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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:14:31 AM

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The assault and non-consensual branding was anything but instant. But why he stopped? Who knows.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:28:14 AM

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Still not sure why he didn't.

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Where's the fun in letting you off the hook by means of instant death?

NG, imo, there is nothing funny about socio/psychpaths and the violence and misery they inflict on their victims. It demonstrates,well, a lack of empathy. And it has, imo again, nothing to do with D/s or bdsm.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 12:29:40 PM

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okay i have to ask...as in legitimate diagnosed mental illness or just someone you don't like? because my first response is to think that it's sort of cruel to comment against someone with a mental illness just because they're mentally ill. but i guess my question is, was this a complete surprise?

no, it's not mean to people who are mentally ill, and i do mean as in a diagnosed mental illness.

i have known people who have schizophrenia, depression, and bipolar disorder, this was different. unlike those illnesses, there is no insight and no concern for how the disease is affecting behavior. a psychopath doesnt care how his or her actions affect anyone but themselves, and is primarily motivated to get what they want. these two together become i get what i want no matter the effect, pretty horrible when it comes to relationships with family, friends, lovers, colleagues.

i did not realize anyone would completely change how he behaved in order to get what he wanted, or completely deny any responsibility. i know (most) psychopaths have horrible, horrible childhoods, and i have great sympathy, which he used against me, like he did with anything that could control me. He wasn't a Dom

edited to add: ok, psychopath is the wrong term, personality disorder. its just, personality disorder sounds so bland, like it doesent express the horror that it can create.

thank you for your posts. im all farklempt

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 4:33:49 PM

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is there anyone else here who was in a relationship with a psychopath? (not a mean person or a strange person, a down-home, diagnosed or diagnosable psychopath.) i feel stupid for being caught in that web, and like it's supposed to be a secret, so maybe i can find out whether i really am more idiotic than most folks or there are others that have been caught in it too.

I have met many people that I thought were psychopath's. I am a fairly good judge of character and who is
a good match for me. I have been fortunate enough to not enter into a relationship with a psychopath.
There are a lot of them online and in the real world, also.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 6:01:40 PM

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'Psychopath' is a term that used to have a specific usage, and has now been pretty much mangled by the media into any number of slasher/ex boyfriend stereotypes.

Kleckley's checklist as revised by Hare (PCL-R) still contains the pertinent characteristics.

two key aspects that help define the psychopath: selfish and unfeeling victimization of other people, and an unstable and antisocial lifestyle.
The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect(superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

Note that if you take away the last 4 items, instead of a career violent criminal, you have a career politician....

This gentleman is doing some interesting work.
http://www.psych.umn.edu/people/faculty/patrick.htm

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 9:04:33 PM

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My ex told me something his academic mentor had told him once- 98% of the world is neurotic in some fashion, 2% is psychotic. Be happy you're in the 98%

If you actually can tell someone is sociopathic or psychotic, they probably really aren't that much or haven't been for long. The whole point is that you can't tell.

It concerns me at times that I've got a fair bit of the same personality traits, thought processes and social associations which belong to those classes, but I relieve myself knowing as long as I'm aware of it, I'm doing ok.

Seriously, if you get involved with that type, be happy you're out of it now and able to still function and be fulfilled.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 9:40:22 PM

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'Psychotic' is someone who has had a significant break with reality, I would disagree that you cannot detect that, and it certainly isn't relevant to the traits of psychopathy, which can serve to mask the condition..

What are the symptoms of a psychotic disorder?

Symptoms vary from person to person and may change over time. The major symptoms of psychotic disorders are hallucinations and delusions.
Hallucinations are unusual sensory experiences or perceptions of things that aren't actually present, such as seeing things that aren't there, hearing voices, smelling odors, having a "funny" taste in your mouth and feeling sensations on your skin even though nothing is touching your body.
Delusions are false beliefs that are persistent and organized, and that do not go away after receiving logical or accurate information. For example, a person who is certain his or her food is poisoned, even if it has been proven that the food is fine, is suffering from a delusion.
Other possible symptoms of psychotic illnesses include:

Disorganized or incoherent speech
Confused thinking
Strange, possibly dangerous behavior
Slowed or unusual movements
Loss of interest in personal hygiene
Loss of interest in activities
Problems at school or work and with relationships
Cold, detached manner with the inability to express emotion
Mood swings or other mood symptoms, such as depression or mania

http://www.medicinenet.com/psychotic_disorders/article.htm

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:10:01 PM

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If Narcistic is in the group your looking for, then Yes I have had that experiance.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:16:01 PM

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There is a huge distinction between someone that is either psychotic or experiencing a transient psychotic episode and there are many disorders/conditions that can induce an episode, and someone who has an antisocial personality disorder, they should not be confused. The latter frequently goes undetected and is the most difficult to treat in terms of realistic expectation of improvement. What is interesting when clinical psychologists are making their diagnoses is that when a person is undergoing assessment for the latter condition, the criteria for assessment is to identify at least five key elements associated with this disorder which, again, should not be confused with the average everyday traits that differ considerably from its clinical counterparts.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:29:00 PM

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You know, for some reason, I seem to attract the crazies. Over the last 5 years, I've dated 2 people who were diagnosed bipolar, and 2 more that were clinically depressed. (And those are just the ones who were actually diagnosed...

One of my friends suggested that I make getting a complete psychiatric evaluation prerequisite to dating me...

When people stop using terms such as "the crazies", mental illness will stop having the enormous stigma attached to it. A person is a human being with a psychiatric disability. The person is not a disability. They are not "crazies".

Do you feel it appropriate to talk so glibly about cripples? Retards? Dead babies? Homo's? ( I use these words to illustrate a point, I do not use them myself).

People who suffer from mental illnesses have more than enough to deal with, without being spoken of in that manner.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:41:27 PM

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Good posts, Alumbrado, MissMorrigan and MissMagnolia.

punkass, perhaps rather than testing potential dates for psychopathology, you should consider getting an MRI to see if you, indeed, have a magnet in your ass that attracts bad boys.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:44:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

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ORIGINAL: punkass86

You know, for some reason, I seem to attract the crazies. Over the last 5 years, I've dated 2 people who were diagnosed bipolar, and 2 more that were clinically depressed. (And those are just the ones who were actually diagnosed...

One of my friends suggested that I make getting a complete psychiatric evaluation prerequisite to dating me...

When people stop using terms such as "the crazies", mental illness will stop having the enormous stigma attached to it. A person is a human being with a psychiatric disability. The person is not a disability. They are not "crazies".

Do you feel it appropriate to talk so glibly about cripples? Retards? Dead babies? Homo's? ( I use these words to illustrate a point, I do not use them myself).

People who suffer from mental illnesses have more than enough to deal with, without being spoken of in that manner.

Gawd, I know. I tell people I'm not crazy, I'm an eccentric ('cause I ain't eggzackly poor, yanno

) Commie whackjob clinically depressed doper, but they insist on calling me "Mr. XYZ" or "Sir" or other honorifics peculiar to the South.

Bet it's the car.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:46:16 PM

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You're a nawty man! It started as a low chuckle that continued to tickle my ribs and which escalated to the point my cheeks are wet (not the lower two!) from laughing so hard!

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:50:43 PM

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You're a nawty man! It started as a low chuckle that continued to tickle my ribs and which escalated to the point my cheeks are wet (not the lower two!) from laughing so hard!

See what you're missing? Four years ago you could have married me.

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:53:26 PM

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You meantosay I still can't? You know us brits are all eccentric

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:54:35 PM

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wait..no..she's gonna marry ME!!

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:56:21 PM

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Hah! The things us 'eccentric' brits will do to get ya into the country... the only condition is lots of smooching, among other things. i never said I was altruistic in intention, Greedy muahahaha

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/6/2008 11:59:05 PM

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and I lose on this deal.............how, exactly???

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/7/2008 12:03:33 AM

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...wraps me Depardieu appendage in cottonwool and gets down on one knee

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RE: psychopath partners - 6/7/2008 12:06:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Gawd, I know. I tell people I'm not crazy, I'm an eccentric ('cause I ain't eggzackly poor, yanno

) Commie whackjob clinically depressed doper, but they insist on calling me "Mr. XYZ" or "Sir" or other honorifics peculiar to the South.

Bet it's the car.

My pologies HK. What I meant to say was people are not crazy, except for you.

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