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DomAviator -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 7:53:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The landlord still cannot remove the tenant or the tenant’s property
without a court order, except in the case of abandonment or when
exercising a landlord's lien. For example for non-payment of rent.
 
Nuff said on that - would I be evicting them if they are good tenants who pay their rent on time, dont create any nusiance, and are otherwise problem free joys who get their money into my bank account like clockwork?
 
 However, I hold to my earlier statement -  "I assure you that the saavy landlord always comes out on top." and "What a tenants rights are depends entirely on how good your lawyer is." My leases are chock full of waivers of rights, Dave sees to that. That is his job, to make sure I always have the upper hand against anyone I do business with...  




KatyLied -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 7:55:43 AM)

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It actually hurts your credit score everytime someone other than yourself looks at your credit report.


We need a professional here.  Aren't there "soft hits" and "hard hits" on a credit report?  I think the only thing that lowers your credit score is having a hit in order to be approved for credit.  I think that others (such as prospective employers) can look and it doesn't affect anything.




Alumbrado -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 8:07:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Careful, DA - admitting this (while all true and legal) could cause another outbreak of whining and recriminations by the more liberal elements on the forums...   [sm=anger.gif]


Is that code for 'I just made up the 'all true and legal' claim, so I have no proof'?




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 9:32:11 AM)

Oklahoma and Texas laws differ a bit in this regard, Alumbrado, but are also quite similar in many respects.
 
I know that to get my brother out of our dad's house - which I manage as dad's trustee and poa - I had to give him a 72 hour eviction notice stating cause (there were multiple) then when he ignored that, I had to file with the county court to go before a specific "special" district judge 10 days later.. which of course gave the evictee 13 days, legally, from the time he was told to get out.  If either of us had failed to show up in court, it would have been automatic judgement in the other's favor.  As it was, my brother was given 24 hours by the judge to vacate the premesis or be forcibly removed  by the sheriff's department - because I had all the paperwork, and what my brother had was (a) pissing off the judge the first time he opened his mouth and (b) a hand written 4 clause "lease" signed with someone who had already been found not legally compitant to handle their own business (ie dad) which basically stated that brother got unlimited use of the property until dad's death, rent free, and that I wasn't allowed on the property for any reason despite being the Trustee of the estate - signed on sunday night for monday morning's court date.   And all that was for someone who had never been under a lease in the first place.  The judge was less than amused - at his lack of preperation, at his lack of legal standing and thinking the court was going to find in his favor simply because that's the way he wanted it to go, at  his attempts to manipulate a seriously ill old man.    (Brother was angry at the judge for Only giving them 24 hours - judge told him "tough, you've had 13 days legally to find a new place to live, no one's fault but your own if you didn't bother to look during that time.  I suggest you get out of my courtroom and start looking - because anything left there tomorrow morning at 9am is your sister's to dispose of however she sees fit as the legal executor.")
 
I've never rented in Texas - hell, never lived there, just go down every now and then to visit the few remaining members of dad's family and a few friends.  So I've never specifically checked into Texas statute regarding property.  I have rented in OK, PA, MD, and GA, and owned twice in OK - and all of them are pretty much set up so that 2 things are pertinant when renting.  1. The landlord will win. 2. When in doubt about things, refer to #1.

edited to add : No, that wasn't code - it was sarcasm.




DomKen -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 9:53:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

Dont play "jailhouse lawyer" it is very unbecoming and disturbing to erroniously think that you know more than either myself, or the $300 an hour lawyer who drafts my documents which have been tested and upheld in court. Setting a venue and governing law for interpertation is standard. I live in Texas, but my cell phone contract is under California law and in it I even waive the right to sue - all disputes must go to arbitration under California law. The proper term is called "Choice of Venue/Forum Clause" or "Statuatory Construction Clause" aka "choice of law" It is a cute legal trick used by saavy businesspersons who actually know the law rather than guessing at it. As I accurately stated - any document executed with me will be in my favor, but no so obviously so as to be deemed unconscionable. Afterall, the key is to get them to sign it so that I can then bend them over and ram it up their ignorant asses as I empty their wallets. My lawyer is VERY good at that, hence the reason he gets $300 an hour.

Like I said that stuff works for contracts and that's fine but leases as you point out later in this post are governed by additional state and local ordinances. I've done a quick search on findlaw and found no real estate law anywhere in the US that allows for a change of venue in a rental dispute or for a lease to be considered under another jurisdictions laws.

I live in Chicago which has one of the most tenant favorable landlord/tenant ordinances anywhere. Chicago has a very high shyster to person ratio and yet no one, not even the $5000 an hour lawyers who run several of the top real estate management companies, is trying something you claim you've enforced in court. Primarily because you can't.

Remember all the bitching about rent control in NYC? If landlords could simply establish residency somewhere else and issue leases requiring that jurisdiction's laws be the ones enforced on the lease why didn't they? Some of the major management companies lost billions under rent control.

The section of NY real estate code you quoted says the lease becomes void upon commission of a crime means the lease is broken. You're still going to need a court order finding that to be true to take possesion of the property which means a regular eviction hearing.





Alumbrado -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 10:05:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The landlord still cannot remove the tenant or the tenant’s property
without a court order, except in the case of abandonment or when
exercising a landlord's lien. For example for non-payment of rent.
 
Nuff said on that - would I be evicting them if they are good tenants who pay their rent on time, dont create any nusiance, and are otherwise problem free joys who get their money into my bank account like clockwork?
 
 However, I hold to my earlier statement -  "I assure you that the saavy landlord always comes out on top." and "What a tenants rights are depends entirely on how good your lawyer is." My leases are chock full of waivers of rights, Dave sees to that. That is his job, to make sure I always have the upper hand against anyone I do business with...  



Nice cherry picking... do you really think anyone is going to fall for it after your track record of  'Texas law says you can be arrested for refusing to show ID'?  when the links show exactly the opposite?


The part you carefully edited out, is that all a landlord in Harris or any other county of Texas can do for total non-payment of rent is a lock out, not an eviction.. and that only since 1 January 2008.

Your claim about instant evictions for crayons on the wall, or routine repairs is simply BS.

(And if your $300 an hour lawyer is so desperate for work that they have to do rental contracts that explicity violate what the Texas Attorney General says, it might be time for you to shop around.)[:D]




DomAviator -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 10:33:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado


Your claim about instant evictions for crayons on the wall, or routine repairs is simply BS.

(And if your $300 an hour lawyer is so desperate for work that they have to do rental contracts that explicity violate what the Texas Attorney General says, it might be time for you to shop around.)[:D]


I didnt say "instant evictions for crayons on the wall or routine repairs" I said I can demand an immediate increase in the security deposit, payable in cash or bond, within 24 hours to cover the cost of damages to my property.... Hence if I want a tenant out because they have done damage, I get a contractor to write me an estimate for $5000 and is he / she / they dont have $5000 cash or bond in my hands within 24 hours they have breached the lease and are on their way to court to be bounced out on their asses. Rest assured there is not a judge in Harris County who will, faced with a lease clearly agreeing to cover the cost of damages, and a contractors estimate showing the amount of damages allow that person to remain.

If the damages are a matter of safety, I can will and have contacted a building inspector or fire chief to IMMEDIATELY revoke the certificate of occupancy / cut electric power or water, etc. No CO no habitation, out and out now... I did this for example when I had a tenant fuck around with the wiring - presumably to steal the copper for cash. No longer meets code = no longer habitable, poof instant eviction.

As for what the Attorney General says - that is on a standard TREC lease form, not a custom one in which rights have been waived or subrogated. Argue it all you want Alum but know exactly how to get rid of undersirable tenants in a variety of innovative and creative ways from calling the cops to have them picked up on warrants (if they are in jail they arent paying rent), to having them deported, to having the place declared uninhabitable... Now when youre in the fire dept how hard do you think it is to get the Fire Chief to act on a violation? When you are driving around with a 100 Club sticker on the cars, how hard do you think it is to get a cop to go check for the "meth lab you think you might have seen" only to discover that a half a dozen of the people in the unit have warrants, or drugs, or any of a number of violations that will buy them some time out of your property hence rendering it "abandoned" and "arrears in rent." Face it, the law is bullshit and the "justice system" is a farce. It is all about who manipulates it best, whos meaner, sneakier, and better connected.   




LaTigresse -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 1:32:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joiduvie

As a hint it is illegal to run your credit without your express permission.



As a former employee of a credit card company I can say, No, it is not illegal.

Granted, the credit laws change constantly and the states each have their own twist, but generally speaking, anyone that does business with you can legally check your credit report. They only have to show "just cause" as to why.

Based on that reasoning, anyone you intend to write a check to can legally check your credit report.




Vendaval -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:09:35 PM)

Hello hopelessfool,
 
As Heretic has mentioned the laws regarding landlord and tenat rights differ from state to state and within different municipalities. The reference section of the local public library will have books on renter's responsibilities and rights.  You can also contact a legal aid organization if the need arises.




popeye1250 -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:29:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomAviator

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The landlord still cannot remove the tenant or the tenant’s property
without a court order, except in the case of abandonment or when
exercising a landlord's lien. For example for non-payment of rent.
 
Nuff said on that - would I be evicting them if they are good tenants who pay their rent on time, dont create any nusiance, and are otherwise problem free joys who get their money into my bank account like clockwork?
 
 However, I hold to my earlier statement -  "I assure you that the saavy landlord always comes out on top." and "What a tenants rights are depends entirely on how good your lawyer is." My leases are chock full of waivers of rights, Dave sees to that. That is his job, to make sure I always have the upper hand against anyone I do business with...  



D.A., you pay lawyers "$300 per hour?"
For filling out forms?
Boy, they must love you![:D]
Look in the Yellow Pages in the Houston area for lawyers, how many pages of them are there? Fifty? A hundred?
You need to "shop around" when you need a lawyer!
They're a dime a ton.
"Have your 20 lawyers talk to my 20 lawyers."




Irishknight -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:37:13 PM)

popeye, you buy lawyers by the ton?  I've been doing this all wrong.




popeye1250 -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:42:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

popeye, you buy lawyers by the ton?  I've been doing this all wrong.


Irish, don't take my word for it.
Count the number of pages in the Yellow Pages under "lawyers" "attorneys."
Then look up "Plumbers."
It's 53 to 6 here.
Like anything else you should get 3 estimates.




Irishknight -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:51:08 PM)

3 estimates = good idea.  lowest bidder = not always such a good idea.

The law firm I used in Iowa was not 300 and hour but they were phenominal.  I could have found someone cheaper but these guys damn sure earned their money.  I try to find out as much as I can about a lawyer before I hire them.  Then I kidnap their child and hold them for ransom until my case is won ...  I think I've said too much.




popeye1250 -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 2:58:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

3 estimates = good idea.  lowest bidder = not always such a good idea.

The law firm I used in Iowa was not 300 and hour but they were phenominal.  I could have found someone cheaper but these guys damn sure earned their money.  I try to find out as much as I can about a lawyer before I hire them.  Then I kidnap their child and hold them for ransom until my case is won ...  I think I've said too much.


LOL, Irish, it doesn't make any difference, they're all, "Brilliant Legal Scholors!"
Just ask them!




Irishknight -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 3:06:46 PM)

True, Popeye.  Very true.




daddysliloneds -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 3:17:34 PM)

i got one that tops that:  some friends of mine were renting a house that they came home to one day to find locked up tighter than fort knox, by the i.r.s.!




popeye1250 -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 4:15:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

i got one that tops that:  some friends of mine were renting a house that they came home to one day to find locked up tighter than fort knox, by the i.r.s.!


Many years ago in Lynn, Mass one of my friends rented an apartment in a building that was owned by the Hell's Angels.
He said when he rented the place they told him, don't wreck the place, don't piss off the other tenants and if you go longer than one week late on your rent we take all your shit out on the front yard pour gas on it and burn it.
That was his "lease."
He was never late.




Bethnai -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 4:45:46 PM)

I kind of worried about this for the last 6 months. I know the landlord wants to sell this building. I know keeping a good group of tenants is hard to do which makes the mortgage payment too much.  It is a lot of work and I know he hasn't much time. I don't either. Hell, we leave sticky notes on our doors, or typed letters in envelopes taped to the door. In 5 years, I have had 2 receipts. This just led me to use money orders which now is his preference for other tenants. I wanted to move this year very badly anyway. I just do not want to be bouncing around any more than I have.  I am actually going through stuff and throwing it out so that if I had to do it, it would go pretty easy. I started thinking about this after watching a family in Chicago that was told they had to leave in two weeks or pay $10,000.  

I thought that I might look into other places and I know that there are places that have these huge rents for rat-holes and then bitch cry when the people that move in can't afford it and they are out. There has been this trend to push out people, here, who do not make a certain amount of money.  Slum lords who rent out 2 to 3 bedroom shacks. They aren't insulated. So when winter hits some of those shacks go without heat because they can't afford the electricity.  Then the bills become overwhelming and some of them leave.  There was talk about some of the land being bought up and renovated. However, I am not seeing the run for it that they thought it would be. In fact, I am watching it cave into itself.

I thought, initially, that there would be a lowering of rent due to the all the foreclosures that are happening. I do not know what the hell I was thinking.  I came across some websites, while looking for property  that some places see that there are more people who are going to need to rent so why not up the price?  Some of the houses that people payed upward to $400,000 are trying to rent their places out for $1500-1800 a month. I am thinking, the whole $750-900 a month didn't seem to work out like a plan.  The other sure as hell won't. Now, I think I am just going to sit back and laugh while the piranah go at it. 




Alumbrado -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 4:53:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado


Your claim about instant evictions for crayons on the wall, or routine repairs is simply BS.

(And if your $300 an hour lawyer is so desperate for work that they have to do rental contracts that explicity violate what the Texas Attorney General says, it might be time for you to shop around.)[:D]


I didnt say "instant evictions for crayons on the wall or routine repairs" I said I can demand an immediate increase in the security deposit, payable in cash or bond, within 24 hours to cover the cost of damages to my property.... Hence if I want a tenant out because they have done damage, I get a contractor to write me an estimate for $5000 and is he / she / they dont have $5000 cash or bond in my hands within 24 hours they have breached the lease and are on their way to court to be bounced out on their asses. Rest assured there is not a judge in Harris County who will, faced with a lease clearly agreeing to cover the cost of damages, and a contractors estimate showing the amount of damages allow that person to remain.

If the damages are a matter of safety, I can will and have contacted a building inspector or fire chief to IMMEDIATELY revoke the certificate of occupancy / cut electric power or water, etc. No CO no habitation, out and out now... I did this for example when I had a tenant fuck around with the wiring - presumably to steal the copper for cash. No longer meets code = no longer habitable, poof instant eviction.

As for what the Attorney General says - that is on a standard TREC lease form, not a custom one in which rights have been waived or subrogated. Argue it all you want Alum but know exactly how to get rid of undersirable tenants in a variety of innovative and creative ways from calling the cops to have them picked up on warrants (if they are in jail they arent paying rent), to having them deported, to having the place declared uninhabitable... Now when youre in the fire dept how hard do you think it is to get the Fire Chief to act on a violation? When you are driving around with a 100 Club sticker on the cars, how hard do you think it is to get a cop to go check for the "meth lab you think you might have seen" only to discover that a half a dozen of the people in the unit have warrants, or drugs, or any of a number of violations that will buy them some time out of your property hence rendering it "abandoned" and "arrears in rent." Face it, the law is bullshit and the "justice system" is a farce. It is all about who manipulates it best, whos meaner, sneakier, and better connected.   


There is nothing to argue... you are simply making stuff up, just like you did with the thread where you linked to the Texas 'law' that said it was a criminal offense to not have an ID card on you at all times and show it to any cop who asked...except of course, anyone who clicked on the link found out it didn't say that at all, you were just BSing.

Same thing here, if you collect rent under a jurisdiction that has a tenant's rights law, eviction processes can't be blindly signed away by nonsense in an invalid contract.  Get your $300 lawyer to explain the old 'meeting of the minds' aspect of Contract Law 101...or were they such a hot shot that they didn't pay attention to that?


Yes there are ways to evict problem tenants, and yes their are ways around some defenses to being evicted. Sometimes it seems that the cards are stacked in favor of the landlord..  But things aren't as you have described them.
If you try to evict someone without following the law,such as instant eviction for nothing more than crayon on the walls (your exact words were "Kid colored on the wall? Youre out."), no deputy or licensed agent will perform the set-out if they want to keep their jobs. 
And if you do the set-out yourself, or try your 'calling in a meth lab' gimmick on people who haven't committed any crime, you are bragging about criminal behavior ranging from burglary to fraud, so who cares about your legal opinions?

And finally, heaven help you if you were to try any of these gimmicks in the real world, and the tenant or anyone living with them knew their rights... especially if they were were ADA qualified... (any of your tenants or their spouses or kids collect SSI?).  For you to even think about the stuff you've bragged about here would be an open and shut case for any ADA lawyer who got wind of it.

This seems to be a regular habit with you, memorize a few buzz words from a technical area, throw in some impressive sounding big money claims, and draw to the extremes to flesh out superstitious and scary sounding mumbo-jumbo about how no one has any rights.

You might fool a lot of the people a lot of the time with that stuff, but on a forum this broad, someone is going to know the facts in certain areas, so get used to being called on it.




Bethnai -> RE: Renters and foreclosures (6/18/2008 4:56:23 PM)

Ouch.




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