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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 5:08:03 PM   
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            As a candidate, is Barak Obama, Ronnie or Jimmy?  Feel free to elaborate.


They're going to go with JFK, Rich; AlGore has already started it off.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 5:08:57 PM   
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If he did he committed treason. A lot of effort has been but into finding out whether he or his campaign actually did negotiate with the Iranians, who've always said he did BTW, but no clear cut evidence has ever been found. The only thing still keeping the theory alive is his campaign chair's, William Casey, complete disappearance for several days during the summer of 1980.


I guess Carter committed treason when he talked to Hezbollah then.  The group is listed as a terrorist organization with the State Department, and has remained so through both Republican and Democratic administrations. 

No.

Iran had invaded the US and was at that time occupying US territory that makes them enemies by any definition. Which is a basic requirement of treason under the Constitution. Simply being an organization we dislike isn't going to cut it.


You are correct and Reagan then traded arms for other hostage(s) and cash after we had severed diplomatic relations. That would techincally be treason because what he sold them was classified/restricted. Any beaurocrat who was to send missile-plans on paper might be prosecuted.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 5:23:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		After Reagan was in office its hard to argue that he personally gave aid and comfort to our enemy. It could simply be argued that he was pursuing what he saw as his duty as President. Although it is surprising how well his administration worked with the Iranians.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 5:57:36 PM   
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Don't fib. It's been showing up all over the place the last couple of weeks. I was hoping you'd own up to where you first saw it so I could track down the actual originator.



          Really?  I haven't run across it, at least not in a way I recall.  I've been calling him 'Barry' for quite a while, and his wide-eyed, true believer followers seem to need a name.  It's an easy jump, and the words fall together very nicely.  Sorry I can't help you with the origins, but since a Google gives me the first use of "Nixon with a vagina," (4/4/07) I won't try to claim initial credit for stumbling onto this one.  Good luck on the quest to track it down. 

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 6:06:28 PM   
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           As a candidate, is Barak Obama, Ronnie or Jimmy?  Feel free to elaborate.


They're going to go with JFK, Rich; AlGore has already started it off.



         That might not be the best model, Level.

     Here's an article from The Weekly Standard with a whole 'nother monkey wrench to toss amongst the gears.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 6:08:35 PM   
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After Reagan was in office its hard to argue that he personally gave aid and comfort to our enemy. It could simply be argued that he was pursuing what he saw as his duty as President. Although it is surprising how well his administration worked with the Iranians.


You would be correct unless one was to consider Iran an enemy. One could also argue that not having been in a state of war (declared) with Iran...it wasn't treason.

If one could argue that the Reagan admin. worked well with the Iranians while making the argument that it did so because he gave them what they wanted. Their theocracy...missiles to defend against Iraq and there meddling in Lebanon and elswhere and of course...the benefits of OPEC and the oil speculators.

To the neocons all of that was short term, small potatoes abd very profitable knowing full well that when necessary, Iran will fall and with just enough war. Our kids or their kids will be able to watch the US take control of middle-eastern oil and become the new OPEC.

Won't enrich them at all and but will allow them to keep their MoPeds for commuting.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 6:24:20 PM   
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Won't enrich them at all and but will allow them to keep their MoPeds for commuting.



At least, they'll get plenty of fresh air. Ungrateful little bastards  .

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 6:52:10 PM   
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That was a truly fascinating article, Rich. Thank you for posting the link!

I think times have changed though, I think that the "Priest" might just stand a chance, and if he does win that will clear the way for a stunning Jacksonian battle charge, the likes of which we haven't seen since 1980.

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        That might not be the best model, Level.

    Here's an article from The Weekly Standard with a whole 'nother monkey wrench to toss amongst the gears.


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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 7:36:51 PM   
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After 8 years of Bush/McCain policy ...         



       I'm aware that is the official talking point, O59, but the exact same logic could make it Bush/Clinton, or even Bush/Kennedy policy.

     McCain was even out there with specific ideas for changing what we were doing in Iraq, long before the Bush Adminstration would even acknowledge there might be something that needed changing.  Did Hillary offer any new strategies? 


   The Barry Bunch is going to have to do a lot better than "McSame" to get over the hurdle on national security.


      


I know you can`t help defending the guy,being so even-handed and fair minded and all.


But McCain has voted with Bush 100%  of the time.


He want`s to stay in Iraq for forever(or a hundred years,what ever comes 1st) and wants to invade yet another ME country,Iran.


He has as little concern for details as Bush,maybe less and no concept of the cost in lives and broken families that Bush policy places on Americans.


His only criticism of Bush, is that he ran the war poorly.That`s it! Other than that,McCain is completely on board with this immoral and deadly bombastic foreign policy.


McCain is as set on starting WW III as Bush is and wants pretty much to "stay the course" in the ME.


I`d say that that makes McCain a carbon copy of Bush,maybe someone even worse.


Mr Obama will have little trouble debating John McCain on security issues,or any other topic.


Linking the failed Bush policies with McCain won`t be hard either.One only needs to look at and consider McCain's positions.Putting  2 and 2 together isn`t that hard.

He`s just as scary and is as rectless as Bush.Anyone can make the arguement that McCain will continue the impirialistic neo-con/Bush policy.


I know McCain would like Bush to stay away from public meetings and only do closed door fund raisers and stuff.He would like people to think he`s still the maverick and is not like Bush.


But policy wise,McCain is Bush.


I chuckled at the McSame name,btw.1st time I heard that.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/21/2008 10:59:46 PM   
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I know you can`t help defending the guy,being so even-handed and fair minded and all.




         Uh-huh.  And I know you go with these shotgun replies, in the desperate hope that something will stick, and distract from the legitimate issues your guy hasn't provided talking points on.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 3:11:46 AM   
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           As a candidate, is Barak Obama, Ronnie or Jimmy?  Feel free to elaborate.


They're going to go with JFK, Rich; AlGore has already started it off.


You probably ought to stay with Barry.  Assuming that no one really wants to draw attention to his middle name, BO just isn't the right message, don't you think?  Awww c'mon, somebody had to say it.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 6:08:11 AM   
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Oh shit, now you've done it. You've invoked Godwin's Law.

Way to go...


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These neocons are the forth reich and succeeding just like their predecessors did with Hitler...



From what I read...Godwin's Law could also describe the statement that Obama is a delusional socialist.

However, the record shows that not only did Rockefeller's Standard oil sell $20 million worth of oil and specialty lubricants to the Nazis but the Union Banking Corp. in the US the director of which being Prescott Bush (original signer of the bill to create the Federal Reserve Bank) laundered and held millions on deposit for the Nazis in this country.

There is direct documented evidence that that sale was made and without that oil the Luftwaffe never gets off the ground and the anti-semites and N-haters in the industrial and banking industries (Ford, Morgan, Dupont, Rockefeller) supplied money to the Nazi party to help it take power. They financed I G Farben a large war industrial machine in Germany. Averill Herriman and father were also American Nazis.

Prescott Bush (W's grandfather) was ousted and prosecuted but never served a day in jail and was later even elected to the US senate. Upon the liquidation (not until 1951) of Union Banking Corp., Prescott Bush actually received $1.5 million and supplied the early fortune of the modern Bush politcal dynasty. There was even evidence that these bankers (J P Morgan, Rockefeller...et al) conspired to assassinate Roosevelt, declare marshall law and install a facist govt. in the US back then. Then they would jail all the Jews, African/Americans and Japanese/Americans to populate forced labor camps.

None of this is inflammatory rhetoric, look it up...documented facts.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 6:15:40 AM   
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You're right. Carter and Obama "energy plans" call for the nation's fixed income elderly to freeze in winter, cook in summer, and walk through gangland to get their catfood suppers.

Meanwhile, pesky Republicans want to help provide the nation with energy - the bastards.


I am nothing short of amazed when I read posts like this.

I suggest that you and countless other Republicans stop stating that Democrats have no clue how to run things and Republicans do, and ignoring the last seven years of Republican rule that has resulted in a wreck of an economy and a shamble of a war, not to mention major erosion of individual rights.  If Bush's administration had an 80% approval rating, that argument would be forceful and compelling.  Instead it looks like you simply refuse to accept reality, that Bush's administration was NOT a raving success.  For example, you state that Republicans want to help provide the nation with energy - can you reconcile that with the fact that gas prices have more than doubled in the past seven years, after enduring dozens of other administrations with much more modest increases?

I believe that the best way for the GOP to recover is to take a serious look at Ron Paul.  He represents what to my opinion are the best aspects of the GOP - smaller government, less idiotic intervention around the world, more focus on proper governance and less on namecalling of Democrats and liberals.



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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 6:32:37 AM   
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         As a candidate, is Barak Obama, Ronnie or Jimmy?  Feel free to elaborate.


They're going to go with JFK, Rich; AlGore has already started it off.



       That might not be the best model, Level.

   Here's an article from The Weekly Standard with a whole 'nother monkey wrench to toss amongst the gears.


If Micheal Barone is correct...his democratic 'priests' are wrong and the main issues for all people are defense and security and that is exactly the public the new fascists want. Entertained, fighting amongst each other over the fear of hostile international forces and willing to give up constitutional rights for a sense of security. Now never mind we are not really in a war on terror..these neocons just want you to think so so they can accumilate these powers...which they have now in law.

Think for a minute kinkroids...what did this current admin. do ? IT came right out and TOLD the American people they would set up Military tribunals, that the US govt. IS going to spy on you and enter your homes at their discretion and will take you away to Gitmo if necessary...ALL without Habeus Corpus, a right to an attorney and private conversations. They TOLD us they were going to do this without a word of debate or laws suits until after the fact. Now look at what we have...immunity from prosecution for the businesses directly assisting in their new fascism.

Let us stay aware and understand what is happining right now...Google, Yahoo and Wall Street among others have jumped right in bed with the Chinese fascists. First, profits...then political control...then the beginning of the end of liberty.

Don't believe me ? Just ask Ron Paul. He voted against all of this and has he told us...we have lost most of the 1st, 4th and 6th amendment protections of our constitution. I'd say things are going just swimmingly for these neocons.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 7:57:25 AM   
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The Republican Congress under Clinton passed legislation to open up ANWR - but Clinton vetoed it.

Earlier in his presidncy, President G.W. Bush called again for drilling in ANWR and for allowing the states to control their own off shore oil deposits, but Democrats in Congress refused via fillibuster, and the Democrat majority is still refusing today. .

Democrats are still against nuclear power, coal, shale, even wind and hybrids and solar because they adamantly oppose mining the lead, cobalt, and other minerals needed for batteries for wind, solar, and hybrid power - and many other kinds of energy we might try to develop.

Finally, if you're so upset about the new democracy that's blossoming in Iraq, remember that the vast majority of congressional Democrats were highly in favor of liberating the Iraqi people up until the invasion itself, at which point many of them began working feverishly to undermine our every effort, even calling for our surrender there before the job was even half finished.

If this nation is careening out of control as you seem to think it is, you're sadly and seriously mistaken when you try to lay the whole stinking mess at the feet of Republicans.

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I am nothing short of amazed when I read posts like this.

I suggest that you and countless other Republicans stop stating that Democrats have no clue how to run things and Republicans do, and ignoring the last seven years of Republican rule that has resulted in a wreck of an economy and a shamble of a war, not to mention major erosion of individual rights.  If Bush's administration had an 80% approval rating, that argument would be forceful and compelling.  Instead it looks like you simply refuse to accept reality, that Bush's administration was NOT a raving success.  For example, you state that Republicans want to help provide the nation with energy - can you reconcile that with the fact that gas prices have more than doubled in the past seven years, after enduring dozens of other administrations with much more modest increases?

I believe that the best way for the GOP to recover is to take a serious look at Ron Paul.  He represents what to my opinion are the best aspects of the GOP - smaller government, less idiotic intervention around the world, more focus on proper governance and less on namecalling of Democrats and liberals.




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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 9:03:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		           Ron Paul, Ron Paul, will the yammering never end?  How many states did he win in the primaries?  How many did he even score a double digit return in?

        The only purpose I can see in even mentioning Dr. Paul is as an example of how not to get your message out.  Hint to anybody who wants to do volunteer work on any campaign; before you head off to spread the news at the swap meet, mall entrance or county fair, take a shower and brush your fucking tooth.  Message destroyed by messenger.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 9:10:00 AM   
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The morons...


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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 9:10:44 AM   
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Sorry, but you're completely wrong on every account.

The Republican Congress under Clinton passed legislation to open up ANWR - but Clinton vetoed it.

Earlier in his presidncy, President G.W. Bush called again for drilling in ANWR and for allowing the states to control their own off shore oil deposits, but Democrats in Congress refused via fillibuster, and the Democrat majority is still refusing today. .

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Finally, if you're so upset about the new democracy that's blossoming in Iraq, remember that the vast majority of congressional Democrats were highly in favor of liberating the Iraqi people up until the invasion itself, at which point many of them began working feverishly to undermine our every effort, even calling for our surrender there before the job was even half finished.

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If this nation is careening out of control as you seem to think it is, you're sadly and seriously mistaken when you try to lay the whole stinking mess at the feet of Republicans.



I wrote already...forget Anwar...it is a ruse simply to obtain more leases and for what reason now...nothing, they (oil companies) just want control ?

From the BLM records and only what IT will make public. (Bureau of Land Managment)

"An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.
 
Over 30 million acres and this land upon which there is EXISTING oil leases...has an estimated 70-80 BILLION bbls. of oil, currently NOT IN PRODUCTION !! WHAT are the oil companies waiting for ?

They depend on us having just this kind of debate that distracts us from their long term plans...i.e. enjoy massive record profits on FORIEGN oil and keep all of the continental oil for when the rest of the world runs out. Some even suggest...not a bad idea except that we are already at $4/gal and our kids or their kids will be paying $10/gal. to fill up their MoPeds.

The democrats being deeply ensconced in the political class (too cozy for due diligance) had few qualms about voting for the use of force to rid Iraq of Saddam. BUT they had no idea we were going in as the new fascists with the CPA (coalition provisional authority) about the most incompetant set of political boobs ever assembled. The dems had NO IDEA this CPA would fire 50,000 beaurocrats (deBaathification) and 30,000 teachers AND the Iraqi police force...creating a country bordering on anarchy. (the admin. also made sure to blow up their electrical grid, their sewer/sanitary facilities and some oil production) for disorder and to get oil prices up. This created a vacuum of civil (local) govt. and power that was filled by the Taliban who started to pass out threats to Iraqi professionals and teachers.

The CPA not only rounded up 1000's of young unemployed Iraqis as suspects but then tortured and humiliated them while in Abu Garib. These young Iraqis were understanding being suspects going into jail...hated our guts when they came out. This was the purpose in order to inspire violent unrest...further justifying our continued military presence. The Iraqi war is NEVER supposed to end or not before we finally get someone of our liking to take over and allow us a large permenent military presence with as many as dozens of bases all over the country and exclusive western (Halliburton) management of the oil production and exports.

There is no democracy formed or forming in Iraq. What we have set up is a bastardization of a republican form of tribalism and specifically for the purposes of maintaining unrest and hostilities meant to justify our continued military presence.


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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 9:17:07 AM   
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Funny you should mention that. We had what I call 'Hoodlums For Ron Paul' causing all kinds of mayhem in downtown Boise! They were putting stickers on private and public property everywhere, they were writing their graffiti messages on sidewalks and on buildings - just generally going out of their way to piss everybody off.

The morons...



Very likely they were republicans (neocons) the same people who registered as dems to vote for Hillary in the primaries.

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RE: Two very different readings of Obama's palm - 6/22/2008 9:27:39 AM   
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          Ron Paul, Ron Paul, will the yammering never end?  How many states did he win in the primaries?  How many did he even score a double digit return in?

       The only purpose I can see in even mentioning Dr. Paul is as an example of how not to get your message out.  Hint to anybody who wants to do volunteer work on any campaign; before you head off to spread the news at the swap meet, mall entrance or county fair, take a shower and brush your fucking tooth.  Message destroyed by messenger.


Ron Paul wasn't supposed to win...anything. He was NOT to be covered by the major networks and cable and was arbritarily kept out of debates. He was to be painted as and successfully so...a libertarian-leaning nut. Ron Paul is much more the original conservative patroit and would have been worse than Hillary for the neocons.

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