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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 8:05:56 AM

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I drink Yuengling ,don't really like AB products .But the clydesdale commercials are way cool...You know like where their lining up to play football ...

yuengling is some good stuff... too bad the Class 6 doesnt stock it :( They only sell your large mainstream beers. Oh well after the 1st 12pack they all start to taste the same.

All i can say is keep searching IMHO the only domestic beer worth drinking

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 8:21:19 AM

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Yup me too HK. Seadog, Shipyard, any local brew around here is pretty good, especially compared to that watery mass produced swill that masquerades as beer. Miller Lite? Bud? Ugh.....Let 'em have it.

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I just hope InBev don't adopt AB's brewing standards.

InBev have a fairly good record in some parts of Europe, at least. They've been known to return brewing to original breweries when a brew is moved to another brewery and people have complained about the resultant quality (e.g. Hoegaarden). They come from a country that knows how to brew good beer, although I've no idea if that counts for anything in multinational boardrooms. Those Belgian brands of theirs I've drunk, in Belgium, are perfectly reasonable Belgian beers.

InBev is the result of a merger between a Belgian giant and Brazilian giant.

Me, I've taken up drinking American small brewery beers, like our own local Sweetwater IPA and Redhook ESB. Terrapin in Athens has a killer Rye Pale Ale.

Think Globally, drink locally.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 9:27:53 AM

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There is little difference in cost between beers here in the US... and since Bud is by far they best selling then it must also be the best tasting..and I agree they do have the best overall mass produced beer brands in the US.

It is the good water in St. Louis... they say anyway..

So screw all you beer snobs...

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 9:29:56 AM

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There is little difference in cost between beers here in the US... and since Bud is by far they best selling then it must also be the best tasting..and I agree they do have the best overall mass produced beer brands in the US.

It is the good water in St. Louis... they say anyway..

So screw all you beer snobs...

So mass apeal is now the litmus test for quality...and just how long was the A-team a top rated show....

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 9:52:18 AM

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And Fox News is number #1?

Yeah, ok...pass me the Shipyard IPA please.

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There is little difference in cost between beers here in the US... and since Bud is by far they best selling then it must also be the best tasting..and I agree they do have the best overall mass produced beer brands in the US.

It is the good water in St. Louis... they say anyway..

So screw all you beer snobs...

So mass apeal is now the litmus test for quality...and just how long was the A-team a top rated show....

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:12:50 AM

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Yep mass appeal is the test.. they do it better than anyone else...people know it so they buy it...the people make or break.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:14:55 AM

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See above example of the people's taste and I might add reality tv...nuff said

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:18:13 AM

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damn you got me there!!!!...

Give me my bud… greasy chips … cheap leather recliner… remote control and I’m in heaven.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:38:48 AM

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Why anyone in Europe would value any beer produces by Anheuser-Busch is beyond me. However, considering the exchange rate and value of the Euro versus the dollar they have money to burn. Consider that it is damn near impossible to secure shipping to Europe due to many coming here to buy good, like cars, priced at US dollars; this is just another function of the bargain hunters.

I'm reminded of the old days when the same situation existed with the Japanese yen. There was a big outcry when a Japanese based Real Estate corporation bought Rockefeller Center, except in NY. In NY it was a RE boon and many millions were made by the Japanese overpaying for buildings throughout the City. Eventually, they sold most, if not all, of it back at a price much lower than they paid.

In this case, I'm only sorry I didn't own any AB stock. $46.4 Billion - The Board should be shot by the shareholders if they don't accept it. Hell - I'd throw in a team of Clydesdales, and the dalmatian dog, too!

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:47:13 AM

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For those of you who don't care because you don't drink it I have this to say :

I don't drive, so I don't care if they build cars which the wheels fall off of at 70 MPH instantly killing the driver.

Get it ? If you don't give a shit about other people don't expect them to give a shit about you.

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Whadda i do? LMAO.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 10:55:34 AM

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InBev brewery, a European company, has made a $46.4 billion dollar bid to buy American beer giant Anheuser-Busch.
AB, an American company based in St Louis for 148 years, looks like it plans to fight the takeover (although has not publically announced a defense yet) and has hired an army of lawyers and bankers. The bid has launched a firestorm of opposition among the public, state government, and even some members of the US Congress.

But the bid is likely to be tempting for shareholders. AB's stock was valued at $58 a share after Thursday's trading. The deal pays out $64 a share and InBev says they are willing to increase the bid to $70 a share.

Missouri is also a swing state in a Presidential election year.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/12/business/beer.php

Cyberdude, i need more information. How is a hostile takeover of AB a 'war for beer'?

What's the relevance of Missouri's 'swing state' status?

If AB were a producer of breakfast ceral would the issues be different?

Thanks for answering my questions..if You do.

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War for beer just an interesting title since so many in Missouri disapprove of the deal. An online petition has already generated some 15,000 signitures.

And it has been reported that Cindy McCain, John McCain's wife, is a shareholder. And this also brings back the debate about free trade.

Okay Cyberdude, i think i get it. But i still have some questions, if that's okay?

How does O/one 'sign' an online petition?

What makes P/pl think T/they have any right to interfere in AB's business dealings, unless T/they're shareholders or employees?

What's the relevance of Cindy McCain owning shares in AB?

Don't candidates for president have to file full financial disclosure forms?

Who decided Missouri was a 'swing state'. and what does that have to do with a hostile takeover of AB?

Thanks for Your patience with my dimness today. It is Friday the 13th, after all.

*hugs*

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 11:57:20 AM

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Why anyone in Europe would value any beer produces by Anheuser-Busch is beyond me.

Do you think it possible that the reason they sell the most beer in the world is because..well maybe it is good?

The US, and in particular AB, is the king of beer producing... we have more breweries including microbreweries than any other country... we know how to mass produce a good beer...at least until the Belgians take over.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:14:30 PM

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Why anyone in Europe would value any beer produces by Anheuser-Busch is beyond me.

Do you think it possible that the reason they sell the most beer in the world is because..well maybe it is good?

The US, and in particular AB, is the king of beer producing... we have more breweries including microbreweries than any other country... we know how to mass produce a good beer...at least until the Belgians take over.

You gotta be kidding..right?
AB along with a couple of other mass advertised and mass produced major market brands are about the worst swill in the world. They hold most of the market share only because of mass marketing and advertsing. Just proof that marketing works like a charm.
As for Belgian beer, Stella Artois is one of the finest brews on the planet. I'd venture to say that the art of beer making in America got it's start and was influenced heavily from European brewmasters, AB included. In fact Bud at one time wasn't a bad beer at all until corporate greed got in the way of quality.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:16:27 PM

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lol... snobs!!!... He just asked why anyone would want AB... and that is because the world thinks its the best...swill..

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:22:45 PM

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hehe..yep, I'm a snob when it comes to beer. Nothin but the best goes down (or out of) my pipes. I only drink a couple beers a month so they have to be the best.
Now about those greasy chips.....

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:40:43 PM

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Do you think it possible that the reason they sell the most beer in the world is because..well maybe it is good?

The US, and in particular AB, is the king of beer producing... we have more breweries including microbreweries than any other country... we know how to mass produce a good beer...at least until the Belgians take over.

kd, marketing and pricing sell AB. The drink of NASCAR, Pro Football, etc. Obviously there are many who also enjoy the taste. Not me, but that doesn't mean I disagree with you pointing out that many US brands, especially the micro-brews, are good.

They won't stop producing due to new ownership. I don't see any change to the status quo. You don't spend that much money and then change the reason it is the #1 beer in the US. A few thousand 'executives' may fall by the wayside, but it won't change the product.

BTW - AB has local breweries in various places throughout the world. Each has their own unique water source. If you've ever been to St. Louis, I lived there for 5 years, few people go there to drink the water. In times of flooding, like now, they suspend the operation of some sewage treatment plants upriver along the Mississippi and Missouri. Then again, while at Seton Hall, I had the opportunity to visit their Newark plant. Ever heard of any bottled water coming from Newark?

But to each a preference of taste. I just never acquired one for AB products. But that doesn't stop me from buying some if it is the preference of my guests.

If anyone will be harmed by the acquisition it would be people deriving their income from the advertising side of AB. They spend huge amounts on sponsorships. I hope they don't stop making those great Superbowl ads.

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Stella Artois is one of the finest brews on the planet.

I'll drink to that - especially on tap.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:45:02 PM

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I haven't been able to stomach most American beers for a long time. However, they are by far not the worst. There is a Japanese beer that I cannot remember the name of that is worse than "piss in a can" (spelled b-u-d). I'll admit to being a snob but I am not drinking crap beer unless I've already numbed my taste buds with something with real flavor.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 12:50:35 PM

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The water source is irrelevant. Before it's put in the vats, it's been filtered through polishers, charcoal beds, reverse osmosis, demineralizers (ion exchange), and tested for purity (fastest way is with a conductivity meter)(pure water is non-conductive). I once had a night gig 30 years ago or so running the QC and water treatment for a Pepsi bottler in Norcross, GA. Also had a gig with an engineering firm doing a joint study with the EPA and Am. Textiles Institute looking at carpet mill wastewater. Also had a ten yer gig at Shell where I did some analytical chemistry which required pure water. I know a little about the subject.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 1:15:24 PM

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Mercnbeth...You should have stayed a little longer...Check THIS out. I saw an interview with Gussie Bush where he credited a good part of the taste of AB products to the water in the City... His tasters are paid a LOT of money...yes all over the world... to match that taste....I'm not being a AB snob either...but I do think it the best of the mass produced beers.

It is purchased where there are many alternatives..so it is logical for me to assume most think it is good too.

I will miss my Red Wolf when they are sold..I'll have to research and find a US beer..said while waving flag...lol

But somehow they will need to recover the 70 billion... many here are worried about AB supported venues like Grants Farm... The employees are among the best in the business and they are afraid of labor relations in trying to cut cost to recover the money spent on the buy out... There will be changes.

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RE: The coming war for Beer - 6/13/2008 1:19:38 PM

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KD try yuengling the oldest beer continuously brewed in the good old U.S.

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