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hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: I did not know this (6/5/2008 7:12:49 AM)
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ORIGINAL: stella41b
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Doctors, ok Ill concede they are a profession... However if I were to pick those who truly build a civilization I would say it is the lawyers, the businessmen, and the engineers... After all, those are the ones who develop the rules and order, run the economic engine, and create the infrastructure...
I only half agree here, and that's with lawyers and businessmen. I don't see where engineers come into it. More influential than say writers? Musicians? People in the motion picture industry like producers and directors? I'll give you an example of what I'm on about too - Ireland.
Engineers have been with us in some capacity since Civilzation started, somewhere in the vacinity of what? 8000 to 10,000 years?. Producers and Directors, or anyone in Mass Media for that matter, have been extant for less than 100 years. Civilization got along fine without it (mass media) for that long, and frankly wouldn't cease to exist without it now - whereas Engineers are the ones who do things like, oh... Design Buildings, Create usable Water Sources (in the way of Pipes and Plumbing, so that you have clean running water, without which Civilization wouldn't exist at all as urban centers)... things like that. What do the producers do? They document the Real work that's being done by other people - everything from creating civilization to feeding civilization's need for entertainment. But when it comes to the "entertainment" portion of that, they aren't even creating it - a writer somewhere who gets less credit for the work did That.
Writers and Musicians in past times also held Other professions - they weren't "just" a musician or "just" a writer. It has only been with the onset of technology within the past 150 years that people took such as their Sole profession. Take a look at the writers - even the great poets - of the past. They were also businessmen, and writing was something they did in their spare time. The only Sucessful musicians of earlier ages - ie those who held no other profession - had the luxury to do so specifically because they had a wealthy (typically noble) patron, or they lived on the fringes of society and barely eeked out a living. Hence the term "starving artist."
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ORIGINAL: stella41b
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ORIGINAL: DomAviator
Oh and FYI it is a hell of a lot harder to become a military pilot, special warfare operator, reactor technician, diver, etc than it is to become a doctor, nurse or LMFAO teacher!
Point taken but I've yet to see a military pilot or anyone in the military draw crowds of hundreds of thousands of people, sell platinum discs or write words which are shared with millions of people over decades or even hundreds of years. Is that not also success?
But please feel free to check out my next posting to see who I feel has the strongest influence on society..
If you've never seen military aviation - or civ aviation for that matter - draw crowds of thousands I'd venture to say it's likely you've never been to a large airshow. Oh, and another thing about those Engineers that you seem to find not as important as the musicians, writers, directors, etc - without the Engineers, many of those folks would not have a means of reacing the masses and getting those Platinum records. It's the Engineers who created radio, TV, computers, block printing presses, motion picture cameras, etc.
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