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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/23/2008 6:17:05 PM

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I agree with this wholeheartedly. "Sub frenzy" to me is nonsense and nothing but a flimsy excuse to act totally stupid and without restraint and yet not be "to blame" for ones' actions. I don't believe it exists...........luci

I'd have to disagree with that. I've never actually seen anyone say "Oh I'm just in sub frenzy - it's not my fault!". When I've seen it, it was me or someone else saying "Maybe you should slow down and not try to play with 30 people in one night. It seems like you are frenzying" only to be met with "No, I'm not in frenzy! I'm in perfect control!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!"

Exaggerated for comedic effect of course.

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/23/2008 6:22:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
Submission is no more a gift than love is. They are both required parts of a healthy power exchange relationship

I'm surprised no one has refuted this statement yet. I've read here from alot of folks how love is not required at all in any lifestyle dynamic.

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Sub frenzy is equally unbalanced because the blind submission of the meek is rarely treasured for long by either those that give or receive it. However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. "Sub frenzy" to me is nonsense and nothing but a flimsy excuse to act totally stupid and without restraint and yet not be "to blame" for ones' actions. I don't believe it exists...........luci

I think the mind set of some of the other philosophy threads has spilled over and I hope it is understood what is meant when I said “relationship role” and “healthy power exchange” in the OP.

And yes, accountability is very important in a balanced and healthy relationship.

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/23/2008 10:18:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

-=Blind Submission=-
(sub frenzy, rapture… etc)

Being submissive is a personality trait and not the same as being a submissive which is a relationship role. From the “submission is a gift” crowd to the “I bow to all” gang, I see many posts on these forums that lack common sense. Submission is no more a gift than love is. They are both required parts of a healthy power exchange relationship.

So, if a Dominant is training a submissive, and there is deep respect, mutual admiration, but no 'love' between T/them, it's unhealthy somehow?

Sorry, can't agree.

(As for common sense, I don't really expect to find it here, and thus am hardly surprised if it's generally lacking.)

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Sub frenzy is equally unbalanced because the blind submission of the meek is rarely treasured for long by either those that give or receive it. However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring.

Sure, but can't 'subfrenzy'--experienced by someone who is not meed, and who is not submitting blindly--be transformed into an enduring thing, once the intial 'frenzy' wears off?

I think so...

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(part of random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

Hmmm. Random philosophy doesn't seem like a very good idea. BDSM for the masses, philosophy for the masses--let alone BDSM philosophy for the masses--seems like a very bad idea, IMO...

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 12:36:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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However, the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring.

If there was one definition of a Master it would be the trait of non dissentive behaviour. Why is it that so many D-types react to balance and strength in a slave as threatening. It is simply viewed as passive=agression from this side of the equation.
Also again just saying.......

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 3:27:54 AM

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my thought...I have maintained for a few years that in order for the power inequity to survive and thrive, respect and trust must be equal and/or reciprocal.

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 4:32:15 AM

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ok just My penny's worth.. and yes I know that as a S/switch I fall into a little bit of a different catagory than most ..
I have been a Domme for umm lets just say many years.. and during that time I have switched and submitted to 3 people in total... and I do see my submission as a gift.. it is not a given and will never be...

As for my submissives.. I like them strong and value there submission as it was so perfectly stated above... "the surrender of someone balanced and strong enough to be your equal is enduring"..

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 5:57:32 AM

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I see many posts on these forums that lack common sense.

So.do.I

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 6:03:42 AM

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I've never experienced the "sub frenzy" thing before. I won't play with just anybody, won't give my trust to any so called Dominant that comes around. So I see my submission as a gift? I'm not sure. I see it as a choice, and a personality trait. With the majority of people in my life, I'm a type A personality, large and in charge, no nonsense man. In my work as a bouncer, especially in the place I work, I cannot afford to be anything less. I have to be the one in complete control of my environment and the people around me. Otherwise, someone other than me gets hurt.
In my love life, I'm just not that way. I'm not type A, don't have control of my environment, and I love it. Am I still a strong, capable man? You bet. I just get to show my soft, loving side alot more. My submission gives me balance, it relaxes my mind, makes me feel safe and protected. I have people that come to the club I work at that tell me when I am around, they feel so safe and secure, because they know I will do whatever I have to do to make sure they have that, which ends up with me getting hurt quite a bit. I so understand that feeling, when I have the collar on, and I am sitting at my Domina's feet, there is nothing more safe to me than that.
<shrug>, I've been rambling alot lately, I've had so much going on in my life, and am feeling a tad overwhelmed right now. I was at the club Saturday night, and wanted to just crawl into the coffe table that's also a cage, curl up and just kind of hide out. Funny how the club is where I feel most calm in my life right now.

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RE: -=Blind Submission=- - 6/24/2008 6:12:37 AM

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Sub frenzy isn't always bad if it surfaces after good, healthy common sense decisions have been made. In fact, sub frenzy just makes intense sensations and feelings all the more intense. Why wouldn't you want to be completely excited by someone? Why wouldn't you want a build up of tension?

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