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lucivar -> What is a "Red Flag"? (6/12/2008 7:16:19 PM)

What is a "Red Flag"?


A "Red Flag" is any indication that you should steer clear of a particular person, either Dom/me or sub. These can pop up at any time, though most often in the beginning of a potential relationship. They can be obvious or they can be subtle.

Some common examples might be:
1) Inappropriate questions or comments during the initial conversations, such as do you want to play? Or what are you wearing? Or what do you look like? Or asking for your phone number immediately, etc. Such questions have nothing at all to do with D/s, but rather indicate the person is looking for cyber or phone sex.

2) Moving too quickly: if the prospective Dom/me or sub seems to be in a hurry to begin a relationship, or to advance it faster than seems reasonable or comfortable for you. Like if they want to meet you within the first 10 minutes online. Trust is the cornerstone. And
cannot be rushed. Clearly, there is no arbitrary time frame, but most long-lasting relationships take several weeks if not months to build before actual contact.

3) Inappropriate attitude: "bow down and worship me" those who act as if every submissive must obey every so-called Dom, and begin giving or obeying orders from the word go. Or those who have the idea that each and every Tom, Dick, and Harry must be addressed as Sir, whether they know them or not. Many subs in the chat rooms do this, but respect is worth little if it is so lightly given. Both of these attitudes and practices show a poor understanding of the true dynamics of Dominance and submission.

4) Safety violations: reluctance to have a safeword or other safety precautions in place, either during the first meeting or later. Run.

5) Lack of communication: if your potential partner is reluctant to discuss something with you, pay attention. Likewise, and equally serious, if you are told directly or indirectly, that you may not discuss something with others, or may not talk to someone else, or may not go to a particular area, be careful. Trying to "gag" someone is a sign that something is wrong.

6) A persistent bad reputation: or unwillingness to give references. This can be tricky if the person you are talking to is new online, but it is still a red flag. Or perhaps a yellow one.

7) Trashing ex-partners. When someone is constantly talking about their ex publicly in the chat rooms and on bb's, i.e., trying to ruin their rep, try to keep in mind that you might be their "ex" someday and be subjected to such treatment if things do not go the way they
want. This is something that both Dom/mes and subs are frequently guilty of. Warning others of potential danger from an ex-partner is obviously a different case.

8) Frequent inconsistencies. If someone often makes contradictory statements from one day to the next, like Mon. tells you s/he has no children, then on Fri., mentions his/her son's birthday or something. If a person often seems to have a lot of trouble remembering what
they have said to you from one day to the next, it could be that they are telling a lot of people a lot of different things. Just in general, I would encourage anyone to really try to get to know
someone before making a final judgment on his or her character. However, caution and common sense should always rule. If you have doubts, do not give out personal information. You can still talk to this person, but be careful.

And please people, trust that GUT INSTINCT.

Cross-posted to the Albany Power eXchange message board
Taken from http://www.albanypowerexchange.com/red_flags.htm




Jnj -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/12/2008 7:19:28 PM)

The way you have posted this makes it appear as if you wrote it.




KatyLied -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/12/2008 7:22:05 PM)

quote:

The way you have posted this makes it appear as if you wrote it.


But we know better.




lucivar -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/12/2008 7:25:44 PM)

the message waz cut off and did not put the rest of the post in it haz been changed.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/12/2008 11:16:58 PM)

Out of all the advice in the long posting made.  I find the most important thing is...

Trust Your GUT INSTINCT

Don't try to relationalize it, just accept it.  I have yet to find anybody who's GUT INSTINCT was wrong, including my own.   If something feels really really wrong, chances are it's your Natural Spidey Senses kicking in trying to tell you something. 

Go with what Mother Nature is trying to tell.  Trust me, go against Mother Nature and she'll let you hang your ass, she can be a laughing Bitch with no sympathy for you in the end.




Prinsexx -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 1:00:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lucivar

What is a "Red Flag"?


One woman's red flag is another woman's Incredible Hulk.




ResidentSadist -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 2:47:10 AM)

You can’t argue with gut instinct.  




DesFIP -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 3:30:45 AM)

Re 1) So what's wrong with sex? Especially if both parties want to know they're sexually compatible?
Re 2) And where did you get your statistic that people who meet within a week can't have a long lasting relationship? Because I know a lot of people who say the opposite, that a refusal to meet for coffee quickly indicates the guy is married.
Re 4) What kind of safety precaution do you normally take when you go to Starbucks, order a latte and sit down at a table? In fact I was at Starbucks yesterday and felt perfectly safe, as always. In the years I've gone to one, I have never seen anyone dragged out against their will begging for help and being ignored. Is that really such a common occurence in your neck of the woods?
Re 5) I was reluctant to discuss a lot of stuff with him in the beginning being afraid of rejection, guess I'm just a wannabe and not really going to celebrate our fifth anniversary in a month.
Re 6) What kind of online references are there? And what about those of us who don't play casually? Think someone we spent 20 years with before divorcing is going to say we're a great person? Not to mention that nobody gives the name of someone who would give a bad reference.
Re 7) This might just indicate someone newly parted, who hasn't finished their grief cycle. Reminds me of the guy I used to know who my sister hated with a passion because she met him right after his wife left him, all he could do was rant about her and women in general. I didn't meet him for a month later at which point he was much more rational.

Sheesh, and although it claims to be written for male and female, sub and dom, it's obviously written from that perspective that grown women who are submissive are simple minded. That condescending attitude is offensive as hell and a damn good example that people like me who leave within driving distance of the Albany meetings won't ever go to one.




Prinsexx -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 5:23:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

You can’t argue with gut instinct.  

Sadly I guess you are right. I've had my suspicions for many years. I mean there must be another bi-atch slave somewhere in The Incredible Hulk's life. Who irons his new shirts and trousers when he goes back into vanilla life? No-one will tell me not even the script writers.........




TNstepsout -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 6:05:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Sheesh, and although it claims to be written for male and female, sub and dom, it's obviously written from that perspective that grown women who are submissive are simple minded. That condescending attitude is offensive as hell and a damn good example that people like me who leave within driving distance of the Albany meetings won't ever go to one.


Well let's be reasonable here. This is just a list of things that people need to be aware of. What you do with it is your own choice. If I encounter one of the above examples I don't immediately cut off all communication and put the person on ignore. That would be an over reaction because there can be exceptions when there are good reasons for some of these behaviors.  However, if I encounter one, I sort of mentally note it and then watch for others. If multiple Red Flags pop up, depending on how blatant or serious they are, I'll use caution or ask probing direct questions (such as "are you married?") or just discontinue communication altogether.

To skip blithely down the garden path, ignoring all warning signs because you have some belief that it's bad or wrong not to believe in people or give them the benefit of the doubt will surely make you one of those people who posts "whaaaa I've been scammed!".

Oh and here are a few others I've either personally encountered or heard from others on these boards:
1. My former Master/Mistress passed away.
2. The person you are chatting with suddenly passes away or is hospitalized and you are contacted by his/her friend/sibling/parent etc...
3. The person only chats with you when out of town on business and never seems to be around when home (married)
4. Too many outlandish experiences. Sure we've all had some crazy things happen, but a constant supply of tall tales is well.... not right.
5. Constant stories of being a victim.
6. Financial instability. (more leeway for younger people)
7. Sudden emergency just when you are supposed to meet in person such as, car problems, death in the family, hospitalization etc....





akisha -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 2:15:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TNstepsout


Oh and here are a few others I've either personally encountered or heard from others on these boards:
1. My former Master/Mistress passed away.   Why? People do pass away, it happens to hundreds every day. Chances are someone has had a Dominant or submissive die on them.

2. The person you are chatting with suddenly passes away or is hospitalized and you are contacted by his/her friend/sibling/parent etc...  This one I would say depends alot on what happens after the intial contract from the family memeber or friend.  Again, people do get into accidents and or die. My former step-daughter's bf was hit by a car on his way to meet her in Edmonton and ended up in a coma for 6 weeks.

3. The person only chats with you when out of town on business and never seems to be around when home (married) 
4. Too many outlandish experiences. Sure we've all had some crazy things happen, but a constant supply of tall tales is well.... not right.

5. Constant stories of being a victim. Some people are constantly the victim but that is usually because they set themselves up to be so and well I just don't have the patience for the drama of it all but it's not neccessarily a red flag.

6. Financial instability. (more leeway for younger people)  Divorce or lay offs or accidents where you can't work etc happen at any age. I was 31 with not a red cent to my name and a baby on my hip having to move back in with my mother. Not the greatest ego boost in my life but hey shit happens, you can't plan for everything.

7. Sudden emergency just when you are supposed to meet in person such as, car problems, death in the family, hospitalization etc.... I'd say this is only a red flag if it happens more then once with the same person. I've had to cancel meeting someone at a moments notice, sometimes shit happens.




I didn't add on to what's been said regarding the OP, pretty much what I think has already been said.  One persons "RULE LIST" is another personals BS list. We all go by what we figure will work best for us.





SimplyMichael -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 3:56:11 PM)

Red flags are not a reason to reject someone, but they ARE a signal that you should pay closer attention because there MIGHT be an issue. 

For instance

I live with my mom
I don't have a real job
I tell women I have never met what to wear and what to shave on a first date
I often play on the first date
I tend to ignore limits
I don't negotiate
I blew off and blocked BSB because she wouldn't call me fast enough
All the women I have fucked over trusted their gut instinct about me as did the women I made very happy.

Despite all that there are a couple of women here who would be more than willing to play with me.

So, when you hear something that seems like a red flag, you follow up and ask question.

I sold my house and quite a job paying $50k a year to go back to school and moved in with my mom.  I figured that would be real incentive to finish quickly.
I get full financial aid and don't need to work while in school.
I rarely play with people but when I do they have to WANT to be with me, most already know me, at least by reputation and they either say yes or no.  Yes means it is my way period.

I have to say though that if someone gives you different answers every time you talk to them, that isn't a red flag, that is a full on "back away slowly and make no sudden movements" sort of deal.  If you stay with someone who does that, you are just asking for it.




NumberSix -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 4:01:43 PM)

Dido, right?

No; that's White Flag-----dammit!!!!

6




flower2007 -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/13/2008 6:06:13 PM)

Wait, we're supposed to give references before meeting someone from the Internet?  Ok.....

Then again, I'd never in a million years wait several months before meeting someone.  My rule is a week.  I don't consider that rushing, I consider it not wasting time.




bipolarber -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/14/2008 7:19:18 AM)

If your partner says they'd like to play with you at their isolated cabin in the country... this could be a red flag.

If they tell you that most of their ex subs disappeared in the middle of the night, and you know he runs a butcher shop... this could be a red flag.

If they tell you that they really need someone to take care of them so they can quit their shitty telemarketing job... this could be a red flag.

If your sub calls home, and asks his Mom to please put his laundry into the drier... this could be a red flag.

If he or she has a locked closet, and a lot of DV equipment lying around their apartment... this could be a red flag.

If they have an inordinate number of meat cleavers, butcher knives, and barbed wire lying around the apartment, along with several boxes of "Industrial Strength Plastic Bags" and bags of quick lime... this could be a red flag.

If you go to their apartment, and you notice one wall is covered with photos of YOU, which you hadn't known anyone had taken... this could be a red flag.

If it's your first date, and they admit that they have a fantasy about being part of a gang rape...and would you like to take a walk in the park nearby... this could be a red flag.





TNstepsout -> RE: What is a "Red Flag"? (6/15/2008 3:17:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TNstepsout


Oh and here are a few others I've either personally encountered or heard from others on these boards:
1. My former Master/Mistress passed away.   Why? People do pass away, it happens to hundreds every day. Chances are someone has had a Dominant or submissive die on them.

2. The person you are chatting with suddenly passes away or is hospitalized and you are contacted by his/her friend/sibling/parent etc...  This one I would say depends alot on what happens after the intial contract from the family memeber or friend.  Again, people do get into accidents and or die. My former step-daughter's bf was hit by a car on his way to meet her in Edmonton and ended up in a coma for 6 weeks.

3. The person only chats with you when out of town on business and never seems to be around when home (married) 
4. Too many outlandish experiences. Sure we've all had some crazy things happen, but a constant supply of tall tales is well.... not right.

5. Constant stories of being a victim. Some people are constantly the victim but that is usually because they set themselves up to be so and well I just don't have the patience for the drama of it all but it's not neccessarily a red flag.

6. Financial instability. (more leeway for younger people)  Divorce or lay offs or accidents where you can't work etc happen at any age. I was 31 with not a red cent to my name and a baby on my hip having to move back in with my mother. Not the greatest ego boost in my life but hey shit happens, you can't plan for everything.

7. Sudden emergency just when you are supposed to meet in person such as, car problems, death in the family, hospitalization etc.... I'd say this is only a red flag if it happens more then once with the same person. I've had to cancel meeting someone at a moments notice, sometimes shit happens.

I didn't add on to what's been said regarding the OP, pretty much what I think has already been said.  One persons "RULE LIST" is another personals BS list. We all go by what we figure will work best for us.


Thank you for illustrating the point I made when I stated that sometimes there are good reasons for these behaviors and that the proper response to experiencing a "Red Flag" is not to overeact but to increase your vigilance and caution.




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