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i wish to be more polished.....diamond in the rough........analogy.

if you spoke of how you feel that w/ the proper guidance and training you could be more ...well of a fulfilled woman in many aspects of your life..................

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
if you spoke of how you feel that w/ the proper guidance and training you could be more ...well of a fulfilled woman in many aspects of your life..................

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and i find it to be quite the turn off that i would have to explain this, perhaps the man in question and myself are not going to even be close to the same wave length.

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i guess what i am asking is, woul;d any of you subs/slaves bother......to continue to get to know this person and kinda throw salt over your shoul;der

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

actually i didnt mean kneel and serve or the cookie cutter Dom thing,lol.

i wish to be more polished professionally(business like instead of student mode) and i did explain this to him.

i feel i could act more ladylike with certain behavior modifications(instead of being stuck in mom mode so much). i feel some of my manners are lacking in certain areas.

perhaps diet and exercise being controlled as to having better health.

that sort of thing

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

it will be real time.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

it will be real time.

I think you should meet rt before you work out a whole training scheme.

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
yet he claims to have trained many subs...............

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Hmm..to modify, change, improve those area's would require a change say in grocery's, what you fixed for dinner, who has control over the money, are you allowed to just spend on these you want and not ask (sexy dress ensemble etc.) or spend money on joining a gym, or money on a self improvement knowledge course/class etc.

While alot of times it is nice to have those things you initially would like become a reality down the road without you having to institute them (ie the control or loss there of to accomplish)..It sometimes takes a little extra involvement on your part without disrupting any control that is already established by your Owner.

Say for example: If your really wanting to diet and get healthy, try looking up a good healthy diet plan that you would like to try, write it out (don't just say i'd like to try this..make it something presentable, tangible to hold in your little hands that shows effort on your part..kneel sometime at his feet and relay what you have done, and present that dietary plan to him from your own lil hands and let him read it. Then ask if thats okay to do, and if so at that point express that you might need alittle help in sticking to it even though you really want to, and see if he can offer suggestions to help stay your course.

It is just a different attempt but it still shows him the importance of it to you but leaves that decision making that is his, intact.

If these area's are afforded to you to do at will, then maybe just starting into them and allowing for some time of visible changes in you to appear might spark more interest or control of what your doing from him.
If you've told him previous to comming together that you would like these area's improved, and he agreed he would to or yes that was important to him as well, but now that your with him it is no longer important...well only you can decide from that point on what is more important to you.

Good Luck
starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
yet he claims to have trained many subs...............

I have a paperweight on my desk given to me by student reporters at a newspaper where I was advisor. It says simply "If your mother tells you she loves you, check it out with an independant source." It was their way of saying they had heard what I told them hundreds of times.

Claims are easy. Claims where the criteria are vague (training) are even easier.

In short, don't worry about what a person claims. Look at what you want (well rounded training) and come up with some objective criteria (I want to learn how to cook Mexican food and give a pedicure) then ask "How can you help me attain these goals."

I chose those illustrations because Rio enrolled in a beauty school to learn foot massage and pedicure on her own (Libby loves it) and we helped with the tuition at a cooking school so she could learn some other styles of cooking.

Obviously, not everthing a slave does can accomplished on her back.

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

we are not together yet,still in the talking stages of things as to what we both want and need.

thanks ,spending habits is something i need help on,lol, i do pay bills first but i do spend alot on unnecessary things.
perhaps i would have to have him watch me on that as well.

i will also keep in mind on how i present these matters to him.

i do have so much to learn

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

we are not together yet,still in the talking stages of things as to what we both want and need.

thanks ,spending habits is something i need help on,lol, i do pay bills first but i do spend alot on unnecessary things.
perhaps i would have to have him watch me on that as well.

i will also keep in mind on how i present these matters to him.

i do have so much to learn

This is NOT a dig at you personally or anything like that.

But we hear so often chiding and denigrating doms for just wanting a "free maid and sex toy."

How often do descriptions of what subs want sounds just like a "free trainer and life coach"?

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

thanks, i do wish to be well-rounded, not just pleasure. service would be incorporated. i guess maybe sometimes i think in terms of being a slave and not just submissive.

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

thanks, i do wish to be well-rounded, not just pleasure. service would be incorporated. i guess maybe sometimes i think in terms of being a slave and not just submissive.

Things might be a little less confusing if you simply banished "slave" and "submissive" from your vocabularly for a while. That way you could concentrate on what you want for yourself and your partner without having to wonder just which box you both fell into.

Labels are good servants.... terrible masters.

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spending habits is something i need help on

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

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spending habits is something i need help on

Ok I understand that there are some area's that you feel you need help in..a push, control, etc. But it also would seem to me that alot of what Is going to happen or what it Will be like once you are under his roof/domain would be being addressed as you speak now?

Meaning like before Master and I had seen one another He told me exactly what He would expect from me, and what I would and would not be able to do. Some of the information He just told me..other subjects I had to ask. Money was one of those area's..While I was to have my own bank account with money in it, it was a reserve for incase's and what-if's, and I had to ask for permission before buying anything.

This gave me a general idea beforehand of how it would be..ofcourse it's varied a tad now that we are together to make things run smoother, but I still have to ask permission before buying anything..lol

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin