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Presenting? - 11/3/2005 6:47:15 PM

Tapestry

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Maybe you can help me, or if this is more appropriate in some other location let me know.
But, I am looking for help with Presenting. Is this strictly something that each Dominant likes a different way? Or are there any generalities which usually apply?
It's something I desire to do well, but find myself such a bundle of nerves that I don't stay focussed. It's possible that I let myself subspace too far too fast, I don't know. But no matter what I need to do to improve, I'd like to hear what other subs have to say which might help. And I do know that the bottom line is that my own master be pleased, but if I can be less worried about pleasing him, and somewhat less needy of his approval, and contribute more to his pleasure, I think it would be a good idea.

(I've been thinking alot about the things that LuckyAlbatross shared with me earlier today. I don't want to be a drain on my master, but rather to be able to offer a gift of submission that will please him and uplift him and fulfill him. So I think it's time to "grow-up" just a bit...and be the submissive woman he desires, and not a black hole of neediness! Thanks for your honest thoughts, delivered with compassion.)

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RE: Presenting? - 11/3/2005 6:57:18 PM

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Is this strictly something that each Dominant likes a different way?

Anything you can think of is something each dom likes a different way.

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Or are there any generalities which usually apply?

If there is a standard, it would be kneeling, naked, and waiting.

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It's something I desire to do well, but find myself such a bundle of nerves that I don't stay focussed. It's possible that I let myself subspace too far too fast, I don't know. But no matter what I need to do to improve, I'd like to hear what other subs have to say which might help.

I'd say ask the dom to tell you what to do. They are the ones who will want you do have things just so, so they have to communicate it to you.

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(I've been thinking alot about the things that LuckyAlbatross shared with me earlier today. I don't want to be a drain on my master, but rather to be able to offer a gift of submission that will please him and uplift him and fulfill him. So I think it's time to "grow-up" just a bit...and be the submissive woman he desires, and not a black hole of neediness! Thanks for your honest thoughts, delivered with compassion.)

tapestry

I don't consider submission a gift. I think it's great you want to be strong and capable- so be strong and be capable. There is no "right way" except to be yourself. If a dom wants something, it's his job to communicate it to you. If you're unsure, it's your job to ask directly.

None of my owners ever wanted me to "present myself" to them. They wanted me off and working and bringing them coffee or something useful.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/3/2005 7:27:15 PM

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ES/LA is right, it will vary just as much as anything else, though the kneeling/waiting position seems most common.

I've never been interested in that kind of formal stuff from my subs, but if a dom wants you to be in a particular position doing something he will let you know.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/3/2005 11:16:44 PM

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Well I just read something Jack Rinella wrote and it applies directly to your question.

Basicly his point, and I agree with it, is that If your attitude is right, then the possition can be fixed pretty easily. However if you possition is right and your attitude wrong then that takes some real work.

Worry more about where your head is at and if your owner wants your possition changed that will be easy, they will inform you and you will adjust.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/6/2005 2:09:21 PM

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Thank you all for your responses.
I will, of course, in all things seek to please my master, and him alone.
I'd also like to comment that the act of presenting was for me, (even poorly done) an effective way of setting aside the outside world and cares of life, and centering myself on him, a way to complete the transfer of power, and become rooted in him.
So it is something I hope to learn to do as well as have the opportunity to do, even though i don't know that i'm a very formal type...but that one act held so much positive energy and symbolism for me...

i would also, still enjoy hearing from other submissives about their experiences with this activity.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/6/2005 7:22:17 PM

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As everyone else said, everyone is unique and wants something different.
Groups however do form from time to time wanting a higher protocal for all members.

They usually don't last very long but for the time they are alive, it definately is interesting.

Here in So Cal we have a leather lady who teaches a class. It is interesting indeed.
If you ask around, you may be able to find one in your area. It will give you a bit more insight, plus people who are more into it.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/12/2005 7:49:47 AM

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Maybe you can help me, or if this is more appropriate in some other location let me know. But, I am looking for help with Presenting. Is this strictly something that each Dominant likes a different way?

tapestry

Presenting is something that is near and dear to my heart. There are about 10 Mistresses/Masters that i will present to as soon as i realize that they are "in range". You don't want to present to a Mistress/Master if they are across the room. However according to our protocol, if i am nearby and someone else presents then i will honor thier present and present as well. The other Mistress/Master may not even really realize that i have done it. i just watch thier signals and when the "presenter" is told to rise, i do as well.

Many in the lifestyle do not have any formal protocol (even when out in public), so you really have to be watchful as to when and how you present so that you don't embarrass another Mistress/Master.

Also there specifics to individual situations (imagine that...grin). For example when MsSuzan and i are at Butchmanns i usually present to Mistresses/Masters as they arrive at the House. And there is usually a "group present" at the beginning and ending of the sessions for that day. It keeps you from having to present 35 or 40 times a day. But somehow, we always seem to wind up presenting numerous times anyway. Once you get in the habit, if a Mistress/Master walks into the room for the first time, you just drop without thnking about it.

If you want to drop me an email, i can provide you with an excellent link that describes the different present positions. There are some variances depending on physical abilities.

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and The Atlanta Leather Community
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RE: Presenting? - 11/12/2005 8:37:03 AM

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I love the positions of Gor...altho we dont use them and have no plan to....at this moment in time. But you are right tapestry... there is a "power" in them that allowed me to get my mind in a "state" of surrender.

There is one positon we use that will never change for us for it is a part of who we are.
Would I call it presentation...no. But thats just us.

One day I will surprise Him and He will find me in some positon I hope He finds so thrilling.... then I'll try them all when He comes home from work...hehehehe...we'll see.

After all relationships evolve ... never forget that.

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RE: Presenting? - 11/12/2005 1:08:48 PM

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i agree the positions described in the Gorean books is werry nice, you should be able to find some information on them online or on the Gorean forum. Ofcourse it all depends on the Master in question`s preferances, he might just want you to smile pretty and say hi Dave or he might want and elegant and highlig ritualistic display, or mayby just a quik kneeling, comunication is the key here as always, find out what he wants.

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