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Asherdelampyr -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 7:13:21 PM)

wait.... that was it? that was the whole damn thing? That was the "Racist prostitution ad"?

I feel gyped

someone post a link to a racist ad soon so I can feel like this was worth my time... please?

its a specialty dating site, for fucks sake its not even an escort service




Alumbrado -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 7:13:36 PM)

Add me to the people wondering WTF?... Where does that ad say 'Filipino Women -- Hot Hot Hot'?

As far as I can see, it is a dating site, not porn or racist.




kittinSol -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 7:15:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

its a specialty dating site, for fucks sake its not even an escort service



That's really disappointing [8D] .




GreedyTop -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:20:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: pierymarc

We all have our preferences, and should not be judged for them.


Unless you don't like chocolate.
That's just weird.

(I'm just sayin'...)


*sob*

(I do  occasionally have Reeses...does that help?)




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:21:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

The funny thing about Google advertising is they will advertise Boy Racer type cars on a site dedicated to road safety campaigning because they are only looking for word connections such as with their search. This clumsy reliance on computers has caused great emotional distress to people in the past.

Oh well fuckered they be, no one can have an impact on the big corporations.



Do You really believe that FullCircle?  That no individual -- or group of individuals -- can impact the way a big company conducts business?
 
pinksugarsub




Alumbrado -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:22:45 PM)

Why are you not answering the questions?




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:25:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why are you not answering the questions?


you obviously havent spent much time on the topics started by this particular op

seems to be easier for her to just ignore the things that she doesnt agree with... 

If you are looking for some good solid debate, your best bet is to look elsewhere




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:26:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

It's over here.

What's weird is that this is your garden variety "mail order bride" website.  You can find these (Filipino, Thai, Mexican, Russian) all over the net.  It's not something unique to Google.

thornhappy



Yes, that was it thornhappy.  (Couldv'e saved me the trouble of putting the ad on photobucket, LOL.)
 
By any chance did you read the commentary by the "Happy Slip Production" P/pl?
 
pinksugarsub




Alumbrado -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:28:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why are you not answering the questions?


you obviously havent spent much time on the topics started by this particular op

seems to be easier for her to just ignore the things that she doesnt agree with... 

If you are looking for some good solid debate, your best bet is to look elsewhere




I hate good solid debates... there is almost never any loose change on the ground afterward.




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:31:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SinLee

they're hoping to increase revenue based on their target audience through using ads that don't contain these products.
that would be one completely viable explanation considering if their target audience involves mothers, cigarette and alcohol ads may discourage readers from buying the magazine so it's not lying out in front of their children.



That seems jaded to me SinLee.  You may well be right, but i think some companies engage in non-revenue generating conduct because it's the responsible thing to do.
 
Maybe i'm just being naieve.
 
pinksugarsub




thornhappy -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:31:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

It's over here.

What's weird is that this is your garden variety "mail order bride" website.  You can find these (Filipino, Thai, Mexican, Russian) all over the net.  It's not something unique to Google.

thornhappy



Yes, that was it thornhappy.  (Couldv'e saved me the trouble of putting the ad on photobucket, LOL.)
 
By any chance did you read the commentary by the "Happy Slip Production" P/pl?
 
pinksugarsub

Nope.    I could see the banner ad, and it's for mail-order brides.  Whatever you think about folks that would use them, it's hardly racist.  Objectifying women, possibly.

thornhappy




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 7:33:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

wait.... that was it? that was the whole damn thing? That was the "Racist prostitution ad"?

I feel gyped

someone post a link to a racist ad soon so I can feel like this was worth my time... please?

its a specialty dating site, for fucks sake its not even an escort service


My apologies, Sir.  i agreed with 'Happy Slip Productions' that the banner ad was racist, particularly when placed on their site.
 
i tried to explain in the Op i could not insert the image itself in my post, because that is not allowed here on the boards.
 
pinksugarsub




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:36:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why are you not answering the questions?


Which ones did i miss Alumbrado?
 
Sorry; trying to keep up here.
 
pinksugarsub




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:38:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why are you not answering the questions?


you obviously havent spent much time on the topics started by this particular op

seems to be easier for her to just ignore the things that she doesnt agree with... 

If you are looking for some good solid debate, your best bet is to look elsewhere


It's a shame You feel that way Sir, but if You do, why did You read this Op and then post on this thread? 
 
Just asking.
 
pinksugarsub




Alumbrado -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 7:39:25 PM)

We've seen the image, and it wasn't racist, it wasn't porn, it wasn't mail order brides.  It was simply a site like Collar Me...dating and singles targeted at a specific group. 

The words you quoted: 'Filipino Women -- Hot Hot Hot' are not to be found on there.

The only racism would appear to be  in the eyes of those who don't want people from the Phillipines to be allowed to date or chat on the internet, like everyone else can..




Alumbrado -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:43:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Why are you not answering the questions?


Which ones did i miss Alumbrado?
 
Sorry; trying to keep up here.
 
pinksugarsub



Posts 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, and 22, are all basically asking where is this racist porn with the words "Filipino Women -- Hot Hot Hot" that you assert was there.. neither the Happy Slip link or the actual web site shows anything resembling that.





pissthirstysub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:45:54 PM)

In a responce to the example, I checked out the happy slip website http://www.happyslip.com/2008/06/07/myspace-account-deleted/#more-253 . I disagree with her argument, as the dating site in question does not seem to be for profit as she would suggest. To answer the actual question though, racist, sexist advertising does exist (although not sure of what google has exactly). I think that advertisers believe that there is a greater portion of the population that would accept these images and buy lots of stuff for it. Is it greed? I don't know it seems like a chicken and egg type question.




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racists Advetising (6/13/2008 7:51:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tsatske

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Google is a publically traded company and it owes its responsibility to its stockholders, not to the preservation of the dignity of Fillipina womanhood. If a company is willing to buy ad banners promoting their fillipina porn site or mail order bride business etc - then thats revenue on Googles balance sheet and it is their duty to take that money. Google isnt a public service, it is a business.


DomAviator,
My sons' say they are in favor of the world being a 'Marketocracy', instead of, say, a democracy or oligarchy.
As I tell them all the time when we have simular conversations - this is exactly why i have such a responsibility to vote with my dollar. If i find something a company does, it's advertising, or the advertising it accepts, offensive enough, then i quit giving them my money. If enough people agree with me, then the 'bottom line' for stock holders is adversely effected by the decission i found offensive, and the company thinks twice before doing it again.
The companies only responsibility is to its stockholders, therefore, its only responsibility is to talk me into giving them my money. It does not, however, follow, that i have a responsibility to give them my money. They must earn that, and somehow manage not to lose the privilage of my money, and if they offend me, then they will lose it. That is the way the whole 'only responsibility is to the stock holders' thing works - that is the system of checks and balances in play.
That said, why would 'hot Filipino women' be any more offensive than any other porn? Because they are saying that some men find women sexy because they are of a certain race? well, that happens to be true. Are you saying that Filipinos are an at risk population - less able to protect themselves from certain types of influence from these advertisements or companies?


i liked that term "Marketocacy' tsatske.  Interesting.
 
i never visit porn sites, so i don't have any basis for comparision. 
 
i have no special knowledge of any womens' rights issues faced by Filipino women as compared to women generally.  (i'm assuming the term means women from the Phillipines, and i couldn't locate that on a globe if i tried.)
 
The Op was much more narrow, tsatske.  Does Google accept advertising revenues which result in racist ads? 
 
IMO, 'Happy Slip Productions' made a good case that, at least in this instance, Google had done just that.  i looked at the banner and the site, read the commentary and agreed.
 
i tried, as i said, to find a way to contact Google and register my concern about this, but i never found one.
 
As i said in the Op, it was not my intention to generate a discussion of racism in general.
 
Hope that clarifies things.
 
pinksugarsub




pinksugarsub -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 8:04:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

We've seen the image, and it wasn't racist, it wasn't porn, it wasn't mail order brides.  It was simply a site like Collar Me...dating and singles targeted at a specific group. 

The words you quoted: 'Filipino Women -- Hot Hot Hot' are not to be found on there.

The only racism would appear to be  in the eyes of those who don't want people from the Phillipines to be allowed to date or chat on the internet, like everyone else can..


Humm.  i'm having a hard time understanding how you inferred that the 'Happy Slip Production' commentary -- or the Op -- was about limiting A/anyone's access to the 'net.
 
You didn't find the banner ad -- placed by Google where it was -- to be racist.  Obviously, O/others looked at it and reached a different conclusion.  And?
 
Still -- how is this resonsive to the Op?  Do you feel Google has any duty to refrain from engaging in this conduct?  Do you feel instead that Google should be free to do whatever it thinks is most profitable?  What is your reasoning?
 
You are correct -- the phrase i quoted isn't part of the banner ad.  My bad.
 
i never said the ad was pornographic...i don't get the connection you seem to be making here.  That only a pornographic image can be racist?  i'm not following you.
 
pinksugarsub




GreedyTop -> RE: Google Accepts Racist Advetising -- is it Just Greed? (6/13/2008 8:17:02 PM)

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Still -- how is this resonsive to the Op?  Do you feel Google has any duty to refrain from engaging in this conduct?


um.. what conduct? I personally have never seen anything I construed as being racist in Google ads / banners.




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