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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/14/2008 5:35:32 PM   
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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/14/2008 11:09:05 PM   
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Female Supremacy is a fine fantasy and/or tool for the purpose of BDSM.

However, anyone who really and truly believes that men (or women, or X race of humans, or GLBT people...) should be deemed inferior by all of society, and/or be the subject of discrimination that's written into law is really nothing but a bigot.  It's *exactly* the same thing as being a white/black/male/etc supremacist.

I know that's kind of blunt, but it's the truth.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/15/2008 12:54:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leanan

However, anyone who really and truly believes that men (or women, or X race of humans, or GLBT people...) should be deemed inferior by all of society, and/or be the subject of discrimination that's written into law is really nothing but a bigot.  It's *exactly* the same thing as being a white/black/male/etc supremacist.



I think it depends on what you mean by "deemed inferior". The proposition that all men are somehow genetically or intellectually inferior to all women does amount to bigotry, and is pretty obviously incorrect. The proposition that men are slightly inferior on average in some specific abilities (I think I've seen this argued for verbal skills, for example) is easier to defend and supported by some psychological studies. However, the data are apparently conflicting and hard to interpret, and some of those same studies also show that men are slightly superior on average in some areas (spatial skills, in particular).

One could also believe that men and women are approximately equal in their abilities, and still prefer to live in a society in which men were inferior in the sense of having fewer legal rights. Personally, I think it would be kind of neat if a small, sovereign country run on female supremacist principles could be established somewhere. I'm not talking about a femdom fantasy resort like the Other World Kingdom, but rather a functioning society in which women were simply the more powerful sex.

In an extreme version of the idea, men would be mere chattels, but a more moderate version would give men a social position a bit like that of women in Victorian England (with lots of important differences of detail). Only women would be allowed to vote, and women would occupy virtually all of the important positions in society. The government would be exclusively female, and women would predominate in academia, business, and the legal and medical professions. Occasionally the all-powerful "old girls' club" might allow an exceptional male to have a decent professional career, but on the understanding that he would be quickly forced out if he stepped too far out of line. Most men would either keep house for their wives, or find work as manual labourers or in the service industry. A very few men could carve out prestigious careers as entertainers or athletes (why do I suspect that the hockey league might be especially popular?), but even they would be answerable to the female executives who owned the film studios and sports teams.

Everyone in the country would be an adult who had freely chosen to immigrate there (for TOS-related reasons, I think we'll have to assume that everyone used 100% effective birth control all the time). If such a country were established, I don't think I'd necessarily pester my Mistress to move us there - I'm too attached to my academic career. But if she really wanted to go, I wouldn't exactly complain too much. I'd be curious to know if others would be tempted to come with us. Remember, this isn't about declaring men to be objectively inferior - it's just a question of people choosing to live in a society with a particular balance, or rather imbalance, of power between the sexes.



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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/15/2008 3:16:15 PM   
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Here's something you might be interested in.  It's called Femquality and is a vision of a female led community.  I don't know if it's just a pipe dream or something that's might really happen.  It's at femalesrule.

http://www.femalesrule.com/

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/15/2008 4:44:25 PM   
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I too think that many people do not actually believe that either gender is superior-they just enjoy acting as if it were true.

I too view it as a state of mind. There are things that men do well and there are things that women do well. But it seems to have to do with confidence. What I like about female supremacy is that the women that associate with this seem to be more confident. Again thats really all a state of mind thing if you ask me. But I like confident women with higher standards, so intern I kind of like female supremacy.

It like anything can be negative too. These are usually the not well balanced types that let it all go their head. "power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely" For me thats a major turn off weather your male or female.

Where it comes in for D/s for me is in the private "I am only supreme over my submissive". as someone put it. I hold most women in high regards, and that one special one even higher.

Thats kinda what it means to me.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/15/2008 5:04:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

women bleed and don't die (that was magical before medical understanding)
women generally handle pain better than men
women live longer
women are able to give life
women are 51% of the population
all babies start out female

now, this is all off the top of my head - some anectdotal, some vague recollection from gender classes from college... take it with a grain of salt.





There IS significant difference between the chromsomes, namely that the Y chromosome is smaller and contains markedly fewer genetic components than the X. Y is in fact a mutated version of X. It is a derivative of X.

The Female chromosome sequence contains far more genetic data than the male's.

The Y chromosome is in fact degrading and in trouble, because it does not build or repair itself with each generation.

It is in fact an exact copy of the previous father's Y. That how we can trace lineage in men reliably through past generations.

For the record, Women actually on average have better memory than men, and use more cross networking in their brains than men (emotive and logistical). They have more "white matter" in their brains, on average.

Culture shows how it does favor the Female by putting the male in harm's way first.

Men are always willing to help a lady out, protect her, and do dirty, dangerous work for her.

A man's place is written in his DNA. Why do males love to look at and kiss the feet of females? :-)



To understand how and why Females in any mammal species are superior, simply ask yourself this: why are we males born with nipples?

Look at the chromosomes. XX vs. Xy makes it pretty obvious.

Females are superior because they represent the entire human being.

The male is inferior because he is, from a very real genetic standpoint, an incomplete copy of a female.

He is a derivative, subhuman mutation, designed for sexual reproduction.

After providing sperm, he's quite disposable, and our society shows this in many ways.




Under a microscope,
Females XX chromosomes are big and diesel compared to those of males whose XY chromosomes are tiny and battered down looking.


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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/16/2008 6:52:50 PM   
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Umm good idea. But you can take that reasoning, apply it to black Americans that were oppressed and believed to be inferior and you end up with the same results. That is, once they were given more rights and an opportunity to shine, they did. Does that make them superior? I would say no.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/19/2008 4:34:19 PM   
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I want to put my 2 cents into this topic, I know its been beat to death here and I'll piss someone off by bumping this back up, but whatever. These are my feelings about the issue, they may be conflicting but so be it. When looking at any individuals, It is silly to say that every woman is superior to every man just by basis of gender alone. While I don't automatically look at every woman I see and automatically assume she is superior, I believe the traits for superority are MORE LIKELY to be found in a woman than they are a man. Yes there are plenty of women who lack these traits, so there a lot of women who do not make the cut.

But when if you want to look at broad general terms and not go into personal details, it is safe to say that women are superior to men. Other than the obvious fact that women give life, Lets face it: men commit 90% of violent crimes. How many women abuse their spouses when compared to men? Same goes for rape. Look at areas of the world that are male dominated and women have no rights, are those places where one would want to live?  In terms of education, Men are disapearing from the college classrooms. Women outperform men in almost every academic subject now. And men are more desperate for sex than women are. How many women have to pay for sex or for domination, when compared to men, who are willing to shell out large sums of money for it? Even look at this site. Look who sends out all of the obscene, pathetic, harassing trolling emails to the women here. It isn't other women.

Men are physically stronger than women yes, but in this day and age, brains are prefered over brute strength, and odds are that the person who has the brains, wears the skirt.

Now, I should also add that this does not mean that men should be treated lesser than or have any opportunities or rights taken away from them. I believe that everyone regardless of gender is deserving of respect until proven otherwise. I should also add that this opinion works well for me, and I do not force it on others. If one wants to think men are superior, then I believe their opinion, if they can back it up, has merit as well. If that makes any sense


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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/19/2008 8:40:08 PM   
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I have a hard time with the idea of supremacy based on genetics: race, gender, nationality, whatever. I've met some very impressive individuals, but have yet to meet a complete set who make me wish I was someone other than who I am. Then again, my Dad fought in WWII and Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated during my birth year, so maybe I'm a bit tetchy on that subject. For that matter, I once tried looking up "black female supremacy" after being contacted by someone who claimed to be very much into it. It seems to be female supremacy by black women, with no real additional political or ideological agenda behind it. Alrightie then. I could probably play at either if giggle fits were allowed, but neither concept does much for me.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 6/20/2008 12:22:31 PM   
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I've thought about answering this thread all day.  Part of me says "let it lay", the other needs to make a point.  Guess which won?

I hold myself out as a Female Supremest.  However, I would consider my definition of the title to be closer to Women's Libber on 'roids more than to a White Supremest type.

Granted, men are physically stronger than women.  In basic primal society, the man's job was to protect and provide for the women who not only gave life to the next generation but also nurtured and taught them.  Men respected and revered Women as not only the givers of life, but also as the givers of great joy, both physical and mental.  Most early religions worshiped both the male & female energies in various incarnations as different but equal partners.

It wasn't until Christianity became popular that the Patriarchal concepts were widely embraced.   Some circles believe that Christ did not actually teach that a man should be the head of the household, but that the first recorded member of the 'He-Man Woman Hater's Club' - St. Paul - rewrote most of the New Testament to reflect his own personal bias against women.  (Don't ask me to quote sources, I studied this in college 25+ years ago and don't remember.) 

Now, why do I believe Females to be superior?  Females have endured the oppressions of male domination for two thousand years.  We probably invented 'passive aggression'.   Women had to learn to cope with men telling us that we were not as smart or as strong as they were for all that time.  We dealt with having 'woman's work' thrust upon us while we were told we need not worry our pretty heads with education or politics or war.  That was 'man's work'.  The only way they kept us barefoot and pregnant was because men kept women from learning to READ.  An ignorant population is easily dominated.

Guess what?  After all those generations, women finally found the pluck to stand up and scream "Bull Shit!"  As soon as we started going to school, we learned that we always WERE just as smart as any man.  We simply lacked formal education for all females.  (Yes, I know, noble women were often educated, but it was not considered 'important' for low born women to know anything except how to have babies.) 

After women started getting educated across the boards, we found that we could do other things as well.  When all the men went away to World War II, women entered the work force in droves.  We found that we COULD do any job that a man could do if they would just step aside and let us try.  That greatly wounded the pride of many men who returned from the war to find that their wives didn't WANT to go back home to make babies.  They wanted to stay in the work place.... yet they were still expected to do all the 'women's work' as well.

To this day, most households still believe that a woman working 40 hours should still keep the house, take care of the kids, and do all that stuff that 'stay at home' moms do.   Luckily, that attitude is changing.  To many women are taking that stand again and refusing to do it all alone. 

So yes, I believe that females, on the whole, are superior to males because we have always HAD to be better.



So would that indirect mean that when i was born i was born to serve a woman without having the choice given to me? My destiny was chosen as inferior?

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 3:16:10 AM   
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yes I totally agree...

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 11:03:14 AM   
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How many women abuse their spouses when compared to men? Same goes for rape.


Many more than you think, but it's hushed out. Look it up you'll be surprised.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 12:24:32 PM   
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There IS significant difference between the chromsomes, namely that the Y chromosome is smaller and contains markedly fewer genetic components than the X. Y is in fact a mutated version of X. It is a derivative of X.

The Female chromosome sequence contains far more genetic data than the male's.

The Y chromosome is in fact degrading and in trouble, because it does not build or repair itself with each generation.

It is in fact an exact copy of the previous father's Y. That how we can trace lineage in men reliably through past generations.

For the record, Women actually on average have better memory than men, and use more cross networking in their brains than men (emotive and logistical). They have more "white matter" in their brains, on average.

Culture shows how it does favor the Female by putting the male in harm's way first.

Men are always willing to help a lady out, protect her, and do dirty, dangerous work for her.

A man's place is written in his DNA. Why do males love to look at and kiss the feet of females? :-)



To understand how and why Females in any mammal species are superior, simply ask yourself this: why are we males born with nipples?

Look at the chromosomes. XX vs. Xy makes it pretty obvious.

Females are superior because they represent the entire human being.

The male is inferior because he is, from a very real genetic standpoint, an incomplete copy of a female.

He is a derivative, subhuman mutation, designed for sexual reproduction.

After providing sperm, he's quite disposable, and our society shows this in many ways.



Under a microscope,
Females XX chromosomes are big and diesel compared to those of males whose XY chromosomes are tiny and battered down looking.


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And to mustardseeds, I do see where your coming from but women are genetically more complex and superior than men. We are made of two cells and men only made of one cell. And its proven that genetically speaking that if you've met one man, you've met them all.

And their y Gene is rotting away, shedding genes by the million and is now half the size of the X.

It keeps getting smaller and smaller and could be completely gone in the future.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 12:42:33 PM   
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You could just as easily argue the reverse of that and say that the female is merely the human base and the male is the enhanced form.  The male ultimately gets a lot of different hormones to make him upgraded form of humanity.  He's on average much bigger, faster, stronger, and he's capable of spreading his genetic code MUCH faster and with MUCH more effeciency than a female.  A man can impregnate(theoretically) hundreds of different women and sire numerous offspring with his genetic code in the months upon months of time a woman is able to do this ONCE.  He is far and above superior when it comes to spreading his genetic code.  A woman can have, at absolute most...what?   A few dozen offsprings in all likelyhood in her lifespan.  A male can, quite literally, have hundreds.  His genetic legacy can be much more far reaching and powerful.

When it comes to this he is clearly superior.  He's superior at spreading his genetics as well as being an upgraded form of humanity.

I don't believe in the superiority of either sex.  If you wanted to make a case for male genetic superiority, you could do it just as easy as you can for female genetic superiority.  I don't believe either argument, but you can clearly see points can be made.

As I've said, I think both Female Supremecy and Male Supremecy are a gigantic pile of BS.


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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 1:31:52 PM   
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If sheer numbers represented superiority, bacterium would be the pinnacle form of all life. Quantity doesn't equal superiority. That is a rather insectoid way of thinking. Even if you do feel the male is superior due to his ability to "spread his code", his ability to do so still ultimately depends upon a Woman (or Women) carrying his line. We should not fail to reflect upon the fact that this "code" given by males is a rather simple one. It is so simple, in fact, we can trace male lineage back hundreds upon hundreds (even thousands) of generations. If you met one man, you've met them all. Though not so with women.


As for the "souped up genes" of males, one must ask why males are endowed with such qualities in general. Since the male is the disposable sex in nature, it only makes sense that he be endowed with the physical abilities of a laborer and protector. A male is not an "enchanced form" of the female. He is in fact genetically simpler than the Female, as the Female contains far more genetic data than the male ever will.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 1:48:50 PM   
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the Female contains far more genetic data than the male ever will.

The entirety of the human genome fits on a compact disc -- i.e., contains less data than a two-hour digitized movie.  (750 megabytes max.)  Further, less than 2% of that information is actually used by the human body, and many people refer to the rest as "junk DNA."

It is not the number of genes that makes an organism complex.  It is the complexity of interaction among the genes during the organism's development.


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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 1:49:12 PM   
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Ah, but we're not -talking- about bacterium, now are we?  You're using an entirely unrelated example.  We're talking about human beings.  What's the saying?  Survival of the fittest?  Being fit in the sense that is always used is on your ability to spread your genetic code quickly and effeciently.  Using that logic, you could say men are more fit, on average, than women.

It's why a woman, in general, is more picky when she chooses her mate.  She only gets so many chances to spread her code in the best way possible.  A man has countless more chances.  Instinctively, his mate selection is not very important because he has many chances throughout his sexual lifespan.  A woman is not so lucky.

And the "if you've met one man, you've met them all" is really a questionable notion using shakey genetics, at best.  You're acting a human being is nothing more than the sum of their genetics, which is a false on many levels.  To make the blanket statement, "All men are the same" is quite similar to saying "All blacks are ____" or "All Catholics are ___"

And the fact of the matter is, contrary to what you seem to note.  I don't believe in the superiority of either sex.  There are differences, which one shouldn't ignore.  But these differences don't account for any -real- superiority.  The concept of being superior to somebody else because of circumstances -beyond- their control is something people tell themselves for no other reason than to feel better about their own situation.  As I've said many times before, it's a train of thought best left to the stone age where it belongs.  It's no better than racism.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 2:09:09 PM   
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We ARE the sum of our genetics. Without genetics, there wouldn't be a living being at all. That is sort of like saying atoms and molecules don't matter in the material Universe.

We are complex organisms, but our complexity still boils down to biological facts. The biological facts, where this conversation is concerned, are indisputable (if you care to do the research and even just look around you at how the sexes interact). These facts are of course unimportant to your side of the coin; to recognize them would be to invalidate your argument.

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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 2:22:26 PM   
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If -- like some geneticists -- you consider "genes" as something called ABC proteins, then plants have more genes than humans.

Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD1-43N5YTR-W&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=9a0a328a5c3804298a6dc2d48d08b6b4

Does that mean plants are more complex than humans?  Which research, exactly, do you suggest I do?


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RE: Female Supremacy truthful? - 7/4/2008 2:32:04 PM   
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We're not really comparing plants to mammals, are we? Not only two different systems, but it's obvious which is more advanced. What's next, comparing complex strings of chemical compounds present in inanimate objects? Let's keep on track with the conversation. Like it or not, Women are genetically more complex and superior.

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