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FangsNfeet -> What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:00:49 PM)

After watching floods for a few years, I've come to a few conclusions.

1. Don't live near the ocean

2. Don't live near a lake or river

3. Don't live near a Damn

4. Don't live on land that's below sea level

5. If the area flooded once, it will flood again

6. If you can't get flood insurance on a house, that's a sign you shouldn't move in.

7. Don't live near nor trust levys.

What have floods taught you?




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:01:39 PM)

not to pee so much?




Alumbrado -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:01:44 PM)

'Hundred year' floods aren't.




Leatherist -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:01:45 PM)

That I don't like being wet.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:04:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
What have floods taught you?


That all things are transient. 




jlf1961 -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:26:59 PM)

Actually, you are only referring to weather related floods, if I may interject some of the worst case flood scenarios (yes, I really love bursting bubbles)

Volcanic Collapse related landslides into the ocean: 
Depending on the size of the land slide, the wave could travel as far as 100 miles inland.
Asteroid impact:
100 meters gives at orbital velocity striking the planet in the atlantic, gives you a wave that is going to wash over Ireland and the UK, the low countries, and make a real mess of Europe, not to mention that depending on the point of impact will depend on how long it takes to hit the US.
Figure every city on a river that flows into the atlantic wiped out, about 100,000,000 people killed, give or take 50,000,000
If said asteroid hits the pacific, triple the total dead, we wont have to worry about japanese imports, the australians or new zealanders winning the america's cup, and hawaii wont be a big tourist draw.
Also, the wave would devastate central america.
With each 100 meters in diameter, the wave gets 10 times higher.  Eventually making the safest place to live somewhere in the rockies.

Global warming Ice cap and deglaciation:
210 foot rise in sea level.

Super volcanic eruption of one of the island super volcanos... flood from tsunami will probably swamp the west coast, BUT, the good news is that within 2 years, sea level will have dropped due to the ice age.

And lets not forget the possibility of a comet impact, we could get hit with a dirt and ice ball, we could get hit with an ice ball.

The comet would really not hit the planet, it would explode about five miles up, and hopefully over water, huge mega tsunami but no fireball or super heated ejecta falling back to earth and cuasing the atmosphere to get super heated.

Now if it happens to be primarily ice, well that is a different matter.  It still explodes about 5 miles up, still makes a really big wave, but no crater and no ejecta, just a few billion tons of water blasted into the atmosphere, plus whatever the comet brings with it, which could be hundreds of billions of tons of water.

Now, anything larger than a kilometer wide, either meteor or comet is really nothing to worry about, since it would be a Near Extinction Level Event, and if larger than 3 kilomeres in diameter, it would be a Global Extinction Event.

For the record, the NASA NEO project has plotted less than one percent of the possible Near Earth Objects.... And if it sneaks in from the sun, well, we will get maybe a month before impact.

Now, for those of us with dominent personalities that means that the male to female survival ratio would be about 1 to 50.  If we are really smart, we find us a nice place to build an impact shelter, and we got it made.

Unless the thing is big enough to wipe out everything, which in that case, spend the last week having as much sex as possible.

Now the odds of a NEO impact is less than one percent, or about the same as getting attacked by a shark.... but then if you are the one bitten by the shark, the odds dont matter, do they.

As far as volcanic collapse, there are two in the atlantic and one REALLY big one in the pacific that could go.

All of the known super volconoes are over do for eruption looking that the geologic time scale. 

Nobody knows what causes the poles to shift.

Total climate change due to ice pack collapse has a 10 % chance....






leakylee -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:28:37 PM)

that those people oughta live where there is sand. it takes a whole lot more water to flood here. mind you i am in the middle of the state, and not at sea level. giant sand bars dont flood real easy, well at least not real badly.

lee




TheHeretic -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 8:59:56 PM)

      Jlf, you might want to consider dropping the Discovery and History chaneels from your cable line up.  You've finished them...


    The lesson is, no matter where you go, Mama Nature has a way to come fuck you up anytime she likes. 




petdave -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 9:05:08 PM)

Well, pretty much the same thing that jlf1961 taught us... if Mother Nature has it in for you, yer fucked. 

Only the bouyant shall survive.




Irishknight -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 9:06:32 PM)

The floods taught me that I'm glad I moved when I did.




jlf1961 -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 9:13:11 PM)

What are you taking about?

I am the guy that will look at the person next to him and say, "did you know that the engines are usually held on to an aircraft with 3 to 8 bolts?"

Or, knowing that wing fluctuations in flight are perfectly normal, ask the question, "are the wings really supposed to flex up and down like that?"

And my favorite thing is to complain that they would not let me have a parachute as carry on luggage.

Oh yeah, I usually have a few books dealing with airline disasters, and my laptop, giving the impression I am doing some sort of research.

As far as the science and discovery channels, I usually watch DIY, History, History International and Nat Geo.... however, I do have an extensive library covering the entire nature of natural disasters, and I have been an amatuer rock hound for years, in high school I built a crude seismograph for a science project.

Besides there is the old saying, "expect the worst, then every day it doesnt happen is a miracle."




chickpea -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 9:22:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

What are you taking about?


LOL

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Archer -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 10:33:32 PM)

Learned long before this set of floods that:

1. 100 year flood really means the flood that has a 1% chance of happening in any given year.
2. the 500 year flood is the flood that has a 0.5% chance of happening in any given year
3. Flood Insurance is available on any property it's really only a matter of can you afford the premiums.
4. unusual fact, the required elevation for building in a flood zone is not measured the same for hurricane V-zones (bottom of the floor joist)as it is for Aluvian A,B.C zones (Top of the floor decking)
5. People still have not learned to break the Build Bust Build cycle.
6. People still don't get that floating ice will not raise the water level when it melts.





Vendaval -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 10:52:49 PM)

Don't live in area with high brush and danger of wildfires...check [sm=anger.gif]
 
Don't live near a major highway with danger of friendly fire from road rage...check [sm=blasted.gif]
 
Don't live on an active earthquake fault, near an active volcanoe, in tornado alley, in areas prone to hurricanes, avalanches, excessive snow or rain fall or drought or flood or mudslides or airline crashes or military training targets or nuclear power plant fallout or raw sewage seepage or upwind from a dairy farm or any other source of methane gas or ....
 
             [sm=bury.gif]             [sm=help.gif]              [sm=microwave.gif]                [sm=alien.gif]
 
 
Where is it safe to live?   [8|]



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Leatherist -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 10:56:05 PM)

Langdon,North Dakota-but you will freeze to death in the winter-it's 20 degrees below zero for six months out of the year at night. [:)]




JulieorSarah -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 10:56:16 PM)

There's a difference between storms and tempest and floods.

Floods rise and storms and tempest descends.  In Wollongong years ago,  after days and days and days of rain, The surface ground earth was unable to soak up any more water and the ensuing run-off created floods, and in lower areas it just pooled and rose.  some of the affected houses were not covered because they had either storm and tempest cover or flood cover and of corse the bit that affected them was not what the insurance policy stated.

However the state government basically forced the insurance companies to pay at least something - never heard of the outcome, and i believe that both situations are under the one definition now.




Vendaval -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 11:04:58 PM)

20 below zero? Best way to keep warm is ....[sm=sex.gif]




Archer -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 11:05:14 PM)

General homeowners policies only cover against falling water, if it comes in through the roof or diagonally through the wall you're covered.
Flood Insurance only covers against rising water if it rises up and fills your home from the bottom up you're covered..

For the real information about flood insurance go here.

http://www.fema.gov/business/nfip/





christine1 -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 11:06:51 PM)

i'll get back to you when i'm done reading the manual of ark building....




jlf1961 -> RE: What have floods taught us? (6/19/2008 11:24:19 PM)

Well, considering we live on a dynamic planet, and all that implies, and since the only area that is far enough away from North American Volcanic zones to only substain a slight impact from dust and ash fallout,  is the eastern coast states, which are right along the largest fault system that has no record of earthquakes in human history, aka the easter contental divide.

Well that eliminated all of north America,   actually most of the planet for that matter, at least on solid land....

May I suggest a boat, at least 80+ feet at the waterline, double hulled, diesel powered, full electronic suite, including navagation, radar, and include doppler radar, that way you can actively check storms and wind speeds.

Always remember, bow into the waves in large swells, stay away from land during storms, tsunamis and anything that will have a dramatic influence on the tide.  Dont swim after a garbage dump, and dump only biodegradable items.....  And in the case of tsunami, the best place to be is in deep water.

One more thing about doppler radar, it will detect rogue waves, really HUGE ASS wind driven waves that have been known to do major damage to ships, and have sunk a few.




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