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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/5/2005 11:57:17 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: WickedKev

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ORIGINAL: trueshadow

Thanks for the great responses!

First of all, nah, I'm not going to court over this! Although wearing nipple clamps and a cock and ball ring under my leathers in court does sound kind of appealing and definitely kinky.

The big deal is that this woman for some reason is quite influential in the local scene, and pops up EVERYWHERE. I wouldn't be surprised if she was also here. I know she's on a lot of yahoo groups and other fetish sites. She's got a lot of fingers in a lot of pies.

The weird thing is she knows NOTHING about me. I've never seen her play, played with her, and she's never seen me play. For that matter, I don't play much in public anyway. I'm a shy-type guy.

I've been around the scene long enough to know that pretty much everyone who is sort of 'out front' has attracted some pot shots. I've stood my, shaking my head in sympathy when I hear these stories. And I have to admit I'm usually hearing one side of the story, so it's hard to know what REALLY went on.

However, having experienced this blindsided attack first hand, I can now understand that totally unjustified accusations can stick by repeating the lie over and over again.

Bottom line, I agree the best thing to do is just ignore it and live my life as completely as I can. I do have other Domme, Dom and sub friends whom I like and I think like me.

(One concern is, 'what are they saying about me'? I did post on a local group's website, and this woman, who was also a member, popped up and said I had attacked her credibility, etc. etc.. That never happened. Shortly thereafter, I was banned from that site because the group owner was friends with this woman.

Currently, I am not on any local group sites, and I'm not invited to any FemDom parties, etc.)

What is it about this scene that causes this to happen over and over and over again???


All I can do is tell you people like this tend to end up tripping over thier own feet and getting found out. Why because if you don't rise to her bait she will get bored and move on to someone else. People will notice this and start questioning what it is she is doing. Once she is found out you will come out of it well if you have kept to your self and not ranted and raved about it. As for why this happens, it is not just this lifestyle, it happens in all walks of life, certain people who are unsure of themselves often find that the best way they can look good and to hide thier own faults is to attack others, it is her weakness not yours. I would suggest you do not disappear from your local scene though, that will really annoy her and get her found out that much quicker.


That's pretty sage advice Kev mate. If I'm presenr and some one wants to rubbish me I find grinning at them and showing lots of teeth tends to phaze them too. It just gets hard when the rubbishing is done behind your back or the person starts attacking your family too. Sometimes a tactical retreat into the shadows works well and mix with a selected few but pop up at a club or an occasional munch at odd times as though nothing is wrong.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 12:35:40 AM   
MissDiandSirHugh


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Thaks Iron Bear for destroying what we had always thought was just the bride-to-be tared and feathered & chained to the one set of traffic lights here in Goondi after her hens night at the pub every so often which had given us a good laugh and making us wounder how they would scrub up for the big day has turned out no to be,(our lives are shattered)LOL.
On a serious note and in referance to the post and what has been writen here by others we live in a town that is full of those sort of people not in this lifestyle or any that we know of but just a town that has nothing better to do than pick others to peices includeing us in our 27 years here but like everything once they found that we ar'nt going to piss off it was time for them to move to some one else and try to damage their reputations and lives.
So we can only suggest as already been said by you hanging in there and ignoring what is said when mixing with others that makes one very upset and destroyed Dom who will indeed try on someone else as the stasfaction that she gets is from doing damage to everyone she comes incontact with or trying to so best never to givee her that stasfaction.
Just hang in there and let others see you have strength in your convictions and beliefs not in what she things or says you are or are not.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 7:38:31 AM   
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Sheesh lass, half of our architecture here was designed by the Scotts who also explored half the country. Sean Connery has a great accent (if my memmoer he is fro Grasgow as is Billy Connely. Robert Burns ~ Clasic Poet. The gaelic is very strong in the Highlands and the Scottish side are Highlanders. I do wear a kilt at time when the occasion warrents it.. No lass the Scotts have been involves in the exploration and settling of may countries and in major engineering activities. Their teaching hospital is considered on of the best in the world as is the fierce pride and record of the Scottish regiments. Gees we damn nere fought the britts to a stand still on many occasions.

IronBear


Thank You for salvaging something of my pride in my heritage, Sir. <still jealous of the Sicilians, LOL>

i'm right there with ya in the revenge department. A brief story:

A married man lied to my girlfriend and got her into bed before she discovered he had a wife. He was also a "grass freak"; his front lawn looked like a putting green.

She took grass killer and wrote "CHEATER" on his lawn...and i wouldv'e loved to have been a fly on wall as that chemical worked and wifey asked "wtf?" LOL.

Hurt someone i love -- especially the kid -- and ya better sleep with one eye open. Funny thing is the kid has some moxie too and rarely needs mommy to fight her battles.

candystripper

Brief disclaimer: don't bother writing to me and telling me vandalism is petty and revenge is a negative emotion...i do not agree. However, it would take a great deal of harm to move me to violence; it has never happened to date, and i do not "advocate" revenge for anyone. Either ya "get it" or ya don't; i think sometimes based on yr life experiences, which have been different from mine. So no one is to be persuaded to act as my girlfriend did, nor to take revenge in any way -- at least not here.


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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 9:59:47 AM   
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(One concern is, 'what are they saying about me'? I did post on a local group's website, and this woman, who was also a member, popped up and said I had attacked her credibility, etc. etc.. That never happened. Shortly thereafter, I was banned from that site because the group owner was friends with this woman.


Of coarse hindsight being 20/20 I would have asked for proof of this accusation and what was said that was so offensive that you might be "educated". Not that it's ever helped me from those labeling me as evil & controversial

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 10:33:54 AM   
kinkiminx


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How can anyone claim someone isn't a sub.. ? subs don't necessarily have to constantly submit to be submissive, neither do you have to submit to everyone... if she honestly believes a small interuption is a good way to judge someone's orientation... she's fallen victim to the confusion between a sub and a doormat.
The scene seems to be full of it, "you're not a sub/slave/Dom/switch..." who cares! Are there really so many gullible idiots out there?
Seems people quickly lose track of why they ever got into the scene in the first place.
Never mind, i'd just leave them to get on with it and find some people who aren't so quick to judge based on what one person who barely knows you has said.

...though it would be a lot better if people started using the things between their ears!

kinkiminx

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 12:07:12 PM   
theRose4U


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quote:

You may not like plaid but I reckon a rugged man in a tartan kilt can be very sexy


Where do you think Dom's go tthe idea to go out in public without undies??

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/6/2005 12:25:47 PM   
Oumae


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quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U

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You may not like plaid but I reckon a rugged man in a tartan kilt can be very sexy


Where do you think Dom's go tthe idea to go out in public without undies??


Lol...good point.

Oumae

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/7/2005 9:42:57 AM   
WickedKev


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quote:

That's pretty sage advice Kev mate. If I'm presenr and some one wants to rubbish me I find grinning at them and showing lots of teeth tends to phaze them too. It just gets hard when the rubbishing is done behind your back or the person starts attacking your family too. Sometimes a tactical retreat into the shadows works well and mix with a selected few but pop up at a club or an occasional munch at odd times as though nothing is wrong.


Don't disaree with you mate. People can be nasty, but I have never cared what anyone thinks or says about me. Years ago had a run in with a Domme who thought she was the Queen of BDSM who was telling anyone that listened I wasn't a 'real Dom'. I found it funny and her pathetic so every time she made the statement I would just have a good laugh. I would never give her an argument nor make any statement for or against her. This drove her crazy, as she found she couldn't get to me. I knew my friends knew the truth about me and as for the others they could believe what they wanted. In the end she found she couldn't drive me away, in fact she is the one that disappeared from the scene, so again I say patience is the key.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/7/2005 9:53:06 AM   
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shadow,

this is just a reaffirmance of many replies on this situation, you have 20 years of reputation and that should speack for itself.

Those in the community will recognise her "stunt" for what it was, although may not voice it.

just keep going in life and let it die!

CP

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RE: Trashed reputation - 11/7/2005 2:24:45 PM   
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It has happened to all of us who have strong personalities and have been in the lifestyle for a few years/decades.

Some will believe the stories; others will consider the source and ignore it.

I have had my fair share because I DO mix sex and bdsm. It is usually from passive-agressive females/males that you get this sort of thing. At least this woman had the guts to say it to your face.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/4/2005 10:16:17 AM   
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you know what..you are soooooooo right. i am tired of individuals doing and saying things that are untrue to muddy one's rep and what's worse "most of the replys on this have been ...ah well,just let it go...do nothing,,just take it. BULL CRAP, revenge is in order...humiliating the intimidater is in order...punishing the lying backstabbing backbiter is in order.....exposing someone who is trying to sabatoge your social life is in order! why..should you just keep quiet and let people wonder ohh there she is..yea i haerd about "that" one,better stay away from her......are you kidding me? my vote is for the lawsuit,you may not get nothing but making her go through that will make her stop doing that crap. the people on here that are saying ahhh just forget about it,blow it off,do absolutelynothing are people who have never been blackballed,blackmailed,socially crippled,blacklisted,ect. it is difficult enough just to find the right person out here for you without having to fight through an imaginary wall in the mind of someone you may have your eye on wanting to introduce yourself to and "before" you even say hello they already have a "i don't wanna be bothered attitude" when you walk up before you've even said one #$%"! f#$"cking word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sue the B#$@@tch!!

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/4/2005 11:15:49 AM   
truesub4u


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ORIGINAL: NYDiscipline

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

Well, though no one will endorse this course of action, including me, i will tell you that if you can prove (1) what she said was a lie -- a statement of fact which you can prove is untrue, not an opinion alone -- and you are willing to also try and prove (2) as a direct result of the lie(s), you have been blacklisted from a place you enjoyed for "leisure"; you have a potential lawsuit. Slander, if spoken; libel, if written.

i cannot imagine damages awarded would be anything more than a modest amount, so filing against her in small claims court is probably your best option. Bear in mind, most people do not pay judgments voluntarially; you will have to report the judgment to credit bureaus; send a collection letter; etc. And this may still not be sufficient if she owns no asset you can execute judgment upon. Automobiles are generally available assets, but DMV is a royal pain.

In small claims, you can represent yourself; and it is possible (always assuming you win) that a judgment in your favor might establish in the minds of other people that you were the victim of a campaign of lies, etc.



Didn't I see this on an episode of Boston Legal?....

If not, the writers should forward candystripper royalties when it airs. While it seems legally correct, I'd pay to see the look on the judge's face. Just remember- if you do decide to go to court- make sure you wear all the fetish garb you have- just for effect...



And please let us know when, and where. So that we may be there to see and hear all this too.



As for the OP....

20 years and one steps on you. I would like to think that, more that do know you, would know this to be lies and take into account that you have been the same for so long. That apperantly all though displeased with something you said or did... is just out to punish you. And being how she's NOT your Mistress, she can't punish you personally, so she'll do it publically. Trying to smear your name and reputation.

Continue to hold your head up, and proud. Be who you have always been. And others will see through the smoke.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/4/2005 11:26:36 AM   
truesub4u


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ORIGINAL: mistresspayday

you know what..you are soooooooo right. i am tired of individuals doing and saying things that are untrue to muddy one's rep and what's worse "most of the replys on this have been ...ah well,just let it go...do nothing,,just take it. BULL CRAP, revenge is in order...humiliating the intimidater is in order...punishing the lying backstabbing backbiter is in order.....exposing someone who is trying to sabatoge your social life is in order! why..should you just keep quiet and let people wonder ohh there she is..yea i haerd about "that" one,better stay away from her......are you kidding me? my vote is for the lawsuit,you may not get nothing but making her go through that will make her stop doing that crap. the people on here that are saying ahhh just forget about it,blow it off,do absolutelynothing are people who have never been blackballed,blackmailed,socially crippled,blacklisted,ect. it is difficult enough just to find the right person out here for you without having to fight through an imaginary wall in the mind of someone you may have your eye on wanting to introduce yourself to and "before" you even say hello they already have a "i don't wanna be bothered attitude" when you walk up before you've even said one #$%"! f#$"cking word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sue the B#$@@tch!!



Revenge is a dish best served cold.


Mistresspayday,

I agree with your post, though i would never of spoken the words on here myself. I had to sit and cuss out the PC before making a post at all first. Then i ran across yours.
As a sub, i have ran across simular accounts... with others and myself.
A fight i agree is in order, but to know where, and when. Leaves it harder to do, than not.
To let it just go? No. .............. but the time will come, if not by trueshadow, then another. Justice in this type of situation will prevail... it's only a matter of time.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/4/2005 1:49:16 PM   
MizSuz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


If it helps, just about every significant figure in the scene has had at least one bad-mouthing attack



Mr. Warren:

Occasionally they are even of epic proportion.


To the OP:

Consider the source, state your piece matter of factly when asked, steer away from those quick to believe someone else without benefit of any experience.

I've recently seen how karma can work in this particular respect. Someone who went to great lengths to trash me a few years ago has, after I finally extricated myself from the situation with great effort and much cheek turning, managed to maintain similar dramas with other people since that time with me.

I hate to see others go through it, wouldn't dream of rescuing them from their hardships since they needed to learn for themself (like I mentioned above), and get a good belly laugh every time I hear about the next installment of "maitresse-spin."

Everything comes back around. Hold on to your integrity and let the chips fall where they may. You may find it shakes some good things out of the tree.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/4/2005 3:05:24 PM   
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well let me be blunt.....SCREW HER. you know who you are and in my opinion, no self respecting Domme would resort to that type of behavior. to plan any retribution would only backfire. sometimes when i want to get even, i just kill them with kindness...smiling then she will look the fool

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/5/2005 6:19:13 AM   
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as My teen would say----pffffttt---this Domme has issues and anyone who listens to her without making their own decisions, isn't worth the time of day either---

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/5/2005 10:04:09 AM   
MistressDREAD


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I agree with Jerry

It looks to Me like the oh so typical case of the
Alpha Dominant meeting up with the alpha sub.

So What?

And all these folks on here saying * WHO CARES *
Im sure has forgot the needs of most submissive
personalities to feel wanted at all times so the thought
founded or unfounded that there could be somebody
out there even listening to the Dominant sod off on
the sub can truly be very emotionaly a loss at the
simplist of levals. Its obvious here that this has affected
the subs mentality of value somewhat. But its ok
Im sure by now you have woke up and looked in the
mirror and went **whewww** Im still a sub!

Being on the recieved end of many a tempted Trashed Reputation
for an abundance of reasons, HA! I can tell you that in the
end there is only one thing that really matters, your true self.
Honor, Integrity, Pride, Endurance, Truth, keeps good reputations
alive. Therefor One lil Ol Domme cannot commit it to death.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/5/2005 10:53:19 AM   
KnightofMists


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quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedKev

quote:

That's pretty sage advice Kev mate. If I'm presenr and some one wants to rubbish me I find grinning at them and showing lots of teeth tends to phaze them too. It just gets hard when the rubbishing is done behind your back or the person starts attacking your family too. Sometimes a tactical retreat into the shadows works well and mix with a selected few but pop up at a club or an occasional munch at odd times as though nothing is wrong.


Don't disaree with you mate. People can be nasty, but I have never cared what anyone thinks or says about me. Years ago had a run in with a Domme who thought she was the Queen of BDSM who was telling anyone that listened I wasn't a 'real Dom'. I found it funny and her pathetic so every time she made the statement I would just have a good laugh. I would never give her an argument nor make any statement for or against her. This drove her crazy, as she found she couldn't get to me. I knew my friends knew the truth about me and as for the others they could believe what they wanted. In the end she found she couldn't drive me away, in fact she is the one that disappeared from the scene, so again I say patience is the key.



I very much agree with Kev on this.... Patience is the Key!

I would add that anyone that says their reputation is not important to them is not exactly accurate. Our reputations are important to us... BUT and that is big BUT... we can choose THE WHO that affects us and that has significance to our reputation. The only people that hold significance to my reputation is my girls and to a lesser extent my close friends.. the further I go from my centre (ME being the centre) the less and less others opinions matter upon my reputation.

So... when someome wants to tarnish your rep... judge their significance to you!.... One of no signficance shouldn't affect your choices or raise concern for you .....

People are silly sometimes... they attempt to gain power/influence thru intimidating and stepping on others. I recall a time when an Passive Aggressive FemDom came right up behind me as I am sitting. When I turn to look up and behind me to see who was standing within a inch of me... she smugly asked "Am I bothering you" ... I simply smiled and stated "No, you are of no consequence" and then turn and carried on my conversation. Apparently she stomped off immediately after I said that. Fact is people will use different methods to obtain a feeling of power and influence which they inherently don't have of their own accord. Overtly and Passive Aggressive Attacks can come in many forms... but they root in the persons own lack of power and their jealousy of those that have it. Don't give these people your power by allowing yourself to respond to their manipulative and coercive behaviors in a manner that gives them creditiblity.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/5/2005 11:44:44 AM   
AbstractSavant


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I suppose a good thing that would come of this...is that anyone stupid enough to listen to and believe in her gossip and tripe are not worth your time, and are now automatically weeded out of social interactions with you.

That's what I always think is best in these situations.

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RE: Trashed reputation - 12/5/2005 3:22:25 PM   
LadyKim


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I know a male Dom in the Atlanta area that had a similar type of experience happen with him. He had a hard session with a subbie girl one evening that left bruises on her. A day or two later, they had a strong disagreement that sent the subbie crying to a couple that she was friends in who where also active in the local community. She was wearing a halter top and shorts, and THEY THOUGHT he had abused her. She was sobbing, and wanted to get back at this Dom....... so she let them think that.

The couple went around the community for over 9 years bashing that Dom whenever they had a chance. He went to the owner of the club they all attended who told him to lie low for a while (because she wasn't totally sure of the circumstances), so he disappeared from the scene for a year. When he came back the rumors had spread like wildfire that he was unsafe to play with. He spoke with another leader of the club who asked him about it point blank. Enough time had passed that he was not emotional about it, and presented her with the facts of the evening. The advice he was given was to ignore the rumors, and if someone approached him about hearing he was unsafe..... tell them that there was a misunderstanding a long time ago and the rumor was started by third parties. If they truly wanted to find out if he was safe they could observe him and/or ask Mistress so and so, Master so and so, and sub so and so and get there opinion. These people were all highly respected, and had known him for over a dozen years.

Eventually, the people that started the rumor were found out to be trouble makers, and they are no longer active in the public community. However, the male Dom they smeared is very active and has a reputation for being sensational witht he impliments.

Ignoring can cause problems too. Speak with people that know you and respect you. Let them know what is going on, and ask if you can use them as a reference. When you meet someone new......... you could volunteer that someone began a rumor about you based on their opinion of what a sub should be, but if they want to find out for sure they can either play with you themselves, watch you with others, and/or contact your references.

Good luck..........

And take heart.......... there are as many ways to participate in this lifestyle as their are people in it. Not everyone attributes the exact same personality traits to what determines someone as submissive. You may not be sub in her book, but there are others that enjoy spirit, personality, and individuality in a submissive. It sounds like you would be better served to find someone like that.

MzKim

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