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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 10/28/2005 5:17:34 PM   
dekley


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The more you want or demand, the more you will have to pay for it, in some way or another. It ain't free! It's just a poorer quality and the customer service stinks. But you're still paying for it.


Well said... My sentiments exactly... I learned a long time ago that there are no free rides in this old world.

BTW... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! GDG

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 10/29/2005 12:50:04 AM   
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I think what I find most interesting here is the comments about "that''s the governement..." This is not a direct quote, but I often wonder about the people who shrug and seem to think that all blame as well as all responsibility for a citizen's personal comfort level should be laid on "the government". In the USA, we seem to forget that WE are the government! As long as people don't come out in force and protest some of the ridiculous spending "the governement" is doing, it is giving tacit permission to be wasteful. We are not supposed to be wasteful, but "the government" can be? And can we really say, as a people, that we are not wasteful, and have some sort of sense of entitlement just because we live in the good ol' US of A?
As to the price of petrol in other countries...has anybody thought to check to see how much of that is taxes and where those taxes go? It is a trade off. Ya want social program such as socialized medicine, then you will pay for it at the gas pump. In the USA we still pay less at the pump, but we also have less in terms of certain expensive social programs. This is one case where you just can't have your cake and eat it too. The more you want or demand, the more you will have to pay for it, in some way or another. It ain't free! It's just a poorer quality and the customer service stinks. But you're still paying for it.
So think before you vote. You do hold the power, and we all should be asking some very hard questions and holding our representatives to a stricter standard. But we don't. Most of us don't even pay attention to what is being presented in Congress, how much fat has weaseled it's way into a bill, and who has or hasn't voted and how they voted.
On topic...it has been 30+ years since we have built a new refinery in this country. Why is that? Another hard question. I kind of know the answer. Perhaps encouragement for a windfall profits tax would be good. The plus side for the corporation is proof along approved guidelines that these windfall profits are, in fact, being plowed right back into new refineries which will benefit the corporation and the citizenry. That gets them a "windfall profits" tax break. Some regulation is good. Some tax breaks are good. The minus side is determining what constitutes a windfall profit. The trick is finding the right balance.
I say fire all the Lobbysits! But then I always thought the answer to cancer caused by cigarette smoking would be to just kill all the rats.
*Smiling as I type this...honest!*

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i don't have the answers, only some ideas. voting and reading into who one might vote for might be a start. so many vote without reading the whole of the laws or looking into the background and voting record of those they vote for. also writing to one's local, state, and federal representatives and letting them know how one feels is another idea. sometimes not much is done, but sometimes it's heard.


i think that we agree that there is much we all can do as citizens to ensure that what is enacted by the legislators reflects what the people think best. checking into the laws that are being proposed, not just hearing the hype, checking voting records and issues acted upon, reading what is in the law as it's presented, not as it started out; these are all fairly easy things to do and not that time consuming. it's not about living in cabins and not having change, it's about being socially responsible and realizing the costs of things. it's also about educating oneself to what is out there being done, and what other things might be done. out here, it's also about asking why the windmills are the last to come on board during energy burn days and the first to go offline, when they are being touted as such a viable and cost effective means of providing energy. sometimes it's also about realizing why answers are hard in coming. aren't those rats peddling fast enough?

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 10/29/2005 8:36:45 AM   
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Alright...this is the second time in this thread that someone has mentioned rats. First it was suggested that rats be killed to slow the spread of cancer. And now they're not pedalling fast enough?

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 10/29/2005 11:38:55 AM   
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I was outraged when I heard the profit reports as well. However, as I thought more about it, I remembered this isn't a socialist society, it's a capitlistic one. Also, change happens when we act in a way that supports our words. So many of us want to out do the other guy, so we buy bigger and better. The oil companies are in it for the profits and if they feel they can squeeze that next dime out of us, they most certainly will and why not, its all about profits for them. Isn't that what America is all about? Success here means you should strive to have more of these $$$$$$$ than you could possibly ever make use of.

It's usully the little guy/gal that feels the brunt of it all, but gather enough little voices and the voices can make an astonishling loud sound that can't be ignored. There are many groups that are actively implementing change in little ways, but they continue to need more active participation from the rest of us. As long as we sit passively on the sidelines, someone else will decide whats best for the majority of us.

Then again, I would be happy to see all cars off the road and a return to older modes of transportation, like biking. LOL. Of course then the price of rubber and metal will skyrocket. I don't have the answers, because I realize, no matter what sources we use, someone will box it up and make it costly in some way. That is unless we demand otherwise by our actions.

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 10/29/2005 12:19:54 PM   
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Alright...this is the second time in this thread that someone has mentioned rats. First it was suggested that rats be killed to slow the spread of cancer. And now they're not pedalling fast enough?

DesertRat
do you smell a rat that's workin' too hard? at least when they pedal, they ain't bein' killed.

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 4:57:41 AM   
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Well this is a way overdue response :-)
Allmost a year later ... but hey.

Actually most of the world pays a lot more per gallon than Americans. We pay about 1.120€/liter so that's allmost 6$/gallon. That's double the price you'ld prefere. And that's just for diesel. Gasoline is way more expensive, like 1/3!
So it's not that bad over there :-)

Anyway, just wanted to mention it because i don't think it was mentioned in this thread before.

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 9:27:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: openupwide

Well this is a way overdue response :-)
Allmost a year later ... but hey.

Actually most of the world pays a lot more per gallon than Americans. We pay about 1.120€/liter so that's allmost 6$/gallon. That's double the price you'ld prefere. And that's just for diesel. Gasoline is way more expensive, like 1/3!
So it's not that bad over there :-)

Anyway, just wanted to mention it because i don't think it was mentioned in this thread before.


And now I'm wondering what would have happened if the European nations being charged so much over the years would have protested the cost?

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 10:05:28 AM   
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The oil companies always claim that they dont make their money at the petrol stations but more in the wholesale supply chain. Does anybody know  who owns what in the oil industry. I believe they effectiveley buy from themselves so they cant lose whatever happens.

In the UK petrol is 1 pound per litre near enuff = 4.5 pounds a gallon.
Then BEER is nearly 20 pounds a gallon
Real SIN that is.    lol

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 11:04:11 AM   
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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 11:05:45 AM   
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This thread makes me want to bomb something.  I do live near Galveston.



Edit: *ten minutes later the platypus is whisked away to her new Guantanamo apartment.*

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 12:35:56 PM   
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The reason that Europeans pay so much for gasoline is *TAXES*.
They are Socialist countries and they need all that money to pay for all the cradle to grave services that they enjoy!
It's not unusual in (some) European countries for people to get 8 weeks of "Holidays" (vacation) and a year of paid maternity leave and a lot of other benefits that we don't get in the U.S.
But, we here in the U.S. have paid for their protection by having tens of thousands of troops in Europe since after WW2 .

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 1:38:08 PM   
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whoaaa Popeye - just a second there; I take it youre talking about some European country other than the UK when youre talking about 8 week paid holidays?

The UK is the most expensive country in Europe for fuel - yet we are the largest producers of oil in the EU. I can buy British refined petrol in France for near on half the price it costs me a mile from the refinery. Its because of taxes. But fuel is only one thing that costs more in the UK - cigarettes, booze, housing, food, cars etc etc, all cost more here than on the continent.

Now all this extra tax does not go towards providing us with cradle to grave services. Sure we have a national health service which is free at delivery - but if you need it, expect to wait six months for an appointment (or six hours if you can pay), if you get in a motor accident then expect to be billed for your ambulance and treatment (self inflicted, see?), and for goodness' sake dont get old or your life will be worth so little that you wont get any treatment at all - hopefully you'll die and save money for the system. Meanwhile if you're a Somali who came here illegally on the bottom of my truck, having paid nothing into the system, you get to the front of the queue for housing, medical treatment etc!

Meanwhile, our EU neighbours have similar systems, with half the taxes. They get up to 25 public holidays per year, plus 4-8 weeks paid holiday - Italy closes down completely during August, the entire country goes on vacation.

So where does all this money raised from us in the UK go if its not being translated into services? Why do we in the UK get only 8 public holidays (and usually have to work them anyway) and 2-4 weeks paid holiday?

Answer - to pay the US for lend lease from 1940, which money was then used to rebuild our European neighbours' countries post war whilst the UK had to pay for its own rebuilding. The result is that the European continent can have 3 hour lunchtimes whilst in the UK we eat at our desks, and the US complains about paying for European security when its the UK that has paid many times over for that security through the interest charged for lend lease!

The US as defenders of democracy? Not at all, it was just that Hitler didnt have a good enough credit record more like!

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 2:29:26 PM   
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What do we do?  We write our elected officials and tell them that unless they get the prices down before elections not to look to be in Washington after election.  If they get bombarded enough they might actually do something.  That means I think that they can.  In just the same way that they have allowed it to go on and let the oil companies reap these profits they can turn a blind ear to them to get back into office. 

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/19/2006 4:13:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
I say fire all the Lobbysits!

Fire em?  Shoot all the lobbyists and the political "think tank" operatives (professional propagandists)  while you're at it. 

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RE: record profits by Exxon Mobil of $9.9 billion-what ... - 8/20/2006 12:57:27 AM   
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And they still get tax breaks and special grants. Corporate welfare is the worst fat ass lazy tax sucker.

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