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undergroundsea -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:05:57 PM)

I favor synergy and think a balance of the feminine and masculine is the best scenario both at an individual and a collective level.

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ORIGINAL: MsStarlett
So yes, I believe that females, on the whole, are superior to males because we have always HAD to be better.


Indeed women have had to overcome challenges to seek greater equality. It is not clear to me how overcoming these challenges equates to superiority. I am wondering if what you are saying is that because women's ability was doubted, they had to outperform men--rather than perform at par with them--in order to shatter the doubts about their ability. If so, then the following thoughts come to mind.

1. It is not clear to me how much women had to outperform men versus how much women had to succeed or perform at par with men when expected to fail in order to shatter the doubts. Still, for the sake of discussion let's assume women had to outperform men.
2. Generally such doubts are first shattered by individual achievers of an underrepresented group. That is, not every member of an underrepresented group outperforms the average but some do, which begins to shatter doubts and stereotypes. There are individuals from all groups who outperform the average.
3. I think motivation (drive) acts as an uncontrolled variable in this examination. Comparing the accomplishments of one out to prove something to that of another who is not does not suggest to me a basis for generalizing the respective performances across the groups to which each individual belongs.

Therefore, I am not convinced the reasoning above makes an argument for gender superiority any more than it does for racial superiority of minorities who have had to overcome similar odds. I think the accomplishment of an underrepresented group to overcome challenges and doubts is specific not to a sex but to humans in general.

Cheers,

Sea



MzMia -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:16:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: khem

I think that many people do not actually believe that either gender is superior-they just enjoy acting as if it were true.


This is exactly how I feel, and as I always state, "I am only supreme over my submissive".
No one else in the world.
Funny, most of BDSM is play, fantasy, etc.
What makes this aspect any more or less important than any other aspect? {Daddy/daughter/ Master/slave, etc?}
 
Is he really your daddy?  Is she really a slave?  Are you really a Master?  wtf?
If people can be daddies, slaves, Masters, babies, etc.
Then surely I can be a Female Supremacist.
Also, if you like it...fine.
If not, fine.
Viva la difference!
Are we all supposed to be the same, and like the same kinks?
I hope not!

I am not only a Female Supremacist, I am also a Queen!
[sm=mrpuffy.gif]



MissMagnolia -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:20:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: smothered69

I felt this would be the best place for this question. What are the reasons behind the belief of female supremacy? I am not asking this to mock or anger, but instead to understand more. I myself currently, do not believe in female or male supremacy. Thanks


It's actually fairly simple math smothered69.....

They're prettier, they smell better, they look FAR better in a dress than you or I ever will....and....the big one....

They have tits.

(As far as I can tell....that pretty much sews up the game).


Awwwwwwwww Grizzles, ya old romantic you!![:D]

I don't believe in gender supremacy at all. It's a silly concept that got stomped on years ago. As it should have been. I also don't believe in the whole "I'm a big bad domme/dom and you must all bow before me" crap either. I have lots of gorgeous sub girlies and fellas on my friends list. I don't consider them, trying to think of a word, can't think of one, so will use "less than" me any way.




submale4u2spank -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:26:45 PM)

It's more of a game people play during a scene than anything anyone really believes in.  It's pretty hard to find people that really beleive that other in group X should be oppressed by the government, or atleast people that will admit to it.  Other than Obama that is.



MzMia -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:28:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: submale4u2spank

It's more of a game people play during a scene than anything anyone really believes in.  It's pretty hard to find people that really beleive that other in group X should be oppressed by the government, or atleast people that will admit to it.  Other than Obama that is.


For me, it is a game a role, and it is fun.
Many complain and bitch about "Female Supremacy", I am like get
the fuck over it.
I don't hear the endless bitching over those that are calling themselves "Masters, slaves,
dogs, cats, ponies,Daddies, little girls, little boys, Queen of Egypt. etc.

My kink might not be YOUR kink, but who the hell said we are all alike?



Lovearts -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:56:18 PM)

I believe in the superiority of individuals through their actions and the way they adress life and those around them.

i do not feel sex has a bearing on this. However, when it comes to female supierority, i think it can apply more to the enjoyment and comfort in the idea, rather than it actually being true. This can be said about alot of things, right down to how we ourselves identify as Dominant, or Submissive or even Switch, and how much we love that identification and self realization.

Now when we enact on them, this makes them a reality to a degree, but there are contextual considerations to be made about that reality, such as a sub isn't submissive to just anyone, however is submissive to their dominant, and that those urges are there. Simularly Female supremecy applys in certain contextual aspects aswell, only it is up to people to find the specifics for themselves or if they apply at all.



Leatherist -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 9:58:04 PM)

Is as does, if your power comes from others-you have none.



Shawn1066 -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 10:07:03 PM)

Well, I think there's also a difference between playing with the concept of female supremacy and living it.  Of course it's alright to believe in female supremacy in regards to your -personal- dynamic with your partner.  That can be as real as you want it to be.  That's your right.  We agree on that, of course.

For people to actually believe it and live their lives by it...  That's their right just as much as it's somebody's right to be a white or a black supremicist, or a male supremicist.  It's something they can do, but it's also something that other people don't have to believe in and they also have a right to be offended by it.

As I've said, supremacy that's based entirely upon chance rather than on somebody's personal merits really belongs back in the Stone Age.  If you replace Patriarchy with Matriarchy, the plumbing on the people in power merely changes.  The problem with Patriarchy isn't the fact that males are in control, it's the fact that one gender has, by and large, more control over another.  It's not a problem of gender, it's a problem of power.  If you change genders, nothing changes...there would still be an unequal division of power...and -that's- the problem.  So, in essence, it's my belief that a Matriarchy would just be a Patriarchy of a different kind, and it'd have all of the same problems.

Just my $0.02
DV's Fox



shimson -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 10:21:49 PM)

 i do think that female are smarter becouse we are thinking from our "joystick" , and only if the joystick is calm we are thinking from the brain, its not a thing to be proud off, however its something that easy to manipulate.
thats why some of the storgest man ware  conquered by womem (yael,delilah..)
i also do think  that if the world was ruled by females it was a better place with a lot less wars, since its another ascpet of this  joystick thing .




Wickad -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/11/2008 11:27:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Is as does, if your power comes from others-you have none.


I couldn't agree with this more!

This also could be why I have such a problem with FS as practiced by women like Elise Sutton.  She seems to focus on power as derived from how sexually appealing a man finds a woman.  This means that if a man doesn't find a woman sexually appealing that the woman in question has no power.  The power she exercises is not her own but rather borrowed from those that 'allow' her to dominate them.

The whole idea annoys me.

Wickad



MzMia -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/12/2008 7:44:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lovearts

I believe in the superiority of individuals through their actions and the way they adress life and those around them.

i do not feel sex has a bearing on this. However, when it comes to female supierority, i think it can apply more to the enjoyment and comfort in the idea, rather than it actually being true. This can be said about alot of things, right down to how we ourselves identify as Dominant, or Submissive or even Switch, and how much we love that identification and self realization.

Now when we enact on them, this makes them a reality to a degree, but there are contextual considerations to be made about that reality, such as a sub isn't submissive to just anyone, however is submissive to their dominant, and that those urges are there. Simularly Female supremecy applys in certain contextual aspects aswell, only it is up to people to find the specifics for themselves or if they apply at all.




Very well stated young man!
I peeked at your profile, and you have insight beyond your years.
Those twice your age have not figured this out.
Come out and play more often cutie pie.[;)]
Great post!



Steponme73 -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/12/2008 8:33:32 AM)

I think female superiority is a state of mind.  There are things that men do well and there are things that women do well.  I think overall women are more in touch with people.  They have more insight, to them and others.  I think women are higher up on the ladder like in Maslow's theory.  Men are more basic.  We don't ask alot of questions, we don't want to know alot of details.  Just give us the information we need and let us get on with what we are suppose to be doing.  Women on the other hand want details, they want to know all they can....I think that is what makes them harder to understand.  They are on a completely different level mentally than men...



Aiden -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/13/2008 1:42:16 PM)


Female--or male--supremacy  isnt a theory that stands up to scrutiny.  There is too much variation among individuals in traits and talents to make broad generalisations.  Even in  instances where a statistical correlation between gender and certain traits can be found the differences tend to be complimentary.  Is yin superior to yang or vice versa?  And it means nothing when it comes down to individuals.

That said, there are other levels upon which to relate to female supremacy than the social one.  For a slave whose path it is to see his Mistress as the embodiment of a Goddess, female supremacy may be very real.  He realizes shes a human woman and as such subject to imperfection or even folly but thats irrelevant. Hes dedicated himself to a vision of Woman and to serve.  
I believe the answer to the question of female supremacy is -- that depends on your point of view. 

~aiden





subtex -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/13/2008 6:22:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aiden


Female--or male--supremacy  isnt a theory that stands up to scrutiny.  There is too much variation among individuals in traits and talents to make broad generalisations.  Even in  instances where a statistical correlation between gender and certain traits can be found the differences tend to be complimentary.  Is yin superior to yang or vice versa?  And it means nothing when it comes down to individuals.



I don't know, isn't the female supremacy argument inherently a generalization?  I never took it as an argument that all women are better than all men.  Maybe some people think that way I don't know.  It doesn't seem like a defensible position.  There are some generalizations I'm comfortable with.  Men are generally taller than women,  they generally send out more annoying emails, more likely to leave the seat up (okay that last one doesn't count).

I don't generally believe in female supremacy because like a lot of you I have a vague karmic belief that things balance.  While I believe men and women are equal that doesn't mean I don't think they are different from each other in some ways (in general).  Yeah women commit crimes.  As many as Men?  No, men have that one covered.  Is that a reason to say women are superior?  Not to me.  Most men don't commit crimes either.  But to answer the OP question I think this is core of why some believe in female supremacy.  While a lot of us believe things balance out, others put more weight on so called feminine traits and prefer the womans way.  To their mind women are better.  Maybe not too different from believing romantic comedies are better than action movies.  At least that's my uninformed opinion.

There's still the problem that placing one group over another smacks of dark things from our past (and present sadly) but since there's no doubt we live in a male-dominated world it doesn't have an ominous ring to it for me.  Maybe I should be against that on general principles but I'm not worried that while I'm snoozing someday I'll wake up on Planet Femdom (but why would I worry?) :)   Still though, more women are going to college than men.  That could be because there are more women than men.  But if men and women are equal and they have us outnumbered maybe we could find ourselves in female-dominated world.  I don't think things would be better or worse but I bet it would be different.
Bill




sunshinemiss -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/13/2008 8:07:33 PM)

women bleed and don't die (that was magical before medical understanding)
women generally handle pain better than men
women live longer
women are able to give life
women are 51% of the population
all babies start out female

now, this is all off the top of my head - some anectdotal, some vague recollection from gender classes from college... take it with a grain of salt.

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MaamJay -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/13/2008 9:13:18 PM)

I just think it's hilarious when subby boys approach Me as if I am a Female Supremacist ... and then are totally flummoxed to learn that i am also sub to a male Master who is even 15 years younger than me! Bang goes that theory ...

Maam Jay aka violet[A]



undergroundsea -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/14/2008 7:45:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtex
I don't know, isn't the female supremacy argument inherently a generalization?  I never took it as an argument that all women are better than all men.  Maybe some people think that way I don't know.


I enjoy female supremacy at the BDSM level. By female supremacy I mean an environment where women have a superior status: femdom parties, etc. That said, there is something to be said about fantasy and reality. While such an environment sounds delightful, I know from experience that an unreciprocated interest or other circumstances can make for an awkward energy. Thus, in reality there can be circumstances that can make the fantasy scenario different.

Some people do indeed intellectually believe in female superiority, which is where I differ. While I am open to hearing the idea and intelligently discussing it, I do not believe in it. I find the arguments I have seen given to support this idea uncompelling. Like you, I have a (to use your term) karmic belief that the masculine and feminine bring a snyergy where the sum exceeds the parts.

Cheers,

Sea



undergroundsea -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/14/2008 7:51:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
women live longer


For men who want to live longer (and women who want their men to live longer), I recall reading an article about the effect of iron in men's diet. Per that article, a high presence of iron in the blood accumulated over the years increases odds of infections and various medical issues associated with men. This issue affects women less because menstruation helps reduce these iron levels.

So, that article suggested that men should regulate their iron levels. But if you love your steaks and red meat, an alternate approach is to find a partner who enjoys blood  play so you bloodlet frequently ;-)

Cheers,

Sea



Inferiorxy -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/14/2008 9:28:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

women bleed and don't die (that was magical before medical understanding)
women generally handle pain better than men
women live longer
women are able to give life
women are 51% of the population
all babies start out female

now, this is all off the top of my head - some anectdotal, some vague recollection from gender classes from college... take it with a grain of salt.

[image]http://www.collarme.com/htmlarea/smileys/0395.gif[/image]



There IS significant difference between the chromsomes, namely that the Y chromosome is smaller and contains markedly fewer genetic components than the X. Y is in fact a mutated version of X. It is a derivative of X.

The Female chromosome sequence contains far more genetic data than the male's.

The Y chromosome is in fact degrading and in trouble, because it does not build or repair itself with each generation.

It is in fact an exact copy of the previous father's Y. That how we can trace lineage in men reliably through past generations.

For the record, Women actually on average have better memory than men, and use more cross networking in their brains than men (emotive and logistical). They have more "white matter" in their brains, on average.

Culture shows how it does favor the Female by putting the male in harm's way first.

Men are always willing to help a lady out, protect her, and do dirty, dangerous work for her.

A man's place is written in his DNA. Why do males love to look at and kiss the feet of females? :-)



LotusSong -> RE: Female Supremacy truthful? (6/14/2008 12:52:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101

The rebuttal is that everyone would be so busy shopping that nothing would ever get done. :)  (dodging flames and running quickly for cover)

Regards, ATP


Forget it Aim!  You can't run fast or far enough to save yourself!  LOL



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