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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/6/2005 1:48:44 PM   
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Holy cow! i NEVER would have guessed this could be done safely. i learn something every time You post, Sir. Please forgive my ignorance.
Please try to keep this moment in mind the next time you think of tarring and feathering an activity you know nothing about.

~stef


i will, stef; but be patient with me too; i have so much to learn.

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 8:40:00 AM   
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No one -- including DomButNotForgotten -- has suggested we need any more supervision than we already get.


Really? Thats odd - since every word of the post was a call for sstricter supervision, stricter control and more shutting down of things he thought was "bad".

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The boards are supervised by Mods; the chat rooms have Ops. It sounds like the chat room DBNF was in was either unsupervised atm or the Op fell alseep at the switch; because He should not have been attacked for saying "that is unsafe".


You know, somehow I doubt seriously that that is how that conversation happened :)

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aware of this. So, in a sense, we do have an "official group" who censors us.


No, "we" don't. The people who run these forums (rightly) control their space. But this forum is not the totality of my life, my communication or "the community". They control their space, they do not censor "us".

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Remind me again how it is the consertives that are in favor of the government controling your life?


You're just going to ruin things if you bring facts into any of this :)

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 8:50:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to make a few comments. Given that I am not living in the US or a citizen, I have no influence what so ever on the politicians down there.

However, it is not the record keeping bill that the anti-porn squad is using. Not from what I have been reading. There is a movement to target BDSM and related material.

Next, if you really do not think one or two people can influence a government or a corporation, you are not paying attention. Two ladies forced Time Magazine to remove it’s 50th anniversary of the bra issue, due to their objection to the picture on the front page. Yes, this is an oversimplification. The issue was not recalled, but stores were forced to hide the issue. And less was shown on the cover then in the Victorian Secret catalogue, OR the last Wal-Mart flyer. The two women took offence and bang! What was done was done.

Sadism and masochism were de-listed by the American Psychiatrist Assoc. a few years ago. But until then it was listed as deviant and dangerous behaviour. As was homosexuality way back when. With the gains BDSM is making in the public eye through TV i.e. CSI, Kink, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, in novels such as the Anita Blake series, Gerald’s Game by King and so on, there was bound to be a back lash. That doesn’t mean we should take it lying down. Sure, fight it. You never know what you can do until you try.

Try contacting the author of the Anita Blake series (Laurell K Hamilton) and seeing if she is worried or willing to write something for you. Or the stars of the Secretary or… you would be surprised how some of these people will lend their names and writings out. If it is something they believe in.

I do a website for a BDSM group in my home town. I am worried about how what is happening will affect us up here. Many of us are. To be honest, many countries look to the US to lead them. After all you are seen as the birth place of true freedom.

Our prayers and sacrifices are with you…(ok the sacrifices part was a joke… mostly LOL)
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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 12:11:06 PM   
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Our prayers and sacrifices are with you…(ok the sacrifices part was a joke… mostly LOL)
Tony


TY for Your support, Tony.

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 1:07:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been considering this issue of freedom, privacy, and villifacation of alternative sexual practices. A lot of what I've read in the responses falls under A. fight the system B. change the system or C. fuck the system.


While it is certainly fair to oppose these propositions solely on the fact that We Don't Like It, it's clear that what we like/want doesn't matter. At least for now.

I don't know if this would actually work on a large scale, but my approach when dealing with something I don't agree with and want to change is to make the rules impractical for the other side.

I am not a religious person (and this is not meant to offend those of you who are), but I could conceivably be put off or offended by the blatant 'advertising' of many places of worship. What if I am fundamentally opposed to seeing a Christian cross, or a Star of David prominently displayed on buildings I have to drive past every day? What if I didn't want my unmentionables to even see these symbols and become curious? Religion and it's trappings can be very much 'in your face', but it's protected - even though I may not see any value in it.

If I am a devoted vegan and animal rights activist, I could arguably be sickened by the sight of butcher shops and meat markets in my neighborhood. I could be disgusted by the 'Eat more chikin' ads I see everywhere. I could demand that my family not be exposed to such things in school or in public because they contradict my beliefs. But that's not going to happen; meat-eaters and producers/vendors are protected - despite the fact that I may see no value in it.

I could demand that revealing clothing like minis, bikinis and crop tops be removed from stores so my daughter can't have access to them. I could insist that no one be allowed to drive any vehicle that doesn't get at least 35 mpg because it's environmentally irresponsible. I could be appalled at tv shows like SG1 or Star Trek because my beliefs don't support space exploration or the existence of life outside of earth, and demand they not be aired.

All of these things are 'protected' because people essentially have a choice in taking part in them. The same can be said of BDSM and so-called 'obscenity'.

As a matter of fact, nearly ALL of the things I mentioned above are things I HAVE to see everyday - I don't get a choice in being exposed to it. The only thing I DON'T have to see everyday, and have a choice in seeing, is sexually explicit material. Go figure.

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 1:39:47 PM   
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Given that I am not living in the US or a citizen,


I wish we had more folks like you here in the U.S. Tony.
It's all about believing that you can make a difference.
If you don't think you can...you're right and you won't.
If you do think you can...you're right and you will.
Thank you for your interest and your support.


Peace,
cathy

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/7/2005 10:39:37 PM   
Phoenxx


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Status: offline 		Thank you cathy,
I have fought city hall a few times where I live. I've won a few and lost a few. One thing I have learnt, is that while a big bank account can help, it is not always necessary.
Here is something that might help too. One of the weapons inspectors sent to check out Saddam before the current mess started was into BDSM and was ousted from the dungeon so to speak. They couldn’t do a thing to him about it.
The thing to remember is that they are not attacking BDSM, but it’s pictures and literature. Base your work on that. Nor on an attack on the lifestyle as a whole. If you make it about the lifestyle you may have a harder fight. But if you make it out to be an attack on literature and art, you may find support in weird places LOL…
Just imagine how much art could be removed if rabid haters of the portrayal of the wonders of the human form are allowed the only voice. How about books, including medical pages that promote sex education. Now that is not likely to happen, but IF PEOPLE believe it is….
Spin .. spin … spin…. LOL … the news says what we want it to say.. not what it really means to say…..
Tony

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/8/2005 4:21:41 AM   
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Here is something that might help too. One of the weapons inspectors sent to check out Saddam before the current mess started was into BDSM and was ousted from the dungeon so to speak. They couldn’t do a thing to him about it.


Jack was hardly "ousted." He's still active in the scene and welcome in every venue I know of. Do you mean "outed?"

While Hans Blix supported Jack, Jack's consulting business has suffered from the outing. It wasn't a "no harm" situation.

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/8/2005 4:50:01 AM   
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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/8/2005 4:57:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I meant ousted in the fact that his lifestyle was made public.
According to the newspapers there was a challenge to his being "over there", but he could not be penalized for his sexual practices.
Of course I do not know him personally, and have no idea why his business is suffering now.
I do know that a couple here appeared in a local newspaper, page 2, in an article and a picture (3/4 page). His company informed him that if anyone harassed him about it, to let management know and they would take action on his behalf. His Mistress, an LPN, has had no trouble at all.
Tony

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/8/2005 2:38:53 PM   
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go to the canadian consulate in the nearest town. Fill out an immigration application for British Columbia.

The canadian Gov has decided to limit immigration to 247,000 people next year.

The supreme court of BC allready has decided this summer that BDSM i NOT obscene and therefore free from prosecution.

Next kink party is on Saturday.......see you all there my poor fellow kinksters from The Fatherland of the United States..

cheers


Marquis

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/9/2005 7:33:48 AM   
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ADVICE:
go to the canadian consulate in the nearest town. Fill out an immigration application for British Columbia.
The canadian Gov has decided to limit immigration to 247,000 people next year.
The supreme court of BC allready has decided this summer that BDSM i NOT obscene and therefore free from prosecution.
Next kink party is on Saturday.......see you all there my poor fellow kinksters from The Fatherland of the United States..
cheers
Marquis

Manitoba is looking for people too!!!!!! And we have kink events every couple of weeks in one form or another
edited for a spelling error... one error out of 20 words... and it's not Monday


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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/10/2005 1:02:24 AM   
Marquisd


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Kink land of the universe.

WTG Manitoba.

New immigrants are charged one flogger entry fee ????


cheers

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/10/2005 1:32:11 AM   
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Canada .. land of the mostly sort of kinda free.. but always kinky!!!!!
Not much else to do up here in the Winter Eh!?

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/10/2005 10:14:51 AM   
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This is what i think: individuals get all lathered up by smoking because smokers are generally polite and will put out a cigarette or move away if asked..


Guess I have been living in a different world.

Just yesterday a smoker dumped their ashtry on the pavement while waiting for the light to turn green. I got out of my truck and scooped up the butts and threw them back onto his lap.

At my work place, smokers go outside to smoke; then throw their butts on the pavement, eventhough there is a butt can next to them. I think most smokers believe little green men come out at night and clean up their messes.

Are there polite smokers? Are there smokers who do not throw their butts on the ground and out the car window? Yes; but they are the EXCEPTION.

As for NCSF; they have a great plan and a terrific agenda; but they do NOT have a clue as to the use of media. Why do they continue to put ugly lesbians on TV as the spokespersons? Research shows that attractive people are more believable and their message is more likely to be listened to. Why do you think major networks and local ones put attractive people on to read the news and sports?

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/10/2005 11:16:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		OOOOOOOO, and socalized medicine as well. Hummm.is any part of Canada warm all year?

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/12/2005 9:45:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, BC is mild all year.. and Manitoba is if you stay inside during Jan and Feb... LOL
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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/14/2005 11:16:19 AM   
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As for NCSF; they have a great plan and a terrific agenda; but they do NOT have a clue as to the use of media. Why do they continue to put ugly lesbians on TV as the spokespersons?


Howdy lovingmaster,

I can't speak for official NCSF policy since I'm not on the Board, but for most national TV and radio interviews and the like, Susan Wright is the voice and face of the NCSF. Why? I imagine that it's because she is one of the NCSF's founders, and our official spokesperson.

I wasn't aware she was a lesbian (not that her orientation has anything to do with her ability as a spokesperson), and personally, I think she's a hottie. Certainly much better looking than I am. I don't know who you've seen speaking for NCSF other than Susan, but my guess would be that if it's a _local_ news story airing on a _local_ station, it's the _local_ group's Coalition Partner Representative, or perhaps one of our Educational Outreach Program volunteers.

Neither Susan nor the NCSF have the resources to appear everywhere for every incident. We use real people on the ground, already on the scene whenever possible. Unfortunately, NCSF can't be selective in accepting volunteers based on how photogenic they may be. Groups select their own reps, NCSF doesn't get a say in the matter. So you might want to bring this failure to properly utilize the "cuteness factor" to the attention of your local group if they selected an "ugly lesbian" to represent the group to the NCSF (or the rest of the world via the media).

YIK,
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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/14/2005 11:20:59 AM   
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Yes, BC is mild all year.. and Manitoba is if you stay inside during Jan and Feb... LOL
Tony


Obviously your definition of "mild" and mine are different! *LOL* But then again I consider living anyplace that averages more than 1/2" (roughly 1.27 cm) of snow a year a "hard limit" and won't do it!

YIK,
- Geoff

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RE: Protecting 1st Amendment Rights - 11/26/2005 12:07:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I am not supprised by this i kinda knew this was going to happen. HELLO guess who has the more power churches or state
its all political. when the interent took off bdsm became a fashion icon. then we started pushing it down nillas throats. and we just kept pushing and pushing saying our rights our rights our rights it was ok but one huge problem we forgot one thing there rights Not to hear us go on about what we do sexually All i can say is we over did it folks porn internet fashion yep we just pushed the wrong people thinking we had the right to be sexually provocitive in public anyway we want with out the concern or rights of familys or children. i would sugest people pay attention to history and quit trying to redifine a country whos ideas are set for the good of all and not the good of the one :) just a point view

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