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siamsa24 -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/30/2005 8:23:50 AM)
I am smarter then my partner, I out-earn him, have a permenant career (rather then temping), have a newer and nicer car, have a large savings account for my vacation next year and many other things that he doesn't. That's just life, that would happen with me and many other men as well. If they have problems with that then that is their problem, not mine [:D]

jockeypants -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/30/2005 8:57:09 PM)
Hi, When I got an email with the title "Why Don't You Want An Intelligent Sub/Slave" I very nearly fell off my chair thinking that I would click on the article and discover how I was going to get screwed! Because intelligence and generous attempts at humor are major points of what I can bring to a relationship. I was glad to see the wonderful discussion. It's the strong Master or Mistress who can ask for what they need or admit they've been wrong without feeling threatened. As a sub, it earns my complete dedication and respect. A Mistress doesn't need to be smarter than I am...she needs to know how to use my powers for our greater good. But to each their own, naturally. There's no right or wrong here. In my mind, an intelligent sub that gives his/her submission to a Dom that doesn't appreciate the value of intelligence is not very intelligent.

fyreredsub -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/31/2005 4:28:15 AM)
that's odd how people perceive so differently. i took him at exactly what he said....... he isnt indiscrimanately 'screwing this or that"..... and what kind he would prefer in his home. intelligence didn't matter for 'that need' could be satisfied elsewhere. hmmmmmmmmm.maybe its me cause i'm still a cup of joe short...[X(] quote: ORIGINAL: girl4you2 quote: ORIGINAL: CitizenCane For me, intelligence is simply not the critical ingredient. As I said in the other thread on this general topic, things like loyalty, grace, eagerness to please, passion and good cheer mean more to me in an intimate partner than IQ. I'm not afraid of other people's intelligence, and I enjoy it in a sub when it's combined with the features above- but I really don't see how having an IQ of 150 makes a girl better in bed, more fun to spank, or look sexier in a leather harness. Given a choice between a sub with big smarts and a dishonest heart; and one who's trustworthy but not particularly bright, I'd much rather have the second in my home. My idea of dominance does not include being a prison guard. Also, I'm much more particular about who I fuck than who I talk to- so I'm perfectly happy to have scintillating conversations with a wide variety of people who can be interesting about a variety of subjects, rather than focus my intellectual life on one person and screw around indiscriminately. when combined with some wits, integrity, obedience, trust, honour, overwhelming desire and need to please, to serve, to be what one should be to her Master/Dominant, passion in everything done, loyalty, caring, an honest and honourable heart, trustworthiness, who wishes to learn about things of interest to her Master/Dominant while keeping her own and not becoming any burden, who doesn't desire to take anything, but offers to give what she has, no matter the cost, then why is it not good to think, when one doesn't let one's thoughts interfere....i don't know why i ask anymore really. perhaps it is about what i think you speak of, having just "play" partners and not ever seek anything of substance and more.

fyreredsub -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/31/2005 4:32:21 AM)
but stats can be skewed to say just about anything,lol quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I'm having a hard time understanding this thread (and the related one). You're not the only one, I have yet to think of a reply that would really contribute to this thread in some useful way or answer the original question. For myself I cannot imagine not wanting an intelligent slave (which I don't necessarily equate with high IQ, though I find the two often go together). An unintelligent slave would... well... be of very limited use to me, perhaps kept literally as a pet (perhaps a full time puppygirl for example), but that doesn't really fit with my desires so its not something I have pursued. quote: ORIGINAL: Sunshine119 Ditto to the above. It would seem that people matching up in the BDSM world is very much like people matching in the vanilla world. Or at least on line. Statistically people online tend to be more literate and educated (and presumably more intelligent, though sometimes I wonder about it). If true then it follows you would find a higher percentage of intelligent dominants and submissives online... statistically anyway.

JerryInTampa -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/31/2005 6:46:16 AM)
I'm likely not the target of the quesion, as I find strength (inlcuding intelligence) very appealing in a sub. It's not, however, the most important trait. Honesty, submission, obedience; there's a great deal that can compensate for a lack of physical or intellectual strength in terms of appeal.

WayHome -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/31/2005 11:20:55 AM)
Honesty definitely is the number one thing I look for. But then true honesty requires a certain amount of intelligence (especially EQ). One cannot tell the truth if she cannot determine the truth. Nothing is more frustrating than an sub who thinks she is telling you how she really feels and why when in fact she just lacks the introspection to see these things for herself and to be honest with herself. Leto

JerryInTampa -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (10/31/2005 12:14:42 PM)
For more than a decade, I've been helping friends, lovers, and mere aquaintences learn to do just that. Not so much out of deliberation, but out of a tendancy to be analytical and enjoy teaching others analytical though. Good post Leto Jerry

MasterRobert1 -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (11/1/2005 5:17:12 AM)
Personally, I think an intelligent sub/slave reflects well on a Dom/me. Intelligence is one of my main criteria for accepting or rejecting someone.

CitizenCane -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (11/2/2005 4:19:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRobert1 Personally, I think an intelligent sub/slave reflects well on a Dom/me. Intelligence is one of my main criteria for accepting or rejecting someone. Kinda like owning a porsche or Van Gogh's Sunflowers, eh? Personally, I'm content to be judged on my own merits.

Noah -> RE: Why don't you want an intelligent sub/slave? (11/2/2005 8:55:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WayHome Honesty definitely is the number one thing I look for. But then true honesty requires a certain amount of intelligence (especially EQ). One cannot tell the truth if she cannot determine the truth. Nothing is more frustrating than an sub who thinks she is telling you how she really feels and why when in fact she just lacks the introspection to see these things for herself and to be honest with herself. Leto I think WayHome has highlighted an important distinction. All the same I think that it can be described differently and in a way I personally find more productive. Sometimes my role is just to be utterly horrible. Not SSC, not RACK, just fucking sadistic. I enjoy that role and it has its fulfillments. In other relationships though, which have a mentoring component, one of the things I enjoy "training" a person to is that ability to distinguish feelings from thoughts, prejudices from impressions, etc. Weakness at this going in is notable. In fact it had better be noted because as WayHome's comments suggest it is a potential hellhole. But once recognized it can be seen as a surmountable limitation rather than a culpable failure nor even a disqualifying characteristic. It can be accepted as a challenge by the top and issued as a challenge--though presumably not explicitly--to the bottom. The inability WayHome talks about should probably be a red flag for everyone but maybe part of emotional edge play is a willingness to sometimes select a particular red flag to take in hand and do things with--hideous things or warm and fuzzy things--even while in almost all other cases giving red flag items the wide berth they generally warrant. I guess I mainly want to say that I prefer to view this inabilty as a failure of perception--specifically in terms of acuity,approximately--rather than fundamentally a matter that should fall under the heading of honesty. If you see it differently I have no desire to persuade you.

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