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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:11:03 PM

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So long as there are governments, "humanitarian" concerns will of necessity be trumped by the security of the state. Regardless of personal preference, that remains the order of things.

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:11:58 PM

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that remains the order of things.

No, really?!!!

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:14:37 PM

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Yes, kittin, really. Even for you.

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:16:59 PM

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You hold on to your 'that is the order of things' mantra. I'll stick to chaos theory.

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:21:27 PM

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I do think this is a good example of how someone can see another's actions are wrong and immoral, but when their own morality is outraged, they adopt the same strategies that they have previously condemned.

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Of what outraged morality are you concerned with here?

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1. Please link where I've "declared [my] stance on Iraq is driven by a desire to protect perceived American interests".

'Better things to do; feel free to deny it.

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2. "humanitarian aid transcends national interest by definition" ... I'll let celtic handle that one.

Feel free to have a crack yourself, seeing as I was addressing you.

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Interesting concept. You really believe this?

Firm

No. We can all do with a laugh.....thus hilarity ensued........

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:23:54 PM

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So long as there are governments, "humanitarian" concerns will of necessity be trumped by the security of the state. Regardless of personal preference, that remains the order of things.

...er......you need to add one word to your post, in between 'are' and 'governments' you need to add the word 'contemporary'. The link you so helpfully provided clearly states that governments have not always been able to trump morality with state security.
As to your phrase 'the order of things', i'd be a bit more careful with its use. As a phrase it has been historically used to justify many unjustifiable things ranging from slavery to sexism to fascism to rigid ideals of sexual preference. Just because something 'is' does not mean it is either right or permanent.
Questioning the necessity of things is one way that the human race has evolved socially.....those who disregard those who do such questioning are rarely proved right by history. The American Revolution is a good example of people who questioned the necessity of the status quo and decided that the order of things was wrong.

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:24:55 PM

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Hit and running doesn't do much for either the discussion or your reputation, NG.

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RE: Time Magazine endorses "Bush Doctrine" of... - 6/5/2008 1:29:22 PM

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Hit and running doesn't do much for either the discussion or your reputation, NG.

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There's plenty there for you to get your teeth into, Firm......your call.......of course, your reputation will remain intact regardless....

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