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ResidentSadist -> -=Blind Submission=- (6/22/2008 8:54:05 PM)
-=Blind Submission=- (sub frenzy, rapture… etc) Being submissive is a personality trait and not the same as being a submissive which is a relationship role. From the “submission is a gift” crowd to the “I bow to all” gang, I see many posts on these forums that lack common sense. Submission is no more a gift than love is. They are both required parts of a healthy power exchange relationship. Sub frenzy is equally unbalanced because the blind submission of the meek is rarely treasured for long by either those that give or receive it. However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring. Just saying… (part of random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

Quivver -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/22/2008 8:57:27 PM)
Exactly why I said in the mentioned thread that I'm a selfish bitch, submission is a gift I give to Me.....

goodpet -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/22/2008 8:58:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist ...... However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring. ....st saying… Well said. Too bad it is not well understood by the masses. ~ann

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/22/2008 8:59:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Quivver Exactly why I said in the mentioned thread that I'm a selfish bitch, submission is a gift I give to Me..... Many people will not understand that it is its own reward. Well put.

VioletAshes -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 6:29:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring. Though it may sound bizarre to some I believe that equality is the heart of any D/s relationship. If you are not equals, it simply will not work long term.

chiaThePet -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 8:03:56 AM)
Ok, let's try this again, I think we can do better Helen. Ready, go. Left, left, left, warmer, warmer, STOP! <CRASH> It's ok Helen, we'll clean it up later. Maybe if you didn't flail your arms so much sweetie. "Paging Miss Keller, paging Miss Keller, please pick up the white courtesy phone." Alright, let me quide you dear. To the right, no, the right Helen, your getting colder. Better, warmer, warmer, easy does it, stop, stop, STOP! <CRASH> It's ok, nothing a couple of stitches won't take care of. Alright, from the beginning, left, right, right, warmer, warmer.......... chia* (the pet)

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 8:44:49 AM)
If my submission was a gift then I would not expect anything in return. I do expect him to do what was negotiated upon. As a slave my needs are met when his are. I do have needs and wants just as he does. I want my needs met just as much as he does his. It is more of a symbiotic thing instead of a gift. I never could relate to the gift theory.

gypsygrl -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 9:00:26 AM)
quote: Though it may sound bizarre to some I believe that equality is the heart of any D/s relationship. If you are not equals, it simply will not work long term. Not bizarre at all!!!

RCdc -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 9:06:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VioletAshes Though it may sound bizarre to some I believe that equality is the heart of any D/s relationship. If you are not equals, it simply will not work long term. Doesn't sound bizarro, but I don't agree at all. I am not identical in any way at all to anyone else. We have our own strengths and differences which compliment each other and create balance. Our unequality creates equality. the.dark.

gypsygrl -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 9:16:14 AM)
In my mind, equal doesn't mean the same. Right now, I'm thinking of two different substances on either side of a balance that have the same mass. The substances themselves might differ in every respect, but they still balance each other. The point at which I'm unable to provide a counterweight to a d-factor is the point at which I cease to submit and am simply overpowered. I've been in this situation on a couple of occasions and its dangerous for both sides of the slash. (Conversely, if the d-factor can't counterbalance me, I end up flipping the top.)

RCdc -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 9:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gypsygrl In my mind, equal doesn't mean the same. Right now, I'm thinking of two different substances on either side of a balance that have the same mass. The substances themselves might differ in every respect, but they still balance each other. The point at which I'm unable to provide a counterweight to a d-factor is the point at which I cease to submit and am simply overpowered. I've been in this situation on a couple of occasions and its dangerous for both sides of the slash. (Conversely, if the d-factor can't counterbalance me, I end up flipping the top.) For us, equality comes from balance, so that is probably simply a difference in the understanding of equality. It does depend if you see the word as a noun or an adjective. I am speaking from the perspective of a adjective. I am not equal to Darcy at all. I have differences that compliment his but I am not his equal because we are not the same. We have qualities that enhance or meet each others but we are unique in ourselves. Unequally equal. As a human(noun), yes we are equal - but that is where equality for me ends. the.dark.

silkncarol -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 2:24:19 PM)
I agree ResidentSadist.....my personality is submissive and i don't think of myself as giving a gift...it is who i am and what brings me joy....but....i'm strong and independent and know my own value. I think many submissives don't understand the power they must have to enter into an exchange.....you have to have something to give on both sides.

Daes -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 2:51:51 PM)
When I describe submission i tend to describe it is "Giving myself" which is more accurate than describing it as a "gift". That said, submission, like love and trust, should Never be given blindly. These things are to be valued, not taken for granted. They are to be given to those that are worthy of keeping them. Trust begets love just as it does submission. To give it to a stranger is one's own folly.

GreedyTop -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 5:46:07 PM)
whenever I see 'submission is a gift'.... I always wonder if it's a toaster, blender, or matched set of towels.

AquaticSub -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 5:51:26 PM)
Regardless of one's position on the term "gift" (hey, if people can use poetic terms such as "slave belly/heart" and "natural X", I can view love, submission, dominance, and my friends through poetic terms as gifts and blessings in my life), we're not a fan of blind submission. We're not much of a fan of blind anything really, be the devotation to a political party, a spouse, country or a religion.

AquaticSub -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 5:52:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop whenever I see 'submission is a gift'.... I always wonder if it's a toaster, blender, or matched set of towels. Well, my submission does match his dominance very well. And the carpet. That one is so important... [;)]

GreedyTop -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 5:53:40 PM)
smoooches AS :)

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 6:04:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop smoooches AS :) For some reason, I read this as Smooches Ass......[8D]

AquaticSub -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 6:05:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop smoooches AS :) For some reason, I read this as Smooches Ass......[8D] Well I prefer smooches on the lips but whatever floats yer boat. [;)]

slaveluci -> RE: -=Blind Submission=- (6/23/2008 6:09:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Submission is no more a gift than love is. They are both required parts of a healthy power exchange relationship I'm surprised no one has refuted this statement yet. I've read here from alot of folks how love is not required at all in any lifestyle dynamic. quote: Sub frenzy is equally unbalanced because the blind submission of the meek is rarely treasured for long by either those that give or receive it. However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring. I agree with this wholeheartedly. "Sub frenzy" to me is nonsense and nothing but a flimsy excuse to act totally stupid and without restraint and yet not be "to blame" for ones' actions. I don't believe it exists...........luci

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