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Emotional blackmail - 11/1/2005 8:06:19 PM   
Myo


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Im extremely new and dont know all that much about a d's relationship with a sub, I'd like to know about when a Dom is trying to persuade you about a choice... of somekind weather "emotional blackmail" is considered a tool of trade?
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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/1/2005 8:11:34 PM   
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OK when you're in the beginning stages, dorks tend to use emotional blackmail to take advantage of your anxiety, insecurity, and lack of knowledge. They will tell you that you aren't sub enough, that real subs do X, that you don't really want it, they will take advantage of every issue you have to get their rocks off and keep you in their control.

That's likely what's going on now.

HOWEVER, in some established, functional relationships, emotional blackmail can and is used as a kink or mode of expression within the relationship. It can be pretty hot and intense and a great mind fuck.

This is likely NOT what's going on now.

No matter what, anything that makes you doubt who you are, anything that makes you scared to be who you are, scared to make the right choice...is not a good situation.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/1/2005 8:34:44 PM   
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It's not easy to answer you, because we may not agree on the definition of "emotional blackmail". To me, it means "give me what i want -- despite your limits/reservations/fears, etc. -- or i will cause you emotional pain". Such threats might be: revealing private information about you to your loved ones or to the world; withholding His love and attention until you give in; putting a loved one of yours -- especially a minor child -- into the mix.

All the behaviors i have described are deal-breakers for me. i would walk, and fast.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 7:42:49 AM   
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As soon you are thinking, that someone is blackmailing you.......................
then quiet.

BDSM is trusting each other.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 8:17:54 AM   
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I get what you are asking Myo, I get this sort of stuff from time to time, they think of themself as your Master when they want something but start to ask questions or want information and suddenly its 'Well I'm testing you to see if you are sub enough for me, a real slave wouldn't need to know that or a true slave should just accept.' Or some similar bs.

Myo remember one very important thing: this is your gift and the most important thing you can do is to give it wisely. It is possibly the last and most important choice you have to make. Just as he is evaluating your fitness to serve him, so should you be evaluating his worthiness and fitness to be your Master. You must ask the tough questions now because if you sign yourself away to something you don't understand you will deserve anything you get. More than that, your gift of yourself will be empty and less worthy if you give it away to any yahoo that revs your hormones and starts throwing their Domly weight around. Your gift will mean more if the Master you give it to knows that you chose him above all others to give yourself to and that you do so with full knowledge and understanding. Do not let yourself be robbed of your power- yes even as a sub you have power and especially worth. Stand your ground, the real Master's will respect your submission more if you give it conscientiously and wisely, it makes you no less of a submissive or a slave to wait to give that submission to the right person no matter what the players say- I know the need as a sub to please everyone but you have to ask yourself if it really matters, you will never be able to please everyone the trick is to find the one person (or for some subs, the right series of people) on whom to concentrate their efforts. Only the players are looking for a doormat that will fall and fawn at their feet just because they say to. Do not forget it is a two way street! When you give yourself to your Master you are accepting his vision for your service as your own, his desires as your own. Can you logically be expected to accept that without knowing what you are accepting? Perhaps some will say yes, but what do you think the chances are of that relationship being sucessful? No more so than any vanilla relationship in which the people are led by their hormones and don't address the important issues; and how does that sort of communication bode well for the open communication and trust that you need to develop in a relationship of this nature? Can you trust someone that will manipulate your emotions for their own instant gratification, especially when that instant gratification jeopardizes the greater relationship?

Be well honey and contact me off list if you would like to chat more. Sometimes just having someone to bounce these feelings off and listen can boost your confidance. Remeber your submission is a gift and a special one at that, do not cheapen it by letting someone get away with the emotional black mail gambit, hold strong and you (and me both) will someday find a Master that will be fit to accept our gifts and we will be proud to give them. It's like saving your virginity for your wedding ;)

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 11:03:11 AM   
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Your advice is generally sound, and universal to all types of relationships and all orientations.

I don't consider being a submissive or slave a gift, but that's been discussed to death on many other threads and will continue to be so I am sure.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 11:28:29 AM   
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Emerald Slave, not everyone may agree that submission is a gift, I don't expect anyone to agree with everything I say- it's just the way I think about it but there it is; as I see it, though, at the very least you have to be careful and thoughtful who you submit too or you could find yourself in a very dangerous situation. It is not something that should be taken lightly- beyond an isolated play session. I read the "docterine of the unowned submissive" from some sight- wish I could give it the credit it is due but I can't recall and it was very formative to me in the way I thought about boundaries between owned and unowned and the pitfalls that a submissive can find him/herself in very quickly if she doesn't think about what she is doing. To me starting with emotional blackmail- something I endured with my abusive father until I cut him out of my life is tantamount to emotional abuse and is a symptom of unhealthy communication and relationship dynamics- when used outside of things like play (just as with verbal humiliation, when it moves outside the dynamic of consensual and playful it can quickly become abuse). SO it is usually a signal for me to run to the hills.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 12:11:19 PM   
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Emotional blackmail I use only rarely and on people I dont care about when I want to manipulate them. Meaning I just want to get something from them and dont care a bit about hurting them.
I suppose its just being insensitive sadistic bitch.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 12:31:34 PM   
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I've never understood the entire "gift" thing. You are sub, Dom, whatever. I see it as a spectrum. Some are more (sub) than others. It's part of who you are.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 2:28:02 PM   
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being who you are vs. gift. I am submissive, that is not the gift, the gift idea for me comes in with who I choose to submit to, the gift being turning myself over as a possesion, property to one person instead of another, the gift is the trust and slavery. A slave is a commodity an instrument and it is that condition that is the gift not whether my nature is submissive or not, but I fear I am in danger of hijacking the thread in my vain attempt to qualify my views which is unnecessary and unproductive.


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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 2:29:13 PM   
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The Doctorine Of The Unowned Submissive - Raven Usher : )


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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/2/2005 11:02:37 PM   
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Thanks everyone, all your advice has helped sort out a confusing time.
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RE: Emotional blackmail - 11/3/2005 1:46:53 PM   
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i don't see my submission as a gift, unless You mean i am good at it, like being gifted in music or art. Then yes, it is a gift.

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 6/24/2007 6:48:22 PM   
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Thank you for letting me post in your forum.

I am the male instructor for most of our children's classes. We teach the students a bunch of verbal deescalation skills and do lots and lots of role playing.  We do quite a bit of this sort of thing for adults as well, although these require me to be more subtle in my attempts to pick a fight or mess with the mind of the student.

The lessons we teach include blackmail.  This runs the gamut from "If you let me help you change I will be your best friend" or "If you tell anybody blah I wont like you any more," which are emotional forms of blackmail.  All the way to offering to take the kid out for ice cream or whatever if they do / dont do what the adult making them uncomfortable wants the kid to do.  I have done hundreds of these verbal scenarios with students, but young and old.  The ultimate goal on my part is to do or say something I know will make the other person feel uncomfortable, ill at ease, or angry, and then use an oily sliminess to get the student to give me my way.  Of course, while I am doing my best to do what I do, the female instructor is coaching the student on what to say to get me to go away.  Additionally, they have been coached from class one to NOT internalize anything I say when I am in my mock assailant persona.

What seems to happen in a lot of human relationships seem to involve this sort of thing.  The "why didnt you call me" or "I will do blah if you give in" or whatever, in order for the one talking to get one's way.  For me, I figure it is some subtle attempt at emotional blackmail when I start to feel uncomfortable with what a person is telling me, whether this is crying or yelling or pleading or whatever.

Hope that helps

Sinergy

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RE: Emotional blackmail - 6/25/2007 2:45:28 AM   
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Every relationship has an emotional balance going on.  It's emotional blackmail when one person is deliberately manipulating the other into doing things that person doesn't want to do, purely for the benefit of the devious one. (Sorry, pronouns got away from me a bit there.)

Guiding and gently pushing someone the way they need and want to go is good.  Emotional blackmail is a sign of a toxic relationship.  If you're wondering about it, you're seeing it in action.  Time to move on.

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