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DarkVictory -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/18/2008 11:20:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darkpassenger434 I can't say where it comes from, but to answer an aspect of your question, I do require that the bottom enjoy it, almost to a fault. Any old monster can find a victim after all. -R Do you have any idea how much the maintenance is on a windowless 1974 white ford econoline stepvan with a rubber matted floor?

darkpassenger434 -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/18/2008 11:38:53 PM)
Not to mention all the legwork in getting rid of evidence. Have you seen "Forensic Files"? Those guys are good. Don't even get me started on missing all your favorite shows because the voices in your head won't let you stop watching "Taxi Driver" and "American Psycho" over and over again. -R

DarkVictory -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/18/2008 11:43:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darkpassenger434 Not to mention all the legwork in getting rid of evidence. Have you seen "Forensic Files"? Those guys are good. Don't even get me started on missing all your favorite shows because the voices in your head won't let you stop watching "Taxi Driver" and "American Psycho" over and over again. -R Jesus, you have it easy. Mine make me watch for secret messages in the static.

MistressRouge -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 12:02:42 AM)
I am a sadist, yet I prefer masochists to absorb and indulge in my sadism. I am more a sensation sadist, delivering painful sensations in a variety of different ways, I like to administer a variety of pain, a gradual build up. The reactions and reception is vital to my enjoyment, so masochists gel well with me. The dynamic and chemistry works, me delivering, them receiving. Attentive, sensation, pain, bringing them to their peak, reducing, then peak beyond, a rollercoaster of delicious endorphins [:D]

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 12:35:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkVictory Where does my sadism come from? My brain. No brain, no sadism. "what are you looking for from them in regards to your sadism?" That really depends. I find that it's a wide open arena of demand and expectation, that varies from day to day and from partner to partner. At one extreme, I'm the kind of 'Top' that can service a bottom's desire for extended foreplay and sensual play that very gradually moves from light spanking, tickling, and digital fingering into a soft and sustained spanking, and from there into a long buildup to a hard ass whupping. This end of the spectrum is me being a service top, and what I'm in that interation for is the approval and gracious appreciation of the bottom. I'm doing it, not for my sadistic desires, but to provide my partner with a good evening. It's much like watching a chick flick. Somewhere in the middle range is where I can begin to let a tiny bit of the demon out to play, within a tightly confined and negotiated 'scene' or defined arena of play. This is where I am free to be cruel and hurtful to the bottom, but there's nothing about the scene that transcends her momentary ability to process. I can see her suffer, I can enjoy that suffering, but in the end I am clear that I need to make certain that she's feeling safe and cared for. Towards the left side, the dark side of my sadism, I am playing with a partner who is not a masochist. She's there to suffer for me, not because she's going to process it into pleasure, but because ... for whatever fucked up sick bitch reason she has ... she wants to be hurt and suffering. With that kind of partner, I'm free to be dark. I'm free to laugh at her pain, mock her agony, and allow myself to be genuinely and physically aroused by her torment. Near the far dark side, I am playing with a submissive and not a bottom. She's only there becuase I desire it. She's terrified and near panicky with what's happening. She's free to scream her fear, and I'm not going to stop. I can really let myself loose, threatening her, scaring her.... Using chain not rope, making it so she actually cannot escape at all... putting her in hideously uncomfortable positions, bent forward leaning on an iron railing, chained in place... driving sharpened stainless steel knitting needles through her outer labia, pinning her to the spanking pony by her cunt... burning chinese joss herbs on the ends of the needles, and threatening her with the cattle prod to the anus if she disturbs the burning herbs by moving as I begin to sodomize her. Then, of course... using the cattle prod on her anyway... laughing as she screams and sobs. Forcing her jaws open with the dental gag, and throat raping her... intentionally taking her to the edge of passing out again and again as she pukes and screams. What do I want from that kind of partner? I want her soul. (edited ...) I'm on the phone with softness, and she rightly points out that this last example is not my evil side. It's still within bounds. What, as a sadist I want to do is have a blindfolded, gagged, beautiful, successful, intelligent woman flopping around on my floor with two dislocated arms/shoulders, the webs of her toes nailgunned to the floor... as I sexually torment and abuse the living fuck out of her. The details are best left to the imagination. Also, soft's not in use with me as a bottom, but as a submissive... so you puzzle it out. Wow... You are one sick puppy dude..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m22.gif[/image] (pssst..softness... Have you emailed Michael about that procurement matter?.[sm=preen.gif])

rubberpet -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 2:03:05 AM)
I may be a collared slave, but I am very much a sadist. On the occasion when I did top someone, my main goal was to illicit a reaction, whether it was physical discomfort, pain, a good mindfuck, or a combination of them, more than just hurt them. Sometimes I would wail on them with a heavy flogger while trying to knock off clothespins off delicate parts of their bodies or play a modified game with dice to see how many number of cane strokes they would receive. With the dice game, there was nothing more enjoyable to see a shocked expression when they learned they were going to recieve over 20 strokes with a thin, whispy cane! [sm=evil.gif] Those are just a couple of examples..... Sure, I really enjoy dishing out the physical discomfort, but there is nothing quite like getting into the psyche of someone who has NO idea what I am capable of! [:D]

HalloweenWhite -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 2:59:16 AM)
I like when they enjoy it, I don't feel right just doing it for My own enjoyment, I'd be happy to try though ;).

vampchick88 -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 7:32:20 AM)
I am a sadist but tend to take it a bit easy on pet...however I have no complaint when he posts and gives me ideas[;)]~Lorelei

softness -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 9:17:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch Wow... You are one sick puppy dude..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m22.gif[/image] (pssst..softness... Have you emailed Michael about that procurement matter?.[sm=preen.gif]) I can't decide which one of you is the worst ... So I think you should both get locked in a bunker and be left to fight it out ....I'll take Michael for an ice cream to keep Him out of trouble or something

KLRDan -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 11:44:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sodsta Or do you prefer a little more reluctance? Does it excite you more if your sub/bottom is NOT a masochist, but they are taking the pain because they know it makes you happy to give it? Yes. I'd much rather give pain to a woman who doesn't like pain, but likes me enough to submit to it. It's the same with humiliation, which is far and away my greatest passion in BDSM. I know of nothing sweeter than a woman who submits to humiliation just to please me, having never desired to be treated like a pig or a cow or a dog before. When she starts to like the role for its own sake, I admit the thrill wears off a bit for me. Then it's time to find something even more degrading to rekindle her embarrassment and tears. :) quote: ORIGINAL: sodsta Does your sadism come from the same place as your dominance in that respect? Is giving pain another way for you to exert control and power over a person Absolutely, yes. I think that's precisely the reason I prefer to hurt or humiliate a willing-but-reluctant woman; nothing shows submission like volunteering for something that holds no inherent appeal for her (at least until I convince her that she likes being my little mud-caked piglet--grin). Nice post, sodsta. It got me thinking about my own motives in a way I hadn't quite done before.

SirJohnMandevill -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 5:14:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist I'm a reaction junkie. So are most Sadists. Doesn't have to be about pain, or even physical. Same here. It greatly arouses me to hear the cries and whimpers of my submissive lady, but it's just as exciting when I see the look of surprise on her face when I pull her head back by her hair. We're still pretty new as a D/s couple, so most of our exploration has been on the physical side. But I hope as we grow, we'll be able to explore the more emotional nuances of D/s. Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)

AtlantisKing111 -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 7:28:32 PM)
I enjoy the fact that they enjoy pain and get off on it. I tend to be the sort that, if they are not into pain I do not give it, at least as a play item. Punishment is of course a different matter.

TMIk -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/19/2008 9:03:50 PM)
I like pain, like receiving it. Like being humiliated. Called things I never imagined I would actually liked being called. I like playing.. pretending to be reluctant. I love merciless teasing. At the same time I also enjoy giving pain to someone that likes it, if he struggles that's good too. Restraints..yes... no gags though I like hearing guys scream, like it when they beg. My sadism comes from my desire to make someone writhe and squirm the way I would for them.

slvambermstrjoe -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/20/2008 6:11:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blackbeard519 A therapist I once had asserted that my sadism was brought on by a need to share the suffering I endured as a child. It doesn't matter what causes it really. The kick for me is that my partner suffers for me. It's a power thing. quote: The kick for me is that my partner suffers for me. "For me" is the key part. I do want them to look back and think of it as a great time. I want them to get off on it.

XxSpiderxX -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/20/2008 11:25:28 AM)
As far as my sadism goes, its origin is not really something I knew for a very long time. I've figured it out now, of course, so perhaps a little background. I first discovered my Dominant traits and my sadistic appitite at a young age. Most children enjoy picking on their younger siblings, however I used to revel in torturing them until they would cry, only to comfort them back into a calm state so that my mother wouldnt catch wind and inflict some horrible pain unto me. Then when I was sure the heat was momentarily off I would find the other sibling and torture them. I would often try to play them off against each other so that I could see the parental punishment exacted upon them for their transgressions, it was twice as fun for me you see, as first the older of the two would pick an argument based upon something I had told her about what the younger of the two had said, then she would hit him for being obstanant and I would enjoy that, then when my step-father became aware, she would get hers. I would often start arguements between the parents, because my mother was more intelligent and would often make my stepfather cry, or it would escilate physically and my mother is no punk in that arena, she may be slight and small, however I've seen her take down men twice her size. And talk about fearless. I simply enjoy the suffering of others, whether it be physical, emotional, mental, or a combination of the three. I later identified it with sadism for sadism's sake. I find no sexual arousal in it, I just enjoy it as one might enjoy football or some other spectator sport. Its the reaction and the expression of suffering that I enjoy most. With my sub, I often, after shibari and a blindfold, will tell her all the nasty things I'm going to do with the candle I am supposedly holding and dash her back or tits with the cold water from a melting ice cube. She associates it with the burning agony of wax (as she hates that feeling) and cringes or flinches in the funniest way. As far as prefering a masochist or not, as long as the other is consenting and hasn't uttered the safeword, I could care less if they enjoy it for me or for themselves. I would like to explore a pain sluts limits one of these days, as I haven't met one yet, I enjoy causing pain, regardless of whether they enjoy recieving it or not, although I have had a few masochists who I have simply tied up and slapped a few times, then sat and watch them beg me to continue for a half hour before they ask to be untied. I actually got a hard on from one of those, I have to admit, as she started to cry when I wouldnt continue to beat her. I felt bad only afterwards, when she was rather upset with our play. She passive agressively tried to drive me to anger so I would beat her, insulting me and even going as far as striking me. I sometimes wonder if I have the right psychology to top those kind of bottoms. Another example is of a female who had run out of cigarettes at a party once and I reveled in her suffering and begging me for a cigarette for close to an hour before another friend incurred a favor by requesting I give her one. I made her thank the friend for his saving her from continued suffering before I obliged him. I too have learned the ability to turn my sadistic actions on and off for the sake of continued good behavior in society at large. I have the thoughts at all times, I have just learned not to act on all of them. My sub thanks me every day. I have asked her not to, but she insists. and to her benifit. The difference between cruelty and sadisim in my mind is that ability to turn it on and off at will. Hope that helps...

BikerDomRealTime -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/20/2008 5:30:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sodsta After getting quite a mixed response from friends, I thought I'd ask here... Sadists... where does your sadism come from? More specifically: When you play with someone, be they a sub, a bottom, a friend, a partner, etc... what are you looking for from them in regards to your sadism? For example - do you prefer a sub/bottom who is a masochist and actually enjoys the pain? Who gets off on receiving what you dish out? Or do you prefer a little more reluctance? Does it excite you more if your sub/bottom is NOT a masochist, but they are taking the pain because they know it makes you happy to give it? Does your sadism come from the same place as your dominance in that respect? Is giving pain another way for you to exert control and power over a person, or does the desire to inflict pain come from somewhere else entirely? All input is greatly appreciated. :) For the sadist in me I would play with anyone. I would not have sex with anyone but I would play with anyone. I do prefer playing with a person that really enjoys it and can take a lot, but I am ok with playing with someone that does not enjoy it to the extent that I do.

Manawyddan -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/21/2008 8:03:56 AM)
I have played both with people who love receiving pain, and a few who accept it out of submission. And of course, it's all for their reactions. Both have their special appeal, and I play slightly differently from both. And of course, it's all about their reactions.

MrRandallspe -> RE: A Question for Sadists (6/21/2008 9:33:44 AM)
I suppose that I could trace my desire to cause pain to females all the way back to when my birth mother left us,her kids, with family so she could whore around with her many "boyfriends" thus starting my desire to hurt and punish females for those times,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Yet, it really stems from the reaction of those females I first enjoyed spanking when I was a teen and the wonderful feelings that I got from that.

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