005 11:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		besides willing surrender/submission, is a desire to be the best. Whatever the task, they want to do it the best it can be done.

Yes, I agree with OberonRex. The best thing a slave can be is attitudinally prepared.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 11/2/2005 11:49:02 PM   
Sub03


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Status: offline 		like everyone else said you dont "get" a sub to submit and serve, a sub or slave wants to serve. If a Dom or Master has to force a sub or slave to submit then that sub or slave needs to sit and think if she is really in the right lifestyle. As far as what Doms and Masters expect from their subs or slaves i cant really speak for a Dom but honesty, loyalty and obedience are a few definite things. Along with anything else the Dom or Master may want.....it could be anything and is almost always everything.

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RE: What is required of a slave girl? - 11/3/2005 1:34:53 PM   
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Would some of you Masters mind explaining what you excpect from your slaves, and how do you get them to submit?



  • Obedience
  • Dedication
  • Honestly
  • Skill


As for how? Normally they desire and ask for service. Submission itself is a trickier beast. I discuss it more in other places.

Ownership and metallurgy

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