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pinkieplum -> RE: Was I Wrong (6/23/2008 2:49:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fairerthanshe

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I think it's important to repeat one key thing:

The OP specifically said she "got hurt by trying to please him"  All we know from then is that it was a physical thing.

Now, why was she trying to please him?  Did he ask her to?  Did she presume to?  She knew he wasn't her dom, so why did she want to please him physically?  And we have NO knowledge that he actually hurt her- I burn myself cooking all the time.  Did she try to do something she wasn't ready for and hadn't even been asked for by the dom?

So let's keep this in mind before we go nailing doms to crosses.


Greetings LA,

Very good point!  Sometimes reading these forums and all the 'woe is me' equals 'bad dom' threads that arise, I am reminded of the movie "The Life of Brian".  There is a scene where the women are wearing beards so that they can participate in a stoning, vile and vicious in their manner and attitude. 

Certainly, this dom, who has not had his day in this public court deserves a little benefit of the doubt.  Or do we now take all newbies at their word that they were 'hurt' by him.  Hurt and harmed are two different things and perhaps the type of pain was simply a "I don't think I want to do that again" but since she doesn't know, as a newbie, that it is okay to say " I don't want to do that again" or "that's on my limits list for now" or anything else which shows her taking PERSONAL responsibility for her role in the scene, she has to retreat into the "You bad dom - i no like you anymore!" head space.

It all boils down to communication.  Her communication with him and her communication with this community through this thread.  She hasn't demonstrated, to me at least, that she has great abilities in either area.

This may be harsh to some, but I do hold people accountable for their role in the scenes in which they participate. 

well wishes ~ fairer than she



Hey fairerthanshe, N/no O/one forces you to read an Op or a thread which holds no interest for you.  i just do not get why P/pl post with no ascertainable purpose other than to convery Their sense of superiority toward the Op or S/some other member. If you're having self-esteem issues, work them out on your own time, in real life -- don't use the members of these boards as a cyber-fix.
   
Newbies -- and Oldies -- often come to the boards and ask questions that suggest their safety provisons may not have be adequate on some occassion.  Many ask whether it's okay to feel anything negative towards the Dom/me involved.  Some don't even seem to realise they are entitled -- and obligated -- to make adequate provsion for their own safety and well-being.
 
WTF difference does it make whether the Dom involved posts His POV?  Are you some sort of self-appoinmted judge as to who is entited to T/their feelings and who is not?   
 
Do you think your post helped the Op?  Or A/anyone who might be lurking here that read the thread because T/they had a similar question? 
 
i don't think it helped A/anyone but you.  Why don't you start an Op about how 'fabulous and superior' you are and just be done with it?
 
pinkieplum




TysGalilah -> RE: Was I Wrong (6/23/2008 3:55:53 AM)

{Hey fairerthanshe, N/no O/one forces you to read an Op or a thread which holds no interest for you.  i just do not get why P/pl post with no ascertainable purpose other than to convery Their sense of superiority toward the Op or S/some other member. }
 
   I don't see any of what you describe in Fairer's post.  I DO see it in your's though.
 
 Opinions were requested by the OP  she wanted peoples perspectives and advice.  It makes for a different kind of response in a thread. 
 




lassnmo -> RE: Was I Wrong (6/27/2008 4:56:45 AM)

asopendntied, perhahps i misunderstoon her situation.  i agree with what you said.

Repectfully, lass




subeos -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/24/2008 10:12:02 PM)

True, you have done that with me. When we were suppose to be communicating. Now, its over and i do hope you and him have all the fun in the world. 




Missokyst -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 5:24:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bokenangel or subinlife

Ok to answer some of the questions I am seeing, this is in real life not online, the injury is a badly strained muscle that runs from my lower back down my leg. He is mad because I told Him via e-mail that I was taking a break until I healed, without talking to him about it.


If you are injured your duty is to protect yourself.  Ideally he would also have you interest in mind and want to protect you.  Maybe he was insulted because he was denied the chance to tell you to rest and take some time off to heal, because you beat him to it?
Which is pissy but understandable.
Kyst




Surrenderwithin -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 5:54:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subinlife

To clearify some of this. I did what I felt was best as He has family issuses that require His attention. It was something He did. As for talking about it, I tried. Communication is a problem for us, mostly on my part. He says answer only to myselk and then gets mad when I do, I'm so confused. Thank you all for your help.

If his role was to teach you about the lifestyle, then isn't it kind of complicated to teach someone or learn from someone without clear communication. That is like taking a geometry class from someone whose primary language is Italian and only speaks broken English... Perhaps, you should find a class with a teacher who speaks your language more clearly.  One of the most important things to learn within this type of relationship, and within life, is how to communicate. Without that skill you will only be chasing your tail when you wish to comprehend new ideas....




Surrenderwithin -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 5:56:04 AM)

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DesFIP -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 9:56:45 AM)

I'm curious about what backing away means. I don't get the feeling it's emotionally or not talking to him. I do get the feeling she was being 'trained' which in this, as in so many cases, means casual beat & fuck for him, and emotional relationship for her.

And since he has 'family issues', I get the feeling he's married.

Why is he upset? Because his booty call said she isn't going to play until after she's out of pain.

What should she do next time? Use a lot more common sense before getting into a relationship with someone.

What else should she do? Take her computer to a good shop and have it cleaned out. Because if strange profiles come up when she attempts to sign in, they're probably his. And who knows what else he's done to the computer. Better check no keylogger program was put on.




maat -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 12:46:39 PM)

First of all, i hope that you are fealing better and healing well. Injuries will happend eaven when carefull but when your new its hard to know where to draw the line. Its also verry dificult to know what to do in situations and im shure you tried your best but it ended up getting wrong anyway.

About e mails. This is a verry difficult media to discus things in becuse you cant explain youself in the right way always. So asking for a break, or telling him your taking a break to heal isent the right place to do it in. Compleatly wrong. I have done it in the past to. Now i try to ask my Master for His time so i can talk about this. Its stil verry hard becuse when i try to explain that i dont feel right about something to mee it feels like im placing the responcebilety on him and we are two in this. My jobb is always to take care of his propperty, even if i is Him who hurts it. So i have to be open, honest and always lett him know what is going on with me. Hes not a mind reader. Becuse of my inexperience i caused my Master to hurt me badly beeing caind since i didnt stop it when i neeed to. He was at fault since he didnt teach me to stop this before i was hurt and took me someplace i wasent ready to be right then. bad comunication.  but mostly it was my foult. i whanted to please him more than i whanted to stay safe. I got my prioroties all wrong.

About steping back. beeing were i am now i wouldnt step back. BUT, i am ownd, for several years. now i would ask Master if we maybe can work on something different for now. There are things you can still do, now, i dont know if this is a play situation or more than that. if you whant to be traind there are a whole world of other things that dont involve the bedroom to do. i have had trainers who asked me to find things oneline for them, to find novels i was exited aboutl. to write, to create a submissive journal onlilne (great comunication tool if you are in a long distance Ds relationship).

BUT, since you say your not his and that he tells you that you only answer to youself then no, your no wrong in stepping back if this is what you honestly whant to do. but try to see the other side. he dont know what your thinking. Doms get hurt to. i know my Master whas hurt that i feelt all poor me when i was healing from the caine. He feelt bad that he hurt me even if it wasent compleatly his foult. Maybe he feels realy bad that he hurt you and that you didnt give him a chance to take care of that.

i think you need to think alot about what kind of relationship you have with this man. what kind of relationship that you whant with him. what you whant out of it and i think you both need to sit down and realy talk it over.

make a plan for how you shuld handel things like this in the future. what are the specifics of your relationship and what shuld you do, not do with him, with others. what do you expect of him and what does he expect from you.

ask for a meeting were you both can speek freely without worries.

Best wishes





CelticPrince -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 1:58:11 PM)

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Well you're wrong in that you think the best thing to do when there's a relationship issue is burrow down and run away.

You're wrong to get into any sort of commitment with a single person so quickly (or if not wrong, taking a very risky chance unnecessarily)

I'd be upset if someone I'd gotten to know got upset about something between us and just said "I've gotta go" That's not a relationship, that's a "poor me, leave you hanging with the bag until I feel good again" selfish manipulation.

The dom sub thing is pretty irrelevant here. No, he shouldn't get upset at you for doing something you haven't agreed to his having authority over. But then, why were you trying to please him when he's just teaching you about the lifestyle, not dominating you? It sounds like you both have a lot of clarification needed on what's going on.

So stop running and start holding up your end of a friendship- and hold him to the same standard.

_____________________________


right on the money LA!

CP




RealSub58 -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 5:37:23 PM)

RE: Was I Wrong NO!!

ORIGINAL: subinlife

Ok, all I want to know is, was I wrong not to talk to Him about backing away and telling Him I was backing away in an E-mail. After He told me I answered to no one but myself.
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Ok I didn't say it was His fault. In no way do I blame Him as most of you think. Yes I told Him about the injury shortly after it happened. I blame myself for all that happened, even the e-mail. It wasn't the best way to handle the problem. I know that now, this was something I needed to learn. Thank you for all you have said, good or bad. He was right I was wrong. Despite what he had said.


This man is to mentor you, real, not by email or cyber.
You are a “novice sub.”
He does not own you and you are not accountable to him.
Apparently communication is askew somehow.

First off, go back and find out what it was you agreed that he would mentor you on.
Men speak Greek to us women and women speak Italian to men.  So if he is not mentoring you on how communication might flow or should flow, then it is not your fault.  So stop blaming yourself.
Between my Sir and myself, there is a right and wrong way to communicate.  We did not sit down and make up rules,  they grew with us learning about each other and once owned there were some definite rules I was taught.

If you were told you are not his, and both of you know this, you did do the right thing in making up your own mind and following through with what was best for you.
Being answerable to yourself is just like you had never met him…responsibility and accountability lie with you.   He has no say.  So once again, don’t be blaming yourself.

I don’t know how you communicated with him about your injury.  Maybe he assumed he caused it?  Personally, if this would have been my scenario, I would have emailed and said ~~ “Sir, I injured myself and I need to take care of myself and thus am requesting that we hold off on the hands on mentoring for a while until I am physically able.”  If he goes ballistic on that, there is more to his “mentoring” than he is saying.

My Sir mentors.  He does this my email and when it comes to demonstrations…he uses me.   A mentor is a wise trusted guide or advisor who serves as a teacher.  I had a mentor who served as more of a counselor and we only ever emailed.  My Sir takes that a bit farther and does use me as his subject matter.

Subinlife, you are being to hard on yourself and taking all the blame here is not the best way to settle this or find resolution.  Even if he is a dom, remember he is only a man and humans make mistakes.
I am going out on a limb again and stating his expectations for and of you were not clearly defined, because it seems he expected something different than the original expectations of this mentor student relationship.  I think it falls upon the dom to clearly state expectations in a mentor relationship ~ it is his responsibility and not yours.  It is your responsibility to respond with questions and fully comprehend the expectations and if they are not what you expect, then you are responsible to speak for yourself.

Me personally?  And my Sir would concur…. Tell him you are no longer interested in his mentoring and you are no longer interested in speaking with him or being with him.  My Sir will always allow me to answer for myself, even as owned, as are many here.

Sir's property




goodgirl08 -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 5:58:29 PM)

Sounds like a bullshitologist. There are lots of these people out here who are not worth your time and with whom you should just cut your losses as quickly as possible. [:o]




Huntertn -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/25/2008 9:14:00 PM)

Just what was the phyical hurt if I can ask...




RubyRed08 -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/28/2008 7:16:27 AM)

Hello, I am a fellow newbie submissive (also to the world of posting, so if I don't do this right please forgive me). I absolutely love this comment by LA and I am quoting it verbatim to every single person who offers to mentor me in ways that include physical/sexual activities. It is a confusing thing to try to come to terms with who one is as a submissive and I am tired of making everything worse by dragging others in to my confusion by allowing them to mentor me before I know enough to be a good submissive.

Just wanted to thank LA for the concept, even if the words sounded a bit harsh....




RubyRed08 -> RE: Was I Wrong (7/28/2008 7:22:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

At this point perhaps the advice should be more "Yes, please run from everyone, you are in no position to bring anyone into your mass confusion and it would be very unfair to try"


oops, this was the quote I was referring to in my post, sorry.

Ruby




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