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TexasMaam -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 4:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Watching a couple of hot guys play with eachother is one thing... The retards that demand over and over that you force them on another guy... that's not hot... it gets a little annoying. >>falls out of Her chair, laughing! I couldn't have said that any better. How Very True! TM

MzMia -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 5:47:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasMaam quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Watching a couple of hot guys play with eachother is one thing... The retards that demand over and over that you force them on another guy... that's not hot... it gets a little annoying. >>falls out of Her chair, laughing! I couldn't have said that any better. How Very True! TM It is one thing, if it is ALL my idea, and it is something very different when you tell me that is one of your desires, dreams or fetishes. If I bring it up that is one thing, if you are desiring me to "make" you suck a man's cock....that is a whole different subject.

bipolarber -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 5:56:10 PM)
As a bi male who has been a part of this sort of scene, I'd just like to point out a few things: 1) straight guys, doing this for the first time, are really BAD at it. Seriously, it's a little difficult to keep it up when the guy sucking you is approaching you like your meat is a three week old dead fish found in a river. 2) You have to be ready for the identity crisis that will surely follow. After he does something like this, he's going to have his self esteem/image deeply wounded. He'll be wondering if he is now irrevocably a "faggot." Sure, he'll have the crutch of having been "forced" into it, but that won't stop the possible violent reaction toward those he's played with. 3) Aftercare in this sort of scene is paramount. You can't just put someone through a fundamental shift in their orientation, without spending more time than usual to make sure they are secure with themselves after coming down. Just sayin'...

LadyPact -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 8:07:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: iwearpanties i was wondering if any Mistress / Domme would ever sya that truefully they enjoy makeing / seeing this act performed Haven't I already said that on more than one occasion?

hardbodysub -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 10:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard You can't make people do that which they don't want to do on some level. You may be able to make a person find something within themselves they didn't realise existed but that is it. Some might do it if they are on a humiliation high but if that is the case they'd probably regret it if when they came down from that high because it's something a lot of people struggle with and is something you can’t then just dismiss as a one off. The old "forced bi" topic. I actually agree to some degree with both sides. I do happen to feel that with some men, it is a hard limit, and a line that they will not cross. I also do not believe it is "forced" unless someone has a gun to your head. There are many things that many people can not be forced to do, as strange as it seems. This whole idea that because it's not truly forced, a sex act makes someone homosexual (or even bisexual) is complete BS. It fails on a couple levels: (1) the very definition of homosexual is that someone prefers the same gender, is attracted to the same gender for sex; performing an action doesn't make you homosexual, it's your preference that counts; (2) if "he's not really being forced" is your criteria for proof, then even a gun to his head doesn't qualify. A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference. Latent homosexuality is almost certainly behind some guys actually desiring "forced bisexuality", but not necessarily all of them. Here's a perfect analogy: I really don't like pain, but I can tolerate a good deal of it, and I am excited by a woman demonstrating her power by inflicting some pain on me. I'm not excited by the pain; I'm excited by her control over me. That does not make me a masochist. A masochist likes the pain in and of itself.

Untouched1282 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/22/2008 10:40:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard You can't make people do that which they don't want to do on some level. You may be able to make a person find something within themselves they didn't realise existed but that is it. Some might do it if they are on a humiliation high but if that is the case they'd probably regret it if when they came down from that high because it's something a lot of people struggle with and is something you can’t then just dismiss as a one off. The old "forced bi" topic. I actually agree to some degree with both sides. I do happen to feel that with some men, it is a hard limit, and a line that they will not cross. I also do not believe it is "forced" unless someone has a gun to your head. There are many things that many people can not be forced to do, as strange as it seems. This whole idea that because it's not truly forced, a sex act makes someone homosexual (or even bisexual) is complete BS. It fails on a couple levels: (1) the very definition of homosexual is that someone prefers the same gender, is attracted to the same gender for sex; performing an action doesn't make you homosexual, it's your preference that counts; (2) if "he's not really being forced" is your criteria for proof, then even a gun to his head doesn't qualify. A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference. Latent homosexuality is almost certainly behind some guys actually desiring "forced bisexuality", but not necessarily all of them. Here's a perfect analogy: I really don't like pain, but I can tolerate a good deal of it, and I am excited by a woman demonstrating her power by inflicting some pain on me. I'm not excited by the pain; I'm excited by her control over me. That does not make me a masochist. A masochist likes the pain in and of itself. Extremely well said!

TwoNYCDommes -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 3:44:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats "Straight" is a total absence of same-sex desire and/or sexual activity. Some define it based on desire, others define it based on activity. You are free to define it with an "and/or," but to state a definition as if it is an absolute, when even many dictionaries disagree with you seems a bit silly. quote: ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats It's kind of like... being a vegetarian. Once there's meat in your mouth, your status changes. If a domme required her otherwise vegetarian sub to eat meat once or twice, I wouldn't have any problem with him continuing to call himself a vegetarian. Most vegetarians have eaten meat at one point or another in their lives.

cloudboy -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 5:51:19 PM)
The first question is: is three company or a crowd? To me this question is about a whole lot more than the phallic act itself.

MzMia -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 5:53:38 PM)
We can agree to disagree, here. I believe that submissves and slaves have things called "hard limits". [sm=hellno.gif] As odd as this may seem, there are many men that will not engage in this {and other} activities because they are "hard limits". There is nothing wrong with having " hard limits". I would not want a person that did not have any "hard limits". As a Dominant, I have "hard limits". My mind is made up on this one, and I am sure your's is also. We are all free to view things as we like, and to agree to disagree on issues. There is nothing wrong with men that want to do this activity, and there is also nothing wrong with those that say [sm=hellno.gif]. I would just hope that all {hard limits} are respected.

hardbodysub -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 6:27:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We can agree to disagree, here. I believe that submissves and slaves have things called "hard limits". [sm=hellno.gif] As odd as this may seem, there are many men that will not engage in this {and other} activities because they are "hard limits". There is nothing wrong with having " hard limits". I would not want a person that did not have any "hard limits". As a Dominant, I have "hard limits". My mind is made up on this one, and I am sure your's is also. We are all free to view things as we like, and to agree to disagree on issues. There is nothing wrong with men that want to do this activity, and there is also nothing wrong with those that say [sm=hellno.gif]. I would just hope that all {hard limits} are respected. So just what/who do you think you're disagreeing with? You didn't say anything that contradicts my comments.

MzMia -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 6:32:22 PM)
A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference. I didn't mention the gun, and I don't think a man should stay with a Mistress that makes him break his "hard limits". If it is not a limit, than go for it!

CoasttoCoast -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 8:27:24 PM)
i cannot believe that this is debated, like clockwork, once a month. and not even just.. brought up and then someone goes "OLD!" and then put to rest no people re-debate it

MzMia -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 8:29:57 PM)
Believe it, it is the most popular topic on this board.

WyldDomme74 -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 8:57:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: I see things in black and white that is probably the problem here. That makes a handy segue for mentioning the Kinsey Scale. Kinsey argued that men are neither exclusively straight nor gay, but fall somewhere on a scale from zero to six as follows: 0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual 1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual 2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual 3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual 4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual 5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual 6- Exclusively homosexual A zero might find that no depth of submission would enable him to suck another guy's cock. A one or a two might do it as part of submission/humiliation, even if he wasn't turned on by the act itself. Two important notes: (a) I think the scale measures activity rather than orientation. (b) I don't know whether the same scale applies to women. I would agree, and I think it probably does pertain to women as well. I am a bi woman but I would say its 60/40-toward men. I think you have straight at one end of the spectrum and gay at the other and alot of shades in between. To me if you are attracted to the same sex at all you at least have bi leanings. for example even if someone does gay porn but is straight off the set, that at least for me is bi-situational. If you are trying out things to see where your limits are, that is a different thing all together. Just my opinion.

CoasttoCoast -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/23/2008 9:03:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Believe it, it is the most popular topic on this board. s'cool by me. encouraged bi is goddamn hot. I'm just not sure how the debate holds anyones interest.

ElanSubdued -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/24/2008 1:45:46 PM)
Coupleofwhats, quote: "Straight" is a total absence of same-sex desire and/or sexual activity. It's kind of like... being a vegetarian. Once there's meat in your mouth, your status changes. I must say I was rather amused by your double entendre. Touche. :-) As for your operational definition, this works for you and that's fine. I have no same-sex desire, but that doesn't mean I don't know what feels good, to me. Therefore, I raise the definition one level of abstraction so that it still characterizes who I am and yet accurately describes what potential partners might want to know about me. quote: And, frankly... if you enjoy giving blowjobs... that's having a sexual interest in men. Nothing wrong with it: do whatever you like. Just realize that's not what being straight means. I wholeheartedly disagree with you. My preferences don't fit your definition and that's fine, for you. However, for me, I don't desire sexual or romantic relationships with men. Thus, it would be inaccurate and unfair of me to say that I did. quote: I just think it's unfortunate that people feel the need to hide behind dommes in order to express their interest in men. Skip the middle man and do what it is you actually want to do. Who said anything about hiding behind a Domina? I've never had one present during such a scene, but it would be damn sexy hot if my Domina wanted to watch. Then again, I'm just as happy never to partake again. So yes, you can see how extremely rigid definitions don't really work for me. Elan.

ElanSubdued -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/24/2008 1:51:58 PM)
hardbodysub, Your post is so on target that I've decided to quote it one more time for posterity. quote: This whole idea that because it's not truly forced, a sex act makes someone homosexual (or even bisexual) is complete BS. It fails on a couple levels: (1) the very definition of homosexual is that someone prefers the same gender, is attracted to the same gender for sex; performing an action doesn't make you homosexual, it's your preference that counts; (2) if "he's not really being forced" is your criteria for proof, then even a gun to his head doesn't qualify. A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference. Latent homosexuality is almost certainly behind some guys actually desiring "forced bisexuality", but not necessarily all of them. Here's a perfect analogy: I really don't like pain, but I can tolerate a good deal of it, and I am excited by a woman demonstrating her power by inflicting some pain on me. I'm not excited by the pain; I'm excited by her control over me. That does not make me a masochist. A masochist likes the pain in and of itself. Sometimes it's the woman commanding and me watching the pleasure she receives from my acquiescence. Other times it's something else. Sometimes it's just the cock itself. Cocks are powerful, spiritual leaders. And yes, some people are sexually and/or romantically attracted to men. It's a rather complex set of dynamics that are not easily explained with a single, rigid definition. I know quite a few straight women who kiss and play with one another, because it suits their mood to do so. These women are not bisexual nor lesbian. So there you go. Another instance of "one definition doesn't work for all". Elan.

MISTRESSKUMA -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/24/2008 5:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued Cocks are powerful, spiritual leaders. Are you nuts, pretty boy? You mean your piss pump is a powerful leader?? And a spiritual leader???????????? [:D] your too funny. Your cock is a piss pump that your fertilizer passes through.[:D]

Araven -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/24/2008 10:24:59 PM)
I consider myself fairly strait, with not an interest in men. Then again, my own definitions of what makes a person strait, gay or bi can be debated. If my Mistress wanted me to suck cock, I dont believe that makes me "gay" or "bi", perhaps maybe bi-curious. The same goes for the opposite. What if my Mistress got another male to suck my cock? Sometimes a mouth is just a month, and genitals are just genitals. Pleasure is pleasure... If you are blindfolded, would you be able to tell if it was a boy or girls lips and mouth around the cock? Probably not. It took me a while to relize that is is about experiances and broadening your horizens. Sometimes your Mistress just wants to give you what She can not in terms of play and experiances. Thank you, Joy's pet.

hardbodysub -> RE: heterosexual males sucking cock (6/25/2008 3:21:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference. I didn't mention the gun, and I don't think a man should stay with a Mistress that makes him break his "hard limits". If it is not a limit, than go for it! ??? So what? Searching for some logic here, and I can't find it. You didn't mention the gun? What is that supposed to mean? And I never said anything about hard limits. You're not disagreeing with my post, in fact your comments have nothing to do with mine.

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