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boytoykyle -> Political views? (10/28/2005 12:38:02 AM)

I'm going to school at arguable the most liberal campus in the nation, and it got me thinking...is there a pattern with political views and BDSM? Just curious, its probably just as mixed as the rest of the world, but I'd like to know. Personally, I lean towards the liberal side.




IronBear -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 12:45:47 AM)

I dont pretend to understand US polotics, however here, our federal Govt tends to follow who ever is in power in the US and we have the same right wing christian extremists trying to have all porn banned, BDSM outlawed and Wiccans and Lesbians publically burned at the stake. My solution? The US needs to have an African American lesbian dominatrix as president and John Warren as vice president, we need an Aboriginal Dominatrix (of any persuasion) as prime Minister and the state premiers all should be active members of the gay community and pagans to boot .. Maybe we may see some peacefull and effective solutions from both countries and even some national tollerance.





DesertRat -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:05:02 AM)

I'm not very political now, but in the '80s I co-founded the Commie Fag Junkies for Reagan, which was most definitely a force to be reckoned with.

Bob




Wolfie648 -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:06:34 AM)

quote:

I'm going to school at arguable the most liberal campus in the nation, and it got me thinking...is there a pattern with political views and BDSM? Just curious, its probably just as mixed as the rest of the world, but I'd like to know. Personally, I lean towards the liberal side.


Tell us your thoughts seeing as how it got you thinking.

D (owner of j)




boytoykyle -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:13:32 AM)

Steriotypes really. At least what I consider steriotypes. And I KNOW that they are just that...steriotypes. There not accurate. The steriotype that people who are into BDSM are, for lack of a better term, part of the "goth" category. And steriotypically speaking, those of the "goth" category are liberal. So I was just wondering. By no means do I believe these steriotypes, I would never consider myself a "goth". I lead a very very very vanilla life, and anyone who knew that I was into BDSM would never believe me. ever. So I myself prove that the steriotype is wrong.




1RottenJohnny -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:21:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: IronBear
The US needs to have an African American lesbian dominatrix as president



Condoleezza, baby![;)]




Chaingang -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 2:39:11 AM)

I wouldn't assume anything about someone's politics based soley on one criteria. It takes all kinds to make a world full of people, even if your focus is just the people of the various BDSM lifestyles (yeah, that's a plural term).

I'll give you an example of what is sure to be a false generalization on my part: "BDSM interested Goths are fakes and wannabes that favor fetish gear purely as a fashion statement." Now that statement is almost surely false, but I could move it closer to the truth by adding the phrase "most often" immediately following the verb. Then the statement is true based solely on my own anecdotal observations - but I could still be totally wrong because my anecdotal sample set may simply be too small.

One cannot know these things from anecdotal data.

YMMV...




TheHungryTiger -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 3:09:05 AM)

this was part of Gloria Brames research ..... http://www.gloria-brame.com/therapy/bdsmsurveyresults.html (see question 11)

Middle of the Road 34%
Left/Liberal 24%
Democrat 14%
Republican 12%
Libertarian 8%
Conservative/Right 8%




OscarHargraves -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 7:42:32 AM)

Well Tiger, I guess I'm one of that 8%. Although my views are somewhat liberal towards BDSM and sex in general, I tend to be much more conservative in other areas. I still think we need a strong military to protcet us and I think people should get out and work for their living insread of expecting the govt to give them everything or bail them out when they have a problem. I'm also real sick of the 'career welfare' families that spend entire generations sponge-ing off the tax payers.

Ooops, better get off my soapbox now, sorry..........




girl4you2 -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 10:26:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

Well Tiger, I guess I'm one of that 8%. Although my views are somewhat liberal towards BDSM and sex in general, I tend to be much more conservative in other areas. I still think we need a strong military to protcet us and I think people should get out and work for their living insread of expecting the govt to give them everything or bail them out when they have a problem. I'm also real sick of the 'career welfare' families that spend entire generations sponge-ing off the tax payers.

Ooops, better get off my soapbox now, sorry..........

i'm not positive, but i think they passed some stuff a bit ago about limiting duration on welfare and foodstamps. there is current legislation aimed at reducing medicaid even now going through the house.




KatyLied -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 11:32:44 AM)

I consider my a liberal; but when I take political tests I always score in the Libertarian range.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 11:44:00 AM)

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Personally, I lean towards the liberal side.


The "liberal side" doesn't exist any more. Using one of the original tenets of liberalism as an example that all people are to be treated equal. I agree with that position. However, equality is no longer a liberal position. Today's liberals support programs and laws that make people "more equal" than others. Colleges are a perfect example. At one time woman were a minority on college campuses. Colleges like Princeton, Yale, Harvard were all male institutions. Those institutions now have a large woman presence, and in the case of Yale, a majority. Woman make up a majority of the overall college population, yet quotas and lower entrance standards are still in place for woman. Ending quotas and the applying equal standards is now a conservative ideal.

Who said this, a conservative or a liberal; "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!"? Imagine if this was applied in current times to such things as national health care, farm subsidies, and even the Katrina relieve efforts. Now we have national entitlement. Cheap gas, free health coverage, subsidized housing, full employment; are a "right" of every American citizen AND all those who can sneak over the border.

Even the liberals know they can't self identify as liberal. It's almost taken on the pariah definition of a the 50's "pinko communist". Just look at the recent attempt at creating liberal radio talk shows. The charter is to provide a outlet to offset the conservatives. But do they call their attempt "liberal radio"? No - they call it "progressive radio". They are so embarrassed with their liberalism and realize that it is so far from the main stream they had to change the name. Listen and observe how senators, congressmen, or any politician now self identifies as "progressive". Many of these used to be liberals. Why are they now embarrassed by the term?

Their effort is a marketing stroke of genius. It must have been the same marketing study that called the "anti-abortion" movement "pro-life". Just think of the mental exercise needed to be contrary. Once "pro-life" replaced "anti-abortion; abortion (or woman's)rights people were immediately "anti-life"; a VERY tough label to sell to the general public. Now the effort is to make the opposite of conservative not liberal but progressive. Turned around it illustrates the point better. Who would want to be identified with a group that was - "contra-progressive"? The Orwellian use of language is admirable!

Remember one other thing - the general public far out ways any opinion you'll see hear from either side. Ask yourself why the ACLU is more active in getting a small cross off the city shield of the city of LA than they are about the national censorship that's occurring? Every political position that is taken now on a national level first requires a national opinion poll. Decisions and positions taken are determined not on moral or just grounds but on how much money it will bring into the group.

If my political identification were given in lifestyle relative terms I'd be a bi-sexual switch. When forced to label myself I say I am a pragmatist. It's very egomanical and selfish, but honest. I vote and support people who will best enhance or maintain the lifestyle I choose to live. Some compromises that you have to make along the way are very painful, but that's where prioritizing is important. Using the lifestyle alone for making voting decisions you may think that requires a liberal position. But I see no political party or individual politician representing a libertarian point of view on this subject. Without that platform to consider things like national security, business climate, and reducing the size of government became important issues. Of course that doesn't guarantee the person you vote for will follow through with that platform, but when the opposition guarantees the creation of a bigger government, it's a no brainer who to pick out of the gate.

Why the need to call yourself anything? While in college take on the political position of the professor who's class you are taking. It will help your grade. Your goal should be graduation. Think of college as the equivalent of "on-line" lifestyle relationship. You may learn some things but ultimately the real world will be much different. Self identity should be formed by beliefs resulting from your real experiences. Beliefs will be easier to defend if they are yours. Don't waste the fight with people who you ultimately can win against because they have the ultimate power over your grade. Use debate to help qualify your opinions to yourself. Get your degree so you can label yourself a graduate.

It's may be difficult for you to acknowledge now but do enough to achieve your goal and little more. Unless you plans are for graduate school immediately, after your first job, the grades you achieved will never be important again. Consider that 50% of all doctors who practice medicine graduated in the lower half of their class. The shingle they hang with their degree does not give the grades they obtained.

Are you sure you identify as a "liberal"?




Littlepita -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 12:49:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I consider my a liberal; but when I take political tests I always score in the Libertarian range.



I consider myself Republican and always score Libertarian too. What's that about?




sub4hire -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:06:38 PM)

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I consider myself Republican and always score Libertarian too. What's that about?


I'd say because your head isn't buried deep beneath the surface like most are. You see what is going on around you and question it. Some don't.
So, you don't always agree with what people just tell you. Which makes you cross over the lines.


As for the original question. I'm registered as an independant. I vote for whoever I believe at the time will do the best for this country. No matter what affiliation they are claiming to be.
I don't feel the lifestyle is any more liberal than any other lifestyle. It is just we always seem to think our lifestyle is the best, etc. Get people to agree and we feel good about ourselves for a few minutes.




fyreredsub -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 1:52:12 PM)

conservative GOP




SirKenin -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 2:03:26 PM)

I'm centrist. I have no use for the left or right wing fanatics personally [:)]




AbstractSavant -> RE: Political views? (10/28/2005 2:45:54 PM)

I'm about as far left as you can go.




FangsNfeet -> RE: Political views? (10/29/2005 6:47:11 AM)

If there's a BDSM group, politics can and will get in the way from time to time as you elect presidents, treasurers, and people to be in charge of projects and such. There will always be talk behind your back, people bitching about how they would do things there way, and people sideing with others to get there way on something else. Politics is everywhere.

At large, the BDSM community supports homosexuality, multiple marriages, and BDSM. Rather being Liberal or Conservitive, we all stand together to keep our life style and friends legal.




dekley -> RE: Political views? (10/29/2005 12:33:22 PM)

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Consider that 50% of all doctors who practice medicine graduated in the lower half of their class.


Reminds me of an old joke...

What do they call a person who graduated dead last in his/her class in medical school?

Answer: a doctor





Padriag -> RE: Political views? (10/29/2005 2:46:20 PM)

I'm apolitical, not affiliated with any political party and staunchly against the existance of any political party.

I don't have politics, I have personal beliefs which are based on the best logic, reason and independant thinking I'm presently capable of. Like Mercnbeth I choose who I vote for based purely on who I think will do the best job of serving the greater good... which is sometimes a tough choice when the field of candidates look like morons.

So I'm certainly not a republican or a democrat. Whether you consider me middle of the road, left, right, conservative or liberal really depends on what we are discussing specifically and whether one of those groups happens to agree with what I'm saying on that topic.




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