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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 4:18:09 PM   
MissMagnolia


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Oh MsC, I SOO want a slave who will indulge my every whim and makes me watch tv, stuffing my face with chocolates. Goddammit, they are hard to find, lol.

OP, I did misread your post (thank you medication!) and didn't click that you both work full time. In a live in situation, my stance on housework is if both are working/not working, the housework should be shared. If one is working and the other not, the one at home does the lions share.

I should have added that I personally do all the cooking (including a lot of baking) and the kitchen never get's messy because I clean things up as I go along. At the end, all that needs to be done is loading the dishwasher. I also do all the laundry and lots of other things around the place. The work around here isn't arduous, as I am quite a tidy person.

As said by the other posters, perhaps your life is a little too busy and maybe you could set a little time foryour slave? He sounds like he is emotionally lonely in many ways. A lonely slave is rarely a happy slave, and an unhappy slave is not going to perform as well as he can. Even a plant has needs that must be taken care of, or they wither and die.



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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 5:49:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMarmalade1


he thinks that i should incorporate him picking up after me and tidying into our so-called sessions.  that i should use his weaknesses and his sub space to make him clean up around the house, basically that i shouldnt expect him to do anything, that i need to make it part of our play time.

(another way of putting it is: if we get slave X off the street to serve us, he comes to my house and i should tell him what to do.  but with my slave, this flat belongs to both of us, and i think as another person living in this house with me, he should do things automatically. however he wants me to put a collar around his neck and beat him, so he associates it all as part of the session) 



I can see where some say that the OP should pick up after herself, form better habits, etc... However, this part of her initial post says to me that isn't what he wants that at all, but rather to that he wants his duties to be incorporated into their D/s dynamic and not just expected of him as the man who shares a home with her. 

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 6:02:02 PM   
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I found the best thing that I did was establish regular routines and chores for him. 
He does the light housekeeping including laundry, floors, cooking.  If there is anything else that needs done on a particular day (say the bathrooms) I send him an email first thing in the morning (I am out the door before he wakes up).
he has got in the routine of IM'ing me at work also to let me know of his progress and to see if I had missed mentioning anything.

I first was under the same assumption- that he lived here and should know things need to be clean.  That was so very wrong of me, I brought on a submissive pet, not a mind reader...
And then there is the issue of the definition of clean (as you found out).  My paperwork tends to go all over... and that is the one thing that I do not want anyone touching but me- even if it stays in the way for a week.  He has learned that anything but papers are fair game, lol.

And the other thing?  I LET him be submissive... the more I expect him and let him be submissive, the better he does at it. 
(he is such a good wolf)

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 6:18:46 PM   
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I TOTALLY understand as I have just moved in with my boy (yes for those of you that followed - I've been off the boards for awhile, very busy, and moved in!). Real (vanilla) life takes over and D/s takes a back seat. We don't play nearly as often, but I do believe that the D/s foundation of our relationship has allowed it to be built with more open communication and trust than any other relationship I have ever experienced. When the relationship originally became serious, and therefore more vanilla in many ways, we agreed I would always have the last word. That alone is just not enough some times. I have the last word - tell him something I want, and yet it doesn't happen my way. I have decided that we MUST make time to session - for reward and punishment...but scenes don't have to be an hour long. If he has been really good, I will call him from the other side of the house - tell him to lie down on the ground, put on a new pair of stilettos and walk on him as if he isn't there. Trust me, for a boy with a Trample Fetish, this makes me his dream girls. If I have to repeat myself for something I want or don't feel like I am getting, instead of arguing or getting bitchy, I get out the bitch (my 4 strand leather whip) - he HATES that. It may be only for 5 minutes, he will be getting ready for bed - I don't even have to get dressed up. I just tell him firmly "on your knees" then put cuffs on, tie him to the bed, blindfold him, and whisper in his ear each thing that he did that pissed me off, and does he understand not to do it again - then WHACK! I hated the bickering, and the adjustment after moving in was hard, but since I have remembered our D/s roots, and made a very little bit of time for reward and punishment, things are much smoother and we are both very happy.

My advice for your situation would be to do the same: figure out what chores you want him to normally do as part of the "routine/regular/vanilla" lives. If he doesn't do it - use something he DOESN'T want as a punishment. If he LIKES for you to order him to clean things, then do that every once in a while, just as a reward for doing them without having to be told, or following whatever rules you have set.

Although it may seem like it is impossible to keep up the "roles" all the time, we are who we are. Simply dressing in leather corsets and thigh high boots is not what makes you Dominant. You are always his Mistress, in our out of a scene. You don't have to go all out for a session just to give him reward/punishment BDSM style and remind him of his place. Several others also hit the nail on the head though...with submissive men far outnumbering Dominant women - he really needs to understand how lucky he is. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to communicate, but should be careful complaining, and realize NOTHING is perfect, but many men would think what he has is far closer to perfection than they will ever get!

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 6:30:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BotanicalMiss

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMarmalade1


he thinks that i should incorporate him picking up after me and tidying into our so-called sessions.  that i should use his weaknesses and his sub space to make him clean up around the house, basically that i shouldnt expect him to do anything, that i need to make it part of our play time.

(another way of putting it is: if we get slave X off the street to serve us, he comes to my house and i should tell him what to do.  but with my slave, this flat belongs to both of us, and i think as another person living in this house with me, he should do things automatically. however he wants me to put a collar around his neck and beat him, so he associates it all as part of the session) 



I can see where some say that the OP should pick up after herself, form better habits, etc... However, this part of her initial post says to me that isn't what he wants that at all, but rather to that he wants his duties to be incorporated into their D/s dynamic and not just expected of him as the man who shares a home with her. 


We don't know how the first ignored attempt was phrased however.

quote:

this "issue" began as his alone, and he tried to communicate it to me, but it was hard for me to see it as a serious problem so i for the most part ignored it, which i admit, is my fault.


It's incredibly possible that asking to have chores included as part of play is his frustrated way of trying to get something done about it after having his previous communications ignored.  Choosing to use issue and problem implies that there was something bothering him and it was a problem rather than some kind of YKINMK scening request gone wrong.  Plus, I think we all have to look at what he's asking her to do... close the cabinets?  Don't leave things like suitcases on the floor instead of doing the normal cohabitating thing and asking the other person to do something about them/where they should go?  You would have to seriously stretch to incorperate the 2-30 seconds of work it would take for that into play even for someone who has some kind of housework fetish.  This seems much less like a D/s request than a cohabitating problem that the frustrated party is desperately trying to resolve before he snaps.


< Message edited by CuriousPuppy -- 6/9/2008 6:31:29 PM >

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/9/2008 6:54:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AtlantaMistress

I TOTALLY understand as I have just moved in with my boy (yes for those of you that followed - I've been off the boards for awhile, very busy, and moved in!). Real (vanilla) life takes over and D/s takes a back seat. We don't play nearly as often, but I do believe that the D/s foundation of our relationship has allowed it to be built with more open communication and trust than any other relationship I have ever experienced. When the relationship originally became serious, and therefore more vanilla in many ways, we agreed I would always have the last word. That alone is just not enough some times. I have the last word - tell him something I want, and yet it doesn't happen my way. I have decided that we MUST make time to session - for reward and punishment...but scenes don't have to be an hour long. If he has been really good, I will call him from the other side of the house - tell him to lie down on the ground, put on a new pair of stilettos and walk on him as if he isn't there. Trust me, for a boy with a Trample Fetish, this makes me his dream girls. If I have to repeat myself for something I want or don't feel like I am getting, instead of arguing or getting bitchy, I get out the bitch (my 4 strand leather whip) - he HATES that. It may be only for 5 minutes, he will be getting ready for bed - I don't even have to get dressed up. I just tell him firmly "on your knees" then put cuffs on, tie him to the bed, blindfold him, and whisper in his ear each thing that he did that pissed me off, and does he understand not to do it again - then WHACK! I hated the bickering, and the adjustment after moving in was hard, but since I have remembered our D/s roots, and made a very little bit of time for reward and punishment, things are much smoother and we are both very happy.

My advice for your situation would be to do the same: figure out what chores you want him to normally do as part of the "routine/regular/vanilla" lives. If he doesn't do it - use something he DOESN'T want as a punishment. If he LIKES for you to order him to clean things, then do that every once in a while, just as a reward for doing them without having to be told, or following whatever rules you have set.

Although it may seem like it is impossible to keep up the "roles" all the time, we are who we are. Simply dressing in leather corsets and thigh high boots is not what makes you Dominant. You are always his Mistress, in our out of a scene. You don't have to go all out for a session just to give him reward/punishment BDSM style and remind him of his place. Several others also hit the nail on the head though...with submissive men far outnumbering Dominant women - he really needs to understand how lucky he is. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to communicate, but should be careful complaining, and realize NOTHING is perfect, but many men would think what he has is far closer to perfection than they will ever get!


Things have really picked up in Ask a Mistress lately, many good threads.

Your post really sums it up for me. Yes, he is damned fortunate. i've come so close.....

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/10/2008 10:41:41 AM   
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thank you for all your comments on this thread. Many of them have really opened my eyes to the fact that I haven't been paying enough attention to my slave's needs.  We've been reading this thread together and discussing it.  for the record I need to add (and I am certainly not looking for a medal or anything for this) that dinners, laundry, vacuming, bathroom cleaning (including the toilet bowl and all around)is done by me. i don't expect him to do the heavy chores because I know he doesn't have the time (he works on saturdays, whereas i have the day off, and i get home generally 1.5 hours before him on weekdays).  I admit that i absolutely hate cleaning, but it must be done, so i do it.

i have realized tho that I haven't been giving him enough time to feel like a slave, rather than just a partner who closes cupboard doors.  he needed to feel that i appreciated him as my slave, doing particular duties for me (putting my shoes away as soon as he comes into the flat after work), and so I've started recognizing him doing these things more. 

I do still feel that as a slave he should just pick up after me without being told to, but I realize that he isn't a mind reader and we do need to discuss these things and what i really expect of him.  he doesn't have a house work fetish, so any house work I want done, I've accepted that I will have to order him to do it.  I will keep trying to improve because I think that my relationship with coca deserves it.  neither of us are perfect and we have room for improvements.

before I end, coca has a question he would like me ask to who ever would like to reply "If you do the house work in your home, how long do you spend doing the various chores (ie cooking, dishes, cleaning, laundry, etc)?"

thanks again,
Lady Marmalade and coca

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/10/2008 10:44:39 AM   
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Opps I replied using coca's account, anyways the post from coca is from me.

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/10/2008 12:19:18 PM   
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If you keep it up, and you have a small to moderate sized home (IE: 2 bedrooms, 2 bath or thereabouts), I don't think it's unreasonable to bet on spending an hour a day with a 2 hour segment on the weekend. If it falls behind, that's a whole different story. ;)

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RE: is it just me??? - 6/10/2008 2:30:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: coca
before I end, coca has a question he would like me ask to who ever would like to reply "If you do the house work in your home, how long do you spend doing the various chores (ie cooking, dishes, cleaning, laundry, etc)?"

thanks again,
Lady Marmalade and coca

  • Once every month or three I'll pull out the steam cleaner (I own one so no rental worries) and spend 10-20 minutes giving high traffic rooms like bedroom/livingroom a quick carpet cleaning.  I usually don't bother with moving the furniture but will do so at least once or twice a year for most stuff (couch/recliner chair sure, waterbed/solid wood dresser/entertainment center?  pfffffffffft!).  It really doesn't take much time and is pretty similar to vaccuming.  You can get a steam cleaner thing for 100-200$, it's slightly more work than using a vacuum since you have to deal wtih water/soap/emptying the container; but it keeps from having to do a huge amount of work with a rented steam cleaner later, does a nicer job cleaning, makes handling stuff that would stain the carpet easy before it can stain, and generally does a nicer job than just vacuming.  Buy a roomba if you want to vacuum more often, hit the button when the last person to leave goes to work and let it buz around while your gone.
  • Dishes vary depending on if I did any major cooking and what I used.  I have a fairly nice set of pans and enjoy cleaning them by hand and making them shiny generally.  Depending on what else is there, I either wash it quick or toss it in the dishwasher.  Total time 5-15 minutes give or take depending on messes.  If something is stuck/burned on, I just leave it sitting in water overnight and clean it the next day when it will slide off.
  • Cooking, again depends on what I make.  With a little planning it's easy to cook with a minimal amount of mess, tossing things in the sink and filling them with water while cooking (instead of letting batter/egg/etc dry on) helps considerably.  Likewise with glasses/mugs/bowls/etc, by the time you get to them they pretty much just need to be wiped out with the sponge and some soap barring stuff like cooked on cheese and such.
  • Laundry doesn't take long unless you need to go to a public/semipublic laundry place.  Toss some clothes in the washer, move them to the dryer in an hour or so, and fold them later on.  If you forget, just give them a spin for 10 minutes or so and they will unwrinkle for folding later.  Folding/hanging up only takes a couple minutes for each load of laundry unless your getting fancy.  It's also something that's easy to do while watching tv or waiting for the toaster to finish heating something crispy.
  • General dusting isn't too much of an issue for me but I'll wipe the fan blades off every couple months with a damp rag.
  • If you have tile/linolium floors, the swiffer sweep/mop make it easy to do a quick little mopping thing in under 5-10 minutes a room, generally you will need 1-2 mop pads per room in my experience.  The ability to attach a pad and simply throw it away without needing to deal with buckets or water and such takes most of the hassle out of mopping I find.  The sweeper pads work pretty nicely too.
  • Hang up one of the automatic shower cleaners in the shower and just hit the button a couple times a week after someone showers (it wants the shower to be wet) and you won't have to worry too much about the shower.  I keep a little scrubby brush on a stick in a bucket next/half behind the toilet and just scrub it once or twice a week real quick, that only takes a few seconds and keeps from needing to frequently do the toilet cleaning thing.  Sometimes I'll throw some bleach in the toilet.
  • It also helps a good bit to use the same glass/cup instead of getting a new one each time.  Just rinse out the cup, maybe stick some soap and warm water in it depending on what it was in there, and just leave it on the empty side of the sink.  If you are going to use it again, just give it a quick twirl of the sponge and rinse out the soap.  If you don't use it again, it's easy to clean up.  If you use 5 seperate glasses, two different coffee mugs, and three seperate wine glasses, that's quite a bit of work by comparison.
  • Buy a big thing of sponges, they go bad after a couple weeks/months depending on how often and how you use them.  If you can pick up the sponge and it smells like something other than the clorine in your tap water or soap then throw it away, they aren't that expensive.
  • Keep a couple rags hanging from the stove and wipe off any spills you make while cooking.  Yea if your browning meat it's going to splatter and need cleaning later; but if you dribble some kind of sauce on the counter or spill some cooked rice/oatmeal/etc on it, you can wipe it off now instead of when it gets sticky/stains/glues itself down.


    All said I maybe spend 0-15 minutes a day with some days going 30-40 minutes.  The biggest thing is to just do general picking up after yourself and it doesn't take much work to keep things mostly clean.  If you let it all pile up and wait till the end of the week "cause X is my cleaning day", then you will spend way too long doing it and hate it for sucking up a large chunk of the weekend only to leave you worn out when finished.

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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/10/2008 4:58:56 PM   
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    Just wanted to add that I usually only use the carpet thing on one room at a time.  You shouldn't really walk on the damp carpets for at least a few hours, and it would be unpleasant to clean multiple rooms at the same time with it.

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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/22/2008 10:08:22 AM   
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    I'm with "TexasMaam" and "MsCfromMelbourne" totally on this, In a house/apartment everyone has a certain responsibility.



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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/22/2008 6:30:05 PM   
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    I would make him a schedule of chores you expect completed daily, weekly and monthly.  You are not his playmate, you are the Mistress of the house.  I would use his neat freak fetish to your advantage.  I don't have much information but it sounds like this living arrangement is new. 

    I offer you a few suggestions that have worked for me...

    Have him undress you daily.  Have him fetch and return your art supplies like a good retriever would.  Also, if you need a private space to do your art in make that room off limits to him, lock him out or have him sit at the door waiting for you to exit.

    I do like you idea of bringing someone in off the street to clean.  Do you have a cage to keep your slave in while this is going on?

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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/22/2008 6:57:21 PM   
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    I think MsCfromMelbourne and CuriousPuppy made excellent points, and I have to agree with them. But a lot depends on how large your D/s umbrella is. If housework and keeping things picked up and organized was negotiated as part of the D/s relationship, then he should probably just grin and bear it. If it wasn't part of the D/s deal (and that's how it appears), then it's a different story, and as CuriousPuppy said, it's a living together fairly issue, not a D/s issue.

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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/22/2008 9:55:32 PM   
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    I'm still in shock that a submissive male actually met a dominant woman for a relationship.

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    RE: is it just me??? - 6/23/2008 12:26:18 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL:

    before I end, coca has a question he would like me ask to who ever would like to reply "If you do the house work in your home, how long do you spend doing the various chores (ie cooking, dishes, cleaning, laundry, etc)?"



    I am a complete neat freak and I love to cook but I also HATE feeling like my owner doesn't appreciate when I do those things. I want to do them not because he can't but because it is my way of giving him something of me, which is my time, my energy.
     
    I tend to do chores before I go to bed every night. I hate leaving dirty dishes in the sink or waking up to a messy house. I tend to spend a minimuim of an hour a day cleaning and once a week I will do extra things (ex. wiping down walls) and that takes me a half day at least.
     
    Blessed be,
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