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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 5:48:23 PM   
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No, it's not quite as Popeye said but Obama is completely capitulating instead of showing leadership on this issue. We need someone that will put the needs of the people first, over the desires of his own corporate sponsors.

We need a candidate that doesn't exist!




As usual Churro, you and me are very close on this.
I'm a "free man" as are you and every other citizen in this country.
I really don't want someone in the White House who thinks of themselves as a "leader."
I *really* don't need or have any *desire* to be lead anywhere by anyone.
What I do want is a very competant *Manager* in the White House!
Someone who "knows" finance (unlike McCain who admitted he knows "nothing" about finance) and who is not a global socialist like Obama who would put the interests of foreign countries ahead of the U.S.
I'm a huge advocate of "job descriptions" in govt.
And the higher the position the more *critical* the need for job descriptions.
Of course we need to have more control over a senator than we would the guy cutting the lawn at the White House.
"Senator" is not supposed to be a position of "power." It *is* supposed to be a position of *service* to your country.
That seat doesn't belong to the senator, it *belongs* to The People of his state who are giving him or her the priviledge to sit in it, temporarily.
It's not for getting involved with lobbyists and having a lisense to steal.
I don't understand how some people can lose sight of that so quickly.
But,...I was trained in business management and look at problems differently than most people and I digress.
Unless you're going to specialise in something I'm not a big fan of giving your money to the "degree factories." That's 1960's thinking when we didn't have the albatross of this "global economy" around our necks!
(Anyone who considers dumping money into third world countries for 40 years with no results and none even on the distant horizon a "success" should be *barred* from public office!)
(I had a proffessor in business school who told us at the start of his class; "I'm going to teach you how to think, act, and become a Capitalist!"
"How to cut the competition off right at their ("fucking" under his breath) KNEES!"
To "BURY" them!" Lol! Of course we called him,  "Krueschov")
Medicine, Accounting (but not so much anymore) Pharmacists, Engineering, The Sciences, and many other degrees will help you.
And if you can sell you'll always do well!
And Teaching, one of the "most" important callings that there is is making a comeback in a lot of areas! I just happen to think that *Teaching* is one of the "nobelist" of  professions! And of course one of the most underpaid.
After all, where would *any of us* be without Teachers?
So, it's not just about "money" but the satisfaction there is to be had from a job too.
The "soft sciences" probably not so much as too many people go into them as it is,(Supply and Demand.) they don't require a lot of math.
In my humble opinion it would be better to take that $100,000 or so and start your own business!
You'll work 100 hour weeks for 7 days a week for a long time but *if* you make it I can think of very few things that can bring as much satisfaction and sense of accomplishment. Making a payroll every week is one of the things that has made this country what it is.
This has become the "knowledge economy" not the degree economy as much as it was in the last century.
There's a word and term called "overqualified."
Be careful, you can have a degree and be "overqualified" for a position too.
It's funny but one high school dropout today who knows how to use a computer has access to an infinate more amount of information right at their very fingertips than anyone in the 1960's ever did.
That's the key, information and knowledge.
And there's a lot of things "not" to do too but that's for another thread.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 6:31:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		DMF, if you've read some of my other posts, you'll notice that I am in the process of opening a small business.  And if everything goes well, we might be able to hire one or two people within a year.  Now if another 500 jobs are shipped out of this town to Honduras, Mexico, or Timbuktu, two jobs won't make a dent in that.
If you've ever lived in towns where mass outsourcing shut down their major employers, you should have seen people not doing better but doing worse.  Its not bitching to state a fact that the American working class got raped by NAFTA.  Its an observation.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 6:32:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi- Usually your state employment agency has data on emerging careers.  I would strongly recommend you check that out.. If skills are needed, search for your local community college- always a good bargain for your money.   Green is the new buzz word so careers in this area will be big as well as the all encompassing homeland security areas.

It's very important to find out what motivates you- in my opinion, the younger you are the more work/life balance you want to have so any career or opportunity you seek must have that.  Gone are the days of the life long employer- make sure wherever you are, you sign up for a good 401- thats portable- and if yoru employer matches all the better.


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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 6:40:50 PM   
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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 6:44:00 PM   
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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/15/2008 10:32:13 PM   
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Chickpea,

I like your ideas, but get the numbers right.  Its not a Trillion Dollar Debt, its over 9 Trillion.  http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/


1 or 9  how depressing to wake up and know that your country is at least trillions in debt  *big headache*  hello bean counters?!


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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/17/2008 8:32:51 PM   
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DMF, if you've read some of my other posts, you'll notice that I am in the process of opening a small business.  And if everything goes well, we might be able to hire one or two people within a year.  Now if another 500 jobs are shipped out of this town to Honduras, Mexico, or Timbuktu, two jobs won't make a dent in that.
If you've ever lived in towns where mass outsourcing shut down their major employers, you should have seen people not doing better but doing worse.  Its not bitching to state a fact that the American working class got raped by NAFTA.  Its an observation.


I'm willing to be persuaded that NAFTA isn't all roses, but I'm not there yet.  Yes, it sucks that major companies withdrew from the heartland due to outsourcing being more cost-effective... but that's been happening for almost the entire lifespan of this country, for one reason or another.  There are ghost towns from mining, ranching, and corporate wreckage littered all over our heartland. 

The fact is, if we do not take advantage of competitive services in foreign nations, we WILL fall behind the world economy.  China for almost a thousand years before the Age of Imperialism was entirely self-sufficient; and it continued to be self-sufficient... yet it was, to put it gently, turned on its head regardless of its equilibrium; because equilibrium was not as powerful as the hectic, haphazard vigor of Europe.  Read 'Guns, Germs, and Steel' for a more scholarly explanation of the phenomenon.

Yes, we CAN rely on American workers, and yes, in the short term (short being relative, call it the next 10-80 years or so due to unpredictable factors in world economies that may shift the balance, such as Chinese/Mexican wages rising higher than our own) it would be better for all concerned economically; but as a whole, closing those doors will lead to stagnation.  In the long term, our grandchildren will get eaten.  I don't want that.  Neither should you. 

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/17/2008 8:45:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I take it back... it depends on the sector.  The IT sector would be crippled if it weren't for the contributions of hundreds of thousands of foreign workers doing my job a lot cheaper than I do.  My life, and your lives, would suffer for the loss.

If it weren't for imported fruits and vegetables, my diet would not be nearly as rich.

If it weren't for electronics corporations in China stealing designs and improving on them, our phones and PSPs would be a lot more expensive, or wouldn't exist at all.

If it weren't for competition, we would not have such a thing as the 21st Century the way we do.  Learn to love it when somebody beats you, man... When your job is outsourced to a Mexican, get some friends together and offer that mexican more money if he'll do it for you instead of them.  Use your knowledge and experience in the industry to make sure that the end product is better than what it would have been; innovate, create, and adapt.  The end product, and its buyers, still exist, you know.  Those haven't changed.  Losing your job to someone else means you haven't hit the limit yet, there's more out there to take and they just showed you the way.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/17/2008 9:18:01 PM   
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It is no joke when I say that the CIA, NSA, and other intelligence services are always hiring.


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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/17/2008 11:50:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		DMF, I could argue with you against "NAFTA" for 1,000 pages in here.
Even former senator Phil Graham appologised for ever getting us involved in it.
What do you think would happen if tens of millions of lawyers were sneaking into this country from Mexico and lawyers rates were down to $15 per hour?
Something tells me the people in Washington would put a stop to that real quickly!
And we're not "competing" in this "global economy."
What's going on now isn't "capitalism" it's "global socialism"
Who in hell are we "competing" against when illegal Mexicans are "remitting" $45 billion a year back to Mexico and costing U.S. Taxpayers over $92 Billion in stolen services in this country every year and we're giving "foreign aid" to more than 130 countries?
On top of that Yahoo News reports that $200Billion of our intellectual property is now stolen every year!
I don't know about you but I *DON'T* want to buy the world a Coke!
Fuck 'em!
"Competing?"

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 12:30:41 AM   
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If said people are college educated, I can recomend government employment.

It is no joke when I say that the CIA, NSA, and other intelligence services are always hiring.



Yeah the intelligence services are hiring - IF you can pass a SSBI, and a polygraph, and drug test and have no skeletons in your closet at all. (such as homosexuality / bisexuality / any type of an "unconventional" sex life, a bad credit rating, debt etc...) Of course, they also want an outstanding military record  or some highly specialized skills - fluency in various languages of interest, forensic accounting background, outstanding computer abilites particularly in relation to network security, signal interception, cyrptography, etc...

Generally speaking, if one of the "three letter agencies" wants you, they will come to you. They certainly arent hurting for people, just qualified ones. Its not like any BS liberal arts degree will get you in the door and if you fuck up the background investigation you can find yourself in prison.... Such as the NY State Trooper who's pre-employment CIA polygraph revealed a great big evidence tampering scandal that resulted in several troopers going to prison...

Of course if you do sign up for them - its essentially a public service career and the pay sucks dogshit through a straw. Far less than an equally qualified person can make in the private sector. (Hence the reason I am not delivering people for extrordinary rendition in three letter shell company owned corporate jets, and why people go do IT security for an online bank instead of breaking it for the NSA.)

Oh yeah, and there is the other little thing about the actual work being boring as shit... People go in expecting to play "Spy Games" like Jack Bauer and instead most have a brilliant career writing detailed reports on grain production and rainfall in Mozambique, and translating calls of some Pakistani dude ordering a goat curry with extra koos koos LOL

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 2:44:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, Popeye, start a thread somewhere else and I'll gird up for battle.

Like I said, I'm willing to be convinced, but I'm a stubborn ass and my experience tells me that the positives outweigh the negatives.  So be prepared to back up every statement in triplicate, with references and sources.  I will be.

Send me a PM in case I can't find the thread, if you'd be so gracious.  It's past time that I addressed this topic in a thorough fashion, and settled the question to my own satisfaction; and you seem fairly knowledgeable on the subject, a worthy opponent.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 2:53:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't help it.... Popeye, that bit about lawyers?  You have now caught my complete attention.

If we could get the practice of law so common-denominator that it cost $15/hour, I would be fvcking ECSTATIC.  I kind of get your point, but if you want it to drive home you'll have to use a different example, because the idea you've presented fills me with evil glee.

I want to make a few phone calls and see if I can't start a legal sweatshop in Mexico...

Wait.  You know?  That is actually not a bad idea.  It's a scary good idea.  I'll bet I can really get some investors behind it...  wow... I'm going blind with the possibilities there--we could offer it as an online legal service, I can even think of 3 or 4 marketing slogans right off the bat--Popeye, I think you've just done a very bad thing.  Hmm, I'll bet someone else is already doing it though, now I have to go look.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 2:57:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I say that we build some refineries in Mexico to help get us cheaper gas.  The labor would be cheaper, the EPA has no say so in Mexico and the labor would be cheaper.Supply would go up and costs would theoretically come down.  THATS global economy working.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 3:09:54 AM   
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I can't help it....

If we could get the practition of law so common-denominator that it cost $15/hour, I would be fvcking ECSTATIC.  I kind of get your point, but if you want it to drive home you'll have to use a different example, because the idea you've presented fills me with evil glee.

I want to make a few phone calls and see if I can't start a legal sweatshop in Mexico...

Wait.  You know?  That is actually not a bad idea.  It's a scary good idea.  I'll bet I can really get some investors behind it...  wow... I'm going blind with the possibilities there--we could offer it as an online legal service, I can even think of 3 or 4 marketing slogans right off the bat--Popeye, I think you've just done a very bad thing.  Hmm, I'll bet someone else is already doing it though, now I have to go look.


You cant do it. The most you could do is a legal forms filling service like legalzoom.com or the various entities that form corporations etc. It is illegal to share legal fees, or to own or operate a law firm unless you yourself are an attorney.

Ie I could have "house counsel" that handles my own internal business matters, but I cannot offer their services to the public unless I myself am an attorney admitted to the bar in that jurisdiction. I cannot even "invest in a lawyer" ie rent an office, outfit it, advertise and market it, hire a law school grad, etc unless I am a lawyer. A lawyer offering his services to the public, can not do so in partnership, or on the payroll of,  anyone except fellow lawyers.  You cannot own a law firm or be a partner in one without being a lawyer.

Been there, looked into that at length - with an attorney as a prospective partner - and we found that doing it would get him disbarred and me thrown in jail. (and this was researched to the point of writing letters to several bar associations, sitting jurists, and attorney generals. They do protect their turf rather viciously.

Now "form completion services" are different story - until you, or an employee/secretary/paralegal fucks up and gives "advice or counsel" and then SLAM the hammer comes down...  Form completion services are legal - but the second you tell the client "because shes a bitchy cheating cunt" is not grounds for divorce and he would be better served with "cruel and inhuman treatment" in Block 7 - you are "practicing law".

Don't waste your time researching it at any great length unless you yourself are an attorney. Can't be done or I would have been in that biz for 2 years already

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 5:14:32 AM   
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I can't help it.... Popeye, that bit about lawyers?  You have now caught my complete attention.

If we could get the practice of law so common-denominator that it cost $15/hour, I would be fvcking ECSTATIC.  I kind of get your point, but if you want it to drive home you'll have to use a different example, because the idea you've presented fills me with evil glee.

I want to make a few phone calls and see if I can't start a legal sweatshop in Mexico...

Wait.  You know?  That is actually not a bad idea.  It's a scary good idea.  I'll bet I can really get some investors behind it...  wow... I'm going blind with the possibilities there--we could offer it as an online legal service, I can even think of 3 or 4 marketing slogans right off the bat--Popeye, I think you've just done a very bad thing.  Hmm, I'll bet someone else is already doing it though, now I have to go look.


I don't think this would work.
For many reasons.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/18/2008 6:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Blushes, sure it would work, with India.
They graduate lawyers and doctors by the tens of thousands.
It's called the law of supply and demand.
Flood the market with hundreds of thousands of them!
It's funny, the people who are supposed to be running our govt won't work for $15 bucks an hour but, they'll tell YOU to work for $15 bucks an hour!

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/20/2008 7:32:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The link I kept coming up with was 'prepaid legal services.'

If those guys aren't importing some work from somewhere I'm a monkey's uncle's prison bitch.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/20/2008 7:50:39 AM   
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The link I kept coming up with was 'prepaid legal services.'

If those guys aren't importing some work from somewhere I'm a monkey's uncle's prison bitch.


Prepaid Legal is a multilevel marketing scam that serves as a referral service to substandard attorneys... They have been  villified in many articles in "The Steet" and their board is a rouges gallery of felons, fraudsters, and miscellenaious shady types. http://www.thestreet.com/_mktw/stocks/melissadavid/10030240.html

Nonetheless, PPL doesnt do any legal work whatsoever, they are a 'legal discount plan' that is in reality more of a fraud than anything else. (Why pay a monthly membership fee when you can get a free consultation with a lawyer more reputable than the dregs who affiliate with PPL? You pay your fee, get your free consultation, and then they tell you ok for a retainer of $____ I can do something. LOL)

Once again - you cannot own a law firm or any part thereof,  or share in legal fees, unless you are an attorney. Depending on the jurisdiction - it can even be illegal for my lawyer to send me a bottle of scotch for referring him a client. There is absolutely no money to be made in the practice of law, online or otherwise, unless you have a JD or LLM and have been sworn in before the bar... (not just passed the test but actually been sworn) They take that shit VERY seriously.

Funny story, my idiot ex-brother in law (who is living proof that a chimpanzee can pass the bar exam given enough attempts), wound up in hack before he even got his license. Once he passed the exam, on his application for admission he put his job title down as "Associate" at the law firm that hired him. An "Associate" is a lawyer who isnt a partner, and since he was not a lawyer yet he was a clerk not an associate... As a result of that seemingly minor error of semantics his admission was held up by six months, and he recieved a sanction, and he lost the job at the firm...

Lawyers dont fuck around! They are an exclusive little club and they guard what turf is theirs with a vengence the Bloods and Crips would envy.

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RE: A/anyone Have Any Vocational Advice? - 6/20/2008 8:30:06 AM   
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