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Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 6:44:56 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Why is Vista so slow, honestly a shut down takes over a minute, similarly a start up takes much the same time, and now for some reason I have lost sound, it says I have not an audio output device installed, well I did have one before I defragged yesterday, now, no sound.

Aside from getting a better OS, is there anything I can do to speed this thing up ?

1gb, 1.67 mhz intel centrino duo


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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 6:48:23 PM   
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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 7:03:10 PM   
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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 8:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I did that and it is moving a bit quicker, but the base score dropped from 2.2 to 2.1, more RAM required I think, when I can afford it. The sound is still u/s though, mind, it was getting iffy for a while. I wondered why I was getting sounds after they were supposed to happen and random sounds for no apparent reason.like battery at critical when I had the power jack in, in fact, the power jack is hardly ever out.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 8:36:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am hating life with vista!  I need to do a backup... but it won't do it because of a couple of errors.  Then it keeps trying to do the backup.... grrrrrrr  I am ready to can the whole mess and go to xp, but then I lose all sorts of things.  Mine isn't slow... I like that... but the rest... forget it!

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 8:54:55 PM   
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Ubuntu.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 9:22:01 PM   
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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/7/2008 11:29:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know, 1 gb is not enough, I am seeing that now, but I didn't see when I bought the machine, I was hopping up from a win 98 celeron with 180mb Ram. 1gb I thought was loads.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 4:45:49 AM   
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If fargle bargle was around, he would give you the one word cure for vista:

Ubuntu.

Firm



Linux will be a viable alternative the day that Adobe offers native support for it for Photoshop.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 5:52:17 AM   
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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 9:19:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Depends how new your PC is, some of the hardware may have been specifically designed with Vista in mind and no device drivers exist for XP. I hear. You could get it to run but certain built in peripherals may no longer function.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 9:41:39 AM   
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If fargle bargle was around, he would give you the one word cure for vista:

Ubuntu.

Firm



Linux will be a viable alternative the day that Adobe offers native support for it for Photoshop.



Using Photoshop under Linux through WINE:

All version of Photoshop.

Photoshop CS2.

Photoshop 7.

Of course, if you are willing to learn another graphics program, one that was designed to run without WINE:

Gimp  (free)

Pixel ($32).

Discussion threads

Photoshop replacement for Linux

Installing Photoshop on Ubuntu Linux

Other

Google Search


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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 9:52:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I never understood the benefit of using Unix to emulate windows with WINE. Why would anyone think this more efficient?

The real question is what programmes can run in native Unix that anyone wants to use?

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 9:56:57 AM   
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1gb, 1.67 mhz intel centrino duo


this is part of your problem...your system is too slow.  i wasnt even aware that they still sell less than 2.2 ghz cpu's anymore....vista requires alot.

i run 2.4 ghz 2gb 800 mhz memory...but i use xp home...its great...i will never go vista.

they have a commercial here that has a pc vs mac... and pc's says "ive been error free for over a week...i've been error free for over a week...repeated"  when speaking about vista...

them commercials are funny shit.


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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 10:18:34 AM   
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I never understood the benefit of using Unix to emulate windows with WINE. Why would anyone think this more efficient?

The real question is what programmes can run in native Unix that anyone wants to use?


I gave links to two programs that run native in Unix/linux that do what Photoshop does.

The reason most people want to run a windows specific program under linux is usually because:

1.  They have a "learning investment" in the Windows program, and changing to a different program will entail learning the specific method and approach that the new program requires, or

2.  The Windows program was specifically written to perform some esoteric function that there is no comparable Linux program to do the same thing.

WINE is a free, non-Microsoft program which allows many Windows programs to run natively under Linux without any Microsoft licensed software.  It is designed to present the appearance of any version or flavor of Windows to the Windows based program (DOS, W95, W98, WXP, Vista, etc).

It does sometimes impose a performance reduction, but in comparison to the upgraded hardware required to run Vista, it's a tossup whether or not this makes a difference.

From the WINE site:

Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X, OpenGL, and Unix.

Think of Wine as a compatibility layer for running Windows programs. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely free alternative implementation of the Windows API consisting of 100% non-Microsoft code, however Wine can optionally use native Windows DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit for porting Windows source code to Unix as well as a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows programs to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris.
There are other ways to run Windows specific application as well, but these generally require that you have a valid Microsoft Windows license, and then you can run the program inside a virtual machine on top of the Linux OS.

But the real answer to your question about the "advantage" to running a Windows program under Linux is ... you shouldn't, if you can use a native Linux program.  Of which there are plenty to do almost anything you currently do.

You only run a Windows based program under Linux if you aren't capable of doing the specific function that your Windows program provides (rare) or you simply don't wish to bother to learn the replacement program.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 10:23:56 AM   
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this is part of your problem...your system is too slow.  i wasnt even aware that they still sell less than 2.2 ghz cpu's anymore....vista requires alot.

i run 2.4 ghz 2gb 800 mhz memory...but i use xp home...its great...i will never go vista.

they have a commercial here that has a pc vs mac... and pc's says "ive been error free for over a week...i've been error free for over a week...repeated"  when speaking about vista...

them commercials are funny shit.



Still haven't seen any of these Vista problems and I bought my machine abut 10 months ago.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 10:43:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LondonArt

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

If fargle bargle was around, he would give you the one word cure for vista:

Ubuntu.

Firm



Linux will be a viable alternative the day that Adobe offers native support for it for Photoshop.



Tru-dat.

Ye Olde "I need to run Photoshop" argument...

If you're PAYING for Photoshop, then you're likely using your computer for Commercial Use, and therefore can easily afford to pay for technical support and whatever hardware requirements your choices dictate. If not, re-examine your business model and don't whine about not wanting to pay for real support.

When the going gets tough, the pros buy a mac.

There's another good reason to stick to the inferior Windows environment. If there's a specific product which enables a desired/required workflow. I know of a photo-application which rocks, but is windows-only, but free, which does things in ways photoshop can't. *IF* I used that program, I'd need a windows box.

( I don't, do I don't, but that's beside the point of this example... )

The real point is that the OP asked for a superior O/S to Vista, and Ubuntu is one which meets that criteria.


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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 10:47:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: LondonArt

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

If fargle bargle was around, he would give you the one word cure for vista:

Ubuntu.

Firm



Linux will be a viable alternative the day that Adobe offers native support for it for Photoshop.



Using Photoshop under Linux through WINE:

All version of Photoshop.

Photoshop CS2.

Photoshop 7.

Of course, if you are willing to learn another graphics program, one that was designed to run without WINE:

Gimp  (free)

Pixel ($32).

Discussion threads

Photoshop replacement for Linux

Installing Photoshop on Ubuntu Linux

Other

Google Search


Firm




I've used the GIMP before, and while it's an okay backup alternative for machines without Photoshop, it really can't compete in terms of interface and a few areas of functionality. Not to mention just integrating with the rest of Creative Suite.

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RE: Arrrgh, M$ Vista again - 6/8/2008 10:56:32 AM   
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..i'm not expert user, but i managed to get a significent performance bump on 32 bit vista by getting an optimisation tool for my AMD dual core. As i understand it, dual core optimisation is a bit crap on the basic vista drivers. Also the cumulative sp1 pack is out for Vista....may be helpful?

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