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MissSepphora1 -> Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:04:32 PM)

The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.




lronitulstahp -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:05:49 PM)

Bush says it ...so therefore it's true...interesting logic.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:07:16 PM)

it's funny...because the liberals have their reasons for refusing to do it. 'la la la' works both ways.




popeye1250 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:11:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

it's funny...because the liberals have their reasons for refusing to do it. 'la la la' works both ways.


What do the liberals plan on doing with all that oil that they want to "save?"
Doesn't that sound just a little,...anal-retentive?




lronitulstahp -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:11:55 PM)

well i'm a moderate...but i do know that much of oil pricing is currently based on prospection that falsely reflects a deficit in oil production and an increase in demand that simply isn't there. Big Oil executives aren't liberal or conservative...they're simply greedy. It's not politics, it's pocket-tics...




LotusSong -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:19:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.

   Yep.. his term is getting shorter by the day, I expected him to come up with a brainstorm to fund  his own retirement coffers before he leaves as well as those of his cronies being the oil man he his.  This whole oil thing is being manipulated from the inside to the max. The price raising is just too ridiculous.




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:26:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.



Actually this is absolutely false.  I own mineral rights in 2 states and the oil companies don't want to kick exploration into high gear yet.  I get letters every other week saying they are "thinking" about it.  There is no environmental restrictions on any of the land other than "clean your mess when you finish" which has been the policy since they started drilling.  Why would they want to drill now and lower their profit when they have more than enough to sell as is.  If they produce more and drive down the price they have effectivly thrown money away.  Now I absolutely HATE that policy but that's what a "quarterly profit is king" mentality gets you.

I'm a "liberal" whatever that means but I don't think I have ever said that there should be no drilling.  I don't think that private companies should profit from land owned by the US citizens but that's another topic.  There are plenty of viable oil fields in the US where it is cleared for drilling and nobody but the oil companies themselves are stopping it.




MissSepphora1 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:36:37 PM)

Actually there is a raise in demand due to the economy in India.
You know, they have all our jobs now.




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:41:43 PM)

I think even the outsourcing is due to people paying more attention to quarterly profits over long term strategies.  But that's really our fault since we invest in a company to make a quick buck and bail for the slightest reason if we don't profit every quarter.

Sorry for the hijack




MissSepphora1 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:44:33 PM)

Oh, and I think anyone who answers should list their mpg.
Mine is 28-30.




popeye1250 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:46:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.



Actually this is absolutely false.  I own mineral rights in 2 states and the oil companies don't want to kick exploration into high gear yet.  I get letters every other week saying they are "thinking" about it.  There is no environmental restrictions on any of the land other than "clean your mess when you finish" which has been the policy since they started drilling.  Why would they want to drill now and lower their profit when they have more than enough to sell as is.  If they produce more and drive down the price they have effectivly thrown money away.  Now I absolutely HATE that policy but that's what a "quarterly profit is king" mentality gets you.

I'm a "liberal" whatever that means but I don't think I have ever said that there should be no drilling.  I don't think that private companies should profit from land owned by the US citizens but that's another topic.  There are plenty of viable oil fields in the US where it is cleared for drilling and nobody but the oil companies themselves are stopping it.



Musical, correct and there are no "shortages" of gasoline like in the 70's.
You can buy all the gasoline you want,....at a price!
About 11 days ago I pulled into a gas station to buy my usual 5 gallons of gas and I was the only car at the pumps at 7pm!
This place has become a ghost town at night from noone driving to restaurants etc, it's killing business! Some restaurants are down 25-30% this summer from last!
And instead of our usual 400,000 bikers for "Bike Week" here they said on the News that there were only 300,000 this year!
I probably have 2-3 gallons left so I can go another 5-8 days or so before buying another 5 gallons.
It's become a "game" with me now, I try to see how many days I can delay buying gas and try to beat my last "record.!"
I have a readout on my dash that says "... miles to empty" so when it gets down to about "15" I know that I have just under a gallon left.
What we need is more refineries but the Dems don't want them either.
I say bulldoze that golf course and put a refinery in!

MissSepphora, I drive a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis with only 13,000 miles on it.
I get about 19 mpg around town and 25-27 on the highway.
But, many roads here (Myrtle Beach, S.C.) have speed limits of 45-50 mph and that's very good for gas milage and on some of them you can go for 5-6 miles before hitting a stop sign or red light unlike up in New England.
They said on the News that a big way to save gas is to "slow down."




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:48:15 PM)

Well if I'm taking a trip then 25 to 30 in my car but I only drive maybe 3 times a month.  The rest I walk or ride my bike.  The stores I shop, the places I hang out in at night, my office and my house are all within 1 mile of each other.  We chose this area for that reason.




DomKen -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:52:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

The restrictions on drilling is what is pushing gas prices through the roof.  Congress could change all that, yet the liberals refuse.
For all those who have the "lalala i can't hear you" attitude, perhaps you should pay a little closer attention to what is actually available here in the US, and the new technology that is being used.


Simple basic question:

Before we start drilling offshore shouldn't we reopen the oil fields in Texas and Oklahoma that were abandoned during the last oil bust because the oil wasn't economical to pump at $30 a barrel? I'm keeping a close eye on the status of those wells and I cannot find a single report that anybody is working those fields. If this price spike was really about a supply shortage wouldn't these already proven fields be the obvious first choice to start pumping? The wells have been drilled, all that needs to done is to uncap the well heads and start pumping. Strange that there are no reports of an oil boom in west Texas don't you think? Almost like the oil companies know this spike isn't going to last.




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:52:50 PM)

Popeye, I'm all for a new refinery if that would help but I don't want one federal dollar going into it's production and I'm not sure the oil companies want to lower their profits at the moment.  I have to add that my refinery comments are pure conjecture and I don't have a shred of proof about anything regarding refineries.




Irishknight -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:54:31 PM)

More refineries would definately help as long as we kept the product.  If we shipped it to Japan or China then we would still be paying too much for what we need.

As far as my MPG goes,  I have never checked mine.  The truck's is 17 to 20 depending on the load its towing.  The van's is somewhere in the low to mid 20s and the hearse gets 18 to 20 something.  My horse has to stop for water more frequently because its summer so his mpg is sucking right now.




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:56:28 PM)

Ken we have the same thing in Louisiana and Mississippi -- capped fields.  I'm sitting on one and if they would just start production again maybe I could afford to buy one or two gallons of gas as Popeye was saying.  Hell Popeye, I'll even buy you a whole tank of gas if they just started production on one of useless-at-the-moment leases.




DomKen -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 3:58:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom

Ken we have the same thing in Louisiana and Mississippi -- capped fields.  I'm sitting on one and if they would just start production again maybe I could afford to buy one or two gallons of gas as Popeye was saying.  Hell Popeye, I'll even buy you a whole tank of gas if they just started production on one of useless-at-the-moment leases.

Strange isn't it?




camille65 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 4:06:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

Oh, and I think anyone who answers should list their mpg.
Mine is 28-30.



Why?




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 4:14:49 PM)

If we started drilling tomorrow, we won't see any results for at least 5 years.  Even then, it won't be much.  The price hikes are due mostly to speculation.  It's not the evil oil companies, and it's not the clueless environmentalists trying to make us all ride bikes to work. 

Speculators are like bookies, and they don't set the spread to lose.  We are in the middle of a war spanning an entire region where most of the world's petroleum is.  We are in the middle of a presidential election.  We've boosted ethanol production.  We have massive flooding in the Midwest.  Most of all, we are competing with two gigantic nations in the middle of a rapid industrialization.  All of that causes speculators to worry and jack up oil prices. 

I don't care what party controls Congress or who wins the Presidency.  $4/gallon gasoline is here to stay, neighbors. 




MissSepphora1 -> RE: Bush made it quite plain today (6/18/2008 4:23:19 PM)

I believe if we start drilling now, the speculators will run out of excuses, and the price will balance again.




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