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Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 2:17:42 AM   
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I had a bit of a personal apithony this morning.  The result from chasing slave girl ass on the other side and recent email exchanges.  I have been somewhat at loss to why, I'm so damn open to different types of painsluts (super maso types), daddy little girls, sluts, and whatnot.  However, it goes past these stereotype labels.  I have been trying to figure out the basis for my Open minded nature regarding different things or combinations.   Why should a Male Dom be this damn adaptive?  Meaning I should have a more set in stone idea of what things I'm looking for.    Not going back and fourth over the friggen menu trying to figure out what the Hell I want to order right?  LOL...

It struck me, that I'm into capturing the essense of a slave.  To become in tune with their nature and spirit and ultilize and build upon those things.

I've also had been trying to figure out something else.  Why I'm big into wanting to know what turns a submissive/slave on.  What makes them tick.   In fact, this could be mistaken for a service top.

Basically, me knowing and doing things that I know damn well exceit a sub/slave, is part of my way of turning them into a Dirty Slutty girl.   It's one thing to use somebody like a slutty girl, another thing for them to actually feel like a Dirty slutty girl.  I simply want to elevate their sex drive and desires.   In many ways, I'm simply taking control of things and working and building off from it.   Call it one of my many evil ways of shaping and molding.  I have to figure out what makes a sub/slave really tick inside to do this and do it well.

For instance, If I'm calling somebody a Dirty Slut that is not turned on, well.. it really does not have the same effect.. as if their clit is throbbing to death and I'm saying it.   Now, I have truely a Dirty Slutty Girl on my hands.  I've managed to capture part of her essence and manipulate it.  Yes, I said that dirty word.. Manipulate!   But it's true, so go ahead and shoot me for the bastard that I am.

However, all this stuff is not limited on a kink or sexual level.  It applies on the relationship or D/s level as well.  If somebody has a strong desire in the service department and I know about it.  I will run with it to the hilt.  I one desires a lot of micromanagement, I will run that to the hilt, provided it does interfer with things I need to get gone.  If something becomes an inconvience to me, I will not do it.   However, I want them to feel used and damn well used well.  To make it a point to remind them of well they are being used.  

In short, I try to take with the core essence of what I have on my hands, and build off from it.  I make good use of it as well.  I do have needs, wants, and desires that a submissive/slave should be able to fillfull.  But what are the extra add-on services or uses I can tap into.

In many regards, if I end up with a hardcore Maso girl, well this provides me with areas of deeper exploration.  Just how sadistic can I be within my own humanity?  What kind of limits in myself will I discover?  It's a bit like opening up Pandora's Box.  So with that said.   Things make a little more sense regarding my somewhat "open minded" nature.

I'm interested in if anybody else thinks along these same lines?  I thought I'd make this post, because I've been at somewhat of a loss for a little while trying to figure a few things out.   Even more considering the range of possible options online. 




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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 3:24:36 AM   
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Maybe, like your chosen nic, you're trying waaaay too hard to the point of overcompensating for feelings of inadequacy? 
 
Not that I'm a shrink, mind you - perhaps you'd benefit by running it past someone who is...?
 
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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 3:47:26 AM   
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Praise all gods that most men are turned on by the arousal of their partner!  Doesn't make them a "service Top" at all.  Praise all gods that i am aroused by the arousal of my Master!  This mutual arousal is fat-free carb-free food for the soul.  It is being turned on by my Master's arousal that creates that situation where i can orgasm just by serving.  It's not something i would want to spend my time over-thinking.

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 4:02:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

I had a bit of a personal apithony this morning.  The result from chasing slave girl ass on the other side and recent email exchanges.  I have been somewhat at loss to why, I'm so damn open to different types of painsluts (super maso types), daddy little girls, sluts, and whatnot.  However, it goes past these stereotype labels.  I have been trying to figure out the basis for my Open minded nature regarding different things or combinations.  

Okay.  Hope You find what You seek, Sir.

Why should a Male Dom be this damn adaptive?  Meaning I should have a more set in stone idea of what things I'm looking for.    Not going back and fourth over the friggen menu trying to figure out what the Hell I want to order right?  LOL...

i disagree.  i think E/everyone has to struggle with this, especially P/pl W/who are not currently in a D/s relationship.

It struck me, that I'm into capturing the essense of a slave.  To become in tune with their nature and spirit and ultilize and build upon those things.

Eau de Slave, Sir?

I've also had been trying to figure out something else.  Why I'm big into wanting to know what turns a submissive/slave on.  What makes them tick.   In fact, this could be mistaken for a service top.

Naw, not in Yr case Sir.  *hugs*

Basically, me knowing and doing things that I know damn well exceit a sub/slave, is part of my way of turning them into a Dirty Slutty girl.   It's one thing to use somebody like a slutty girl, another thing for them to actually feel like a Dirty slutty girl.  I simply want to elevate their sex drive and desires.   In many ways, I'm simply taking control of things and working and building off from it.   Call it one of my many evil ways of shaping and molding.  I have to figure out what makes a sub/slave really tick inside to do this and do it well.

Interesting; so this really gets Yr motor running?

For instance, If I'm calling somebody a Dirty Slut that is not turned on, well.. it really does not have the same effect.. as if their clit is throbbing to death and I'm saying it.   Now, I have truely a Dirty Slutty Girl on my hands.  I've managed to capture part of her essence and manipulate it.  Yes, I said that dirty word.. Manipulate!   But it's true, so go ahead and shoot me for the bastard that I am.

Okay.  <Pow!>

However, all this stuff is not limited on a kink or sexual level.  It applies on the relationship or D/s level as well.  If somebody has a strong desire in the service department and I know about it.  I will run with it to the hilt.  I one desires a lot of micromanagement, I will run that to the hilt, provided it does interfer with things I need to get gone.  If something becomes an inconvience to me, I will not do it.   However, I want them to feel used and damn well used well.  To make it a point to remind them of well they are being used.  

Okay, makes sense.

In short, I try to take with the core essence of what I have on my hands, and build off from it.  I make good use of it as well.  I do have needs, wants, and desires that a submissive/slave should be able to fillfull.  But what are the extra add-on services or uses I can tap into.

Do Y/you mean what turns us on Sir?  i can't help much; i'm a pleasure submissive -- not the sort of girl You seem to be seeking.

In many regards, if I end up with a hardcore Maso girl, well this provides me with areas of deeper exploration.  Just how sadistic can I be within my own humanity?  What kind of limits in myself will I discover?  It's a bit like opening up Pandora's Box.  So with that said.   Things make a little more sense regarding my somewhat "open minded" nature.

Okay; i'm happy You are considering such things as a Sadist.  Seems very wise.

I'm interested in if anybody else thinks along these same lines?  I thought I'd make this post, because I've been at somewhat of a loss for a little while trying to figure a few things out.   Even more considering the range of possible options online. 

Dunno if You'd be interested in anything i might have to say in response Sir.  i'm not a slave; i'm not maso; etc.  But if You would like my comments, just lemme know, i'll be happy to try and make a sensible post later on this thread.

i very much doubt Yr ponderings are any different from Those who are real Doms, Sir.
 
Happy Father's Day!
 
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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 4:15:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

Maybe, like your chosen nic, you're trying waaaay too hard to the point of overcompensating for feelings of inadequacy? 
 
Not that I'm a shrink, mind you - perhaps you'd benefit by running it past someone who is...?
 
Focus.


Actually this nic was created with the intent of busting somebody who was playing games with me.  I'm giving a raised eyebrow upon your comment.   The overcompensating part I accept, because I'm going back and forth sorting a few things out right now.   The whole lifestyle ReEntry I've been going through.  The internet explosion.   I'm having to crack off and shed the vanilla image I tried stuffing myself into for a decade.  The whole process of meeting somebody seems and feels backwards compared to real time.   Plus, some things have changed about me.   I find myself not simply picking up things where I last left off at with "the lifestyle".   Mind you, now... I'm faced with where I sort of fit in with the BDSM jello molds and stereotyping.  When communicating with others, what is the best or more accurate way to describe things about myself or share with others.  Things that are a little more solid compared being a little fuzzy or not so clear.   At times I'm going to the Left and then to the Right.  A bit of back in forth, as the result I tend to Over Compensate while sorting things out.  Even more so when probing at the depth.

In terms of inadequency that's not my issue.  I know I more then capable of anything or everything.  I'm actually going through this same shit with Music.  I've been writing songs using different Genres and styles now.  I'm exploring new Avenues I have never done before.  Such as Roctronical, Industrial Dance, NuMetal, Modern Country Rock, something called WeirdoCore as well.   I've played in traditional 80's styles Hair metal bands (cock rock), and done some alternative Punk Music, and Southern Rock bands.   All this is new territory for me, It's excieting and a bit confusing as to what Genre's I'm going to actually settle down into.  I really confident about playing Guitar, singing, laying out Synth and Bass lines.  

Both Music and BDSM, is a process of rediscovery.  I Love both, but when you have been out of it for awhile and return.. and start to explore things on level you had not.  Sure, it becomes a bit of a bitch.

This is probally a form of Mid-Life crisis I'm going through, and I'm aware of it... Choices and decisions.  A long term relationship can effect one for a number of years in life.  I only have so many years left.   I know that I'm running out of my youthful time you know.  LOL...

 

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 4:31:31 AM   
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My friend, it's called POWER. It's something I understand about myself. What is wrong with that. I get off on the POWER to make a woman reach peaks of pleasure. Using pain, pleasure, force, some humiliation, love, superiority, whatever I want to drive her crazy and push her to new heights. I want her to discover parts of herself that she didn't even know existed.

If this is bad, then I'm very, very bad. But that is what is my primary driving force. POWER.

Edited to add:
When I was 12, my parents took me to a psychiatrist because I was involved with an "older" woman. She was 17. I initiated the relationship. I was in charge. The shrink said I was brilliant and mature, but was driven by power dynamics in a relationship. He said I had to be "in control". I was still laughing over him asking if I liked to masturbate over pictures of women in underwear in the catalog. So, while the urge for power may not fit the norm, it is also not "OVERCOMPENSATING".

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 4:51:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

Maybe, like your chosen nic, you're trying waaaay too hard to the point of overcompensating for feelings of inadequacy? 
 
Not that I'm a shrink, mind you - perhaps you'd benefit by running it past someone who is...?
 
Focus.


Actually this nic was created with the intent of busting somebody who was playing games with me.  I'm giving a raised eyebrow upon your comment.   The overcompensating part I accept, because I'm going back and forth sorting a few things out right now.   The whole lifestyle ReEntry I've been going through.  The internet explosion.   I'm having to crack off and shed the vanilla image I tried stuffing myself into for a decade.  The whole process of meeting somebody seems and feels backwards compared to real time.   Plus, some things have changed about me.   I find myself not simply picking up things where I last left off at with "the lifestyle".   Mind you, now... I'm faced with where I sort of fit in with the BDSM jello molds and stereotyping.  When communicating with others, what is the best or more accurate way to describe things about myself or share with others.  Things that are a little more solid compared being a little fuzzy or not so clear.   At times I'm going to the Left and then to the Right.  A bit of back in forth, as the result I tend to Over Compensate while sorting things out.  Even more so when probing at the depth.

In terms of inadequency that's not my issue.  I know I more then capable of anything or everything.  I'm actually going through this same shit with Music.  I've been writing songs using different Genres and styles now.  I'm exploring new Avenues I have never done before.  Such as Roctronical, Industrial Dance, NuMetal, Modern Country Rock, something called WeirdoCore as well.   I've played in traditional 80's styles Hair metal bands (cock rock), and done some alternative Punk Music, and Southern Rock bands.   All this is new territory for me, It's excieting and a bit confusing as to what Genre's I'm going to actually settle down into.  I really confident about playing Guitar, singing, laying out Synth and Bass lines.  

Both Music and BDSM, is a process of rediscovery.  I Love both, but when you have been out of it for awhile and return.. and start to explore things on level you had not.  Sure, it becomes a bit of a bitch.

This is probally a form of Mid-Life crisis I'm going through, and I'm aware of it... Choices and decisions.  A long term relationship can effect one for a number of years in life.  I only have so many years left.   I know that I'm running out of my youthful time you know.  LOL...

Your priorities evolve with age....  There was a time I was against "midlife" issues, now I'm just against getting old!  lol
 
Looking at all these different kinds of..., errr....,  music(?), I'm reminded of the ole sage advice of "keep it simple".....  Like when Jake Blues (John Belushi - Blues Brothers) asked what kinda music was played at the local redneck establishment and was told, "Sugar, we got both kinds; Country AND Western".... 
 
Lol, from the mouths of babes AND hometown country girls....
 
From a D/s perspective, you can't be doing too bad considering the intentional baiting I gave you and the calm and considered response you've come back with... ;-)
 
Focus.

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 5:16:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MidMichCowboy

My friend, it's called POWER. It's something I understand about myself. What is wrong with that. I get off on the POWER to make a woman reach peaks of pleasure. Using pain, pleasure, force, some humiliation, love, superiority, whatever I want to drive her crazy and push her to new heights. I want her to discover parts of herself that she didn't even know existed.

If this is bad, then I'm very, very bad. But that is what is my primary driving force. POWER.

Edited to add:
When I was 12, my parents took me to a psychiatrist because I was involved with an "older" woman. She was 17. I initiated the relationship. I was in charge. The shrink said I was brilliant and mature, but was driven by power dynamics in a relationship. He said I had to be "in control". I was still laughing over him asking if I liked to masturbate over pictures of women in underwear in the catalog. So, while the urge for power may not fit the norm, it is also not "OVERCOMPENSATING".


This is so funny.  I forget about jacking off to the girls in the Sears & Robucks catalog.  I always loved it when mom would pick up the newest one too.  I used to drag the catalogs into the bathroom, use the girls to death in my twisted dark fantasy world.  All this way before I was teenager.   I've never claimed to be anything near normal.  I felt urges to piss on girls way back in 4th grade.  I had fantasies of them laying naked on the bathroom floor, legs forced spread wide open.. and well.. just things that any good normal boy should not be thinking at that age.

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 5:38:58 AM   
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If a Dom/me does not care about whether their partner is getting something out of it then they are just a sadist or into the power trip.  I entertain almost any kink in my subs.  What is important to me is that I have gotten into their heads and seen something that they have shared with no one else; sometimes not even with themselves.  Being adaptable does not mean catering to their needs and forgetting your own, but being open to enjoyment in any form.  (I also enjoy an eclectic range of music, foods, architecture, artwork, etc.)  As long as both you and the subs are getting something out of it, more power to you.


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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 6:05:42 AM   
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What is important to me is that I have gotten into their heads and seen something that they have shared with no one else; sometimes not even with themselves. 


Ooh! *steals that wording for herself* Thank you! I would have said it much more wordy than that. :P

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 6:47:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Basically, me knowing and doing things that I know damn well exceit a sub/slave, is part of my way of turning them into a Dirty Slutty girl.   It's one thing to use somebody like a slutty girl, another thing for them to actually feel like a Dirty slutty girl.  I simply want to elevate their sex drive and desires.   In many ways, I'm simply taking control of things and working and building off from it.   Call it one of my many evil ways of shaping and molding.  I have to figure out what makes a sub/slave really tick inside to do this and do it well.

For instance, If I'm calling somebody a Dirty Slut that is not turned on, well.. it really does not have the same effect.. as if their clit is throbbing to death and I'm saying it.   Now, I have truely a Dirty Slutty Girl on my hands.  I've managed to capture part of her essence and manipulate it.  Yes, I said that dirty word.. Manipulate!   But it's true, so go ahead and shoot me for the bastard that I am.

In short, I try to take with the core essence of what I have on my hands, and build off from it.  I make good use of it as well.  I do have needs, wants, and desires that a submissive/slave should be able to fillfull.  But what are the extra add-on services or uses I can tap into.

In many regards, if I end up with a hardcore Maso girl, well this provides me with areas of deeper exploration.  Just how sadistic can I be within my own humanity?  What kind of limits in myself will I discover?  It's a bit like opening up Pandora's Box.  So with that said.   Things make a little more sense regarding my somewhat "open minded" nature.



I see absolutely *nothing* wrong with what you've said.  I suppose it's a matter of finding the girl with the core essence you are attracted to and wish to play with and building from there.  It's hard sometimes to figure out exactly what sort of person you need to partner with, and it sounds like you're well on your way to understanding it. 

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 8:33:07 AM   
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FR...

and here i am having trouble finding a Dominant that likes the fact that i am a pain pig, a Daddy's girl, service oriented, a kitty, and a number of other things, but down at the core of it, i like sex, i could have sex all day long...and all of those other things - when with the right person - make me want to have sex...

chelle

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 8:42:37 AM   
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You say "service top" like its a bad thing!     silly bunny - you get far more flies with honey than vinegar.  and most of us flys like the honey - especially if if there is a little vinegar in with it.
As MMCowboy said you aren't into specific "things", you are into power, and that gives you access to far more sub/slaves, because you aren' t compartmentalised.   lucky dom!

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 8:50:17 AM   
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So....you like a happy slave?  And the problem is where, exactly?

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 8:54:10 AM   
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Well it means you'll never be compatible with someone like me who embraced her slut self over a decade ago and never saw anything dirty about it.  So I'd be cautious equating that with "elevating their desires"

Most people enjoy reactions and making an impression on who they are with over time.  Ds is no different.  To me it is simply what love is- encouraging someone to be true to themselves.  There is no comparing how wonderful I feel when my partner will reach inside himself and feel that inner thread of steel when he needs to. 

But unlike what most of your post seems to say- I'm not into turning someone into a vision I have for them.  I am into creating a relationship in which we both become exactly who we want to be.

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 9:02:17 AM   
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Makes total sense.  I have had a lot of discussions that were close to this.  In order to train an animal, you have to know what it likes and dislikes.  No different for people. 

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 9:18:08 AM   
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If a Dom/me does not care about whether their partner is getting something out of it then they are just a sadist or into the power trip.


Not necessarily.  There are plenty of doms who quite frankly just want to live life like they want.  They want a nice, peaceful existence where they get what they want and do not have to justify their desires to their partner.  They aren't terribly concerned about whether their partner is getting satisfaction so long as they don't have to hear complaints.  They aren't the least bit interested in getting into their partners heads or sharing anything.

Are they sadistic or into the power trip? 

Nahhh.  They just want what they want and anything else just doesn't interest them much.



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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 10:10:54 PM   
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Being a total opportunist is masochistic. I try to look at the big picture nowadays.

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RE: Capturing the essence of a slave - 6/15/2008 11:41:19 PM   
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Well it means you'll never be compatible with someone like me who embraced her slut self over a decade ago and never saw anything dirty about it.  So I'd be cautious equating that with "elevating their desires"

Most people enjoy reactions and making an impression on who they are with over time.  Ds is no different.  To me it is simply what love is- encouraging someone to be true to themselves.  There is no comparing how wonderful I feel when my partner will reach inside himself and feel that inner thread of steel when he needs to. 

But unlike what most of your post seems to say- I'm not into turning someone into a vision I have for them.  I am into creating a relationship in which we both become exactly who we want to be.


This sums is up rather well.  "I am into creating a relationship in which we both become exactly who we want to be."
That's really short and simple.  

The one thing that I have become open minded about, is encountering somebody who wants to be torn down and rebuilt completely to my desires.  However, it's a paradox because I'm allowing them to be or become exactly who they want to be. I've simply expanded upon the places I'm willing to go without boxy thoughts of what is right or wrong

I think ""I am into creating a relationship in which we both become exactly who we want to be."
really sums it up completely in regards to what I'm looking to do.

I'm also a little open minded in regards to some of the directions I'm willing to go in.  As I am musically with different Genre's of music.  For instance I am a guitarist as much as I am a Dom.  Hope that makes sense to you.  :^)  Now, it's just a matter of Genre or flavor of BDSM. 

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