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WhiplashSmile2 -> The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 1:35:36 AM)

I'm not certain when in life I reached this conclusion or POV.

There was time when I figured out that simply having a one night stand, more times then not, frequently leads to one or other person feeling the firework rockets go off.  Most of the time, it's not mutual ether.

There was a time when I figured out that simply having a fuck buddy or BDSM play partner, would lead to the same firework rockets.  Where there were real growing emotions of some form or type of love.

That as much as we attempt to have cheap meaningless sex and play with one another, things generally turn out otherwise.

Even when we do have cheap meaningless wonder play or Sex, it tends to remind one of something missing or void, if we are not in emotionally involved in a relationship.   If we do have cheap meaningless sex or play, it tends to either drives one to become closer to their partner, or it starts to open up a small riff in the relationship.  Strange funny issues centered around love.

I'm not always perfect at always following my general code of conduct when I'm single.  However, I tend to give things careful thought before saying yes to a one night stand, play partner or having a fuck buddy.   Sure, things might start off nice and simple, but.... there's always those damn Firework Rockets and the high chances for some form of love to evol out of it.

Many times, the fireworks and love that starts to grow is not mutual.  That tends to fuck up our best intentions at having a relationship without love, one night stands without love, fuck buddies and play partners.

The Love and Rockets dynamic changes the landscape somewhat. Even more so when The Green Eyed Monster of Jealously rears it head.  The Greedy desire of simply wanting to spend more and more time with the object of affection.  The Pain in the Ass codependancy Triggers, Stalkerish behaviors.  The person not returning the Love might feel like an aweful person if they continue onward because they can not give love in return.  The person falling in love might not be able to use the Object of their affection for Wicked Nasty Kinky Abuse and use. So many different things can happen.  Let's not forget the people that hook up to make their Long term relationship partners jealous.  They know that it can draw their partners closer to them.  So they go out and find somebody to use.  Drama can unfold.  Endless mindless Drama. 

In many ways, there are some alternatives to cheating.  Such as Sharing, Swinging, Swapping, Cuckolding..  some of these things actually bring and draw people in relationships together.  However, it can also tear a relationship apart in a heatbeat.

It can be a bitch when one is single or not in a committed relationship, because that could be misunderstood that you are available.  Basically, just because I use somebody for sex or play it should not be assumed that I'm willing to take it any further.  However, I know better.  I know the Catch 22 involved.

I know the Catch 22 of having a relationship without Love as well.  When somebody is so deep into you, and you ain't feeling it.  I know the experience of having a slave jump on top of me while laying in bed, after I released her.  Having her in tears, in deep pain, beating on my chest, hearing "Don't you give up on me, Don't give up on us"... to have her pleading with me.  I did love her in my own way, but it was not the same.  Actually, I tend to think I had some sort of overly romantic ideal of Love stuck inside my head at the time.  Dare I say it now.  I think I was a complete asshole for having released her.  This is in retrospect.  

Love can be a strange thing, many of us humans don't fully understand it or get until we are older, some of us never get it or understand it.  Tends to fuck with our minds a little.  Personally, I enjoy what the Dictionary has to say about it Love and the many meanings.

Those Damn Love and Rockets.  Yes, this is a little word ploy on a Band name as well.  Got to Love the Catch 22 of it all.




DesFIP -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 3:35:19 AM)

You frequently fall desperately in love with someone you've only known for a few hours? Not me.




MissMagnolia -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 3:36:44 AM)

That would be in lust surely?




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 4:35:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

You frequently fall desperately in love with someone you've only known for a few hours? Not me.


LOL... actually I had intended to express one night stands with somebody actually known and not a complete stranger. 




MadRabbit -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 4:55:33 AM)

I prefer the term "organic connection", because I don't think this kind of physical chemistry does the word "Love" any justice. I think of "Love" as the other kind of connection and bond that's formed over time with the sharing of experiences and the overcoming of difficulties and tribulations.

I've had a few partners form these connections with me, but despite my efforts and the fact that I cared for them in a different way, I didn't feel anything for them. I had come to the conclusion that I couldn't form those kind of connections with people.

However, in the last week, I've had some rather powerful experiences that have completely changed that and it's been nothing short of amazing.

I can't explain why I have this warm feeling inside of me for this particular girl when I was cold for all the others, but I don't really think it is explainable.

It's just chemistry and just simply "is" or "isn't".




chamberqueen -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 6:01:41 AM)

I have had the opportunity to travel around the world, and have discovered how limited the English word for "love" is.  In most languages there are many words for the different kinds of love.  I am not "in love" with my Master; nor He with me, yet we have a very deep emotional bond.  He says that He adores me.  I am somewhat in awe of Him and how well He treats me, and trust Him with my mind, body, heart and soul, yet the typical application of the word love would still not be correct.  This is the most fulfilling relationship I've ever been in.  He cares for me beyond what anyone else ever has, and that has made the BDSM much more meaningful.  There are perks to this relationship that I never expected.  I feel truly filled with Him on many levels.

I don't think, though, that it is as simple as being in love or not.  Do I see fireworks?  You bet.  Are we in love?  No.  The whole thing that drew me to the lifestyle was the intimacy of it, the communication, and the trust.  When we go out in public we have a secret that we are choosing not to share with the vanilla world, though if someone walked up to me and asked if the man I was with was my Master I would proudly say yes.  The emotional bond between two people can be incredibly strong and definitely add to a relationship, but it doesn't have to be "conventional" love.




Skully7000 -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 7:13:24 AM)

I agree that meaningless sex for me is pretty meaningless.

on the other hand: some of my very best female friends were friends who we became intimate...not romantic just intimate... and after it ran its course we decided that we were perfectly happy being friends...

not to take anything away from the amazing times I had with them...but the physical and emotional bonds formed during the intimacy period pales in comparison to the family like bond we have now as "just friends"

whenever I got into a situation like that there were a few things to always be up front about:

1) Friends first... if anything physical is getting in the way of our friendship then we stop the physical imediately. save the friendship

2) Don't hide what you are feeling. If you start to grow  feelings explain them to the partner. they may just be New Relationship Energy(NRE) which will fade eventually but can mask or warp your true feelings.

there are many types of Love and bonding with someone is always a beautiful wonderful thing...it doesn't have to be in the "traditional" sense of the word.

stick to your guns while also allowing things to happen organically and you both can come out the other end quite happy and content with your experience...it doesn't have to end but it very well might change.

cheers
Skully




Dnomyar -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 8:26:31 AM)

M.M.  Im reporting you for outing me in here. What is wrong with lust.




LotusSong -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 9:01:51 AM)

quote:

I use somebody for sex or play it should not be assumed that I'm willing to take it any further


May I suggest you invest in a quality blow-up doll?




Leatherist -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 9:40:35 AM)

There's a big difference between love and infatuation.




Dnomyar -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 9:43:00 AM)

Lotus there is a big difference between love and inflation also.




Leatherist -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 9:47:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Lotus there is a big difference between love and inflation also.


True, but blow up dolls never have pms-unless you add ketchup.[;)]




Skully7000 -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 1:23:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Lotus there is a big difference between love and inflation also.


True, but blow up dolls never have pms-unless you add ketchup.[;)]


I got ketchup in my eye once... it burned for a solid day... I can't imagine the pain if ketchup got in "that" eye.

Owwww...




PsyVamp -> RE: The Catch 22, Love and Rockets (6/13/2008 5:18:29 PM)

I think I understand a bit...
My pet and I are not "in love" with each other. 
We are playmates, we are bedmates, we are housemates but we are not "Mates".
But because of the dynamic there is a lot of bonding and if not careful, one or the other could be confused into thinking it was more.  Add to the mix that we are both rather territorial and ... well you get the picture.

Lady Jag




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