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Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 4:27:28 PM

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Can online training and real life training go hand in hand with each other in preparing a new slave for what will be expected of them?

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 4:51:49 PM

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Greetings,

If the intent of online training is truly to progress to real life, then it can be a very valuable tool, as it can establish protocols, rituals and behaviors that will be used when the time comes to merge real life with online interactions. On line training can save time and energy in the short run. If online training is simply for online, then it becomes scarce more than entertainment. It may evidence some positive behavior changes, provide structure in an unstructured life, but without follow up, will be transient.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 5:54:52 PM

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Kind of like distance learning- the student has more responsibility for their own education. A motivated student or a motivated sub can learn a lot. The caveat that I would make, however, is that the emotional dynamics of any relationship can spin out of control pretty easily when there's a lack of substantial contact to ground them. It's easy to assume the worst/best at all times when there's a lack of verifiable feedback. Imagining things can be exciting, but if imagination races too far ahead of experience, when experience comes it may be a shock. Or simply disappoint.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 5:59:18 PM

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Sure can, and as this is online, meeting people online, it starts here. How you take it, how you advance in the conversation with people and eventually meet, is all up to you really. Online only works for some, though very empty overall, others use this to meet, chat and find like-minded.

If it's a game at any point, it is a game all the time, online or off. I met a very serious slave online, and now she sits at my feet. Lets hope there are more serious girls out there.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 8:18:52 PM

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I would 'ass-u-me' (ie. I've never done this personally) that the value of online training is in direct proportion to the interest level of the student. If that student WANTS to learn and be better at something then this would be a valuable tool to use. If the student is only half interested or half scared then you will get something less than half the expected results. It can also be a learning tool for the teacher to find out how the student reacts to various stimuli.........

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/5/2005 10:42:12 PM

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Well that's more than half the problem...sorting out just how motivated the submissive is in wanting to be trained this way. There has to be a real need on the submissive's part to want to be trained at all. And the Dom has to have enough experience and skill to make sure that the submissive gets what they need in order to stay motivated.
It's a lot of hard work for both sides, especially when you cant just reach out to swat a girl's behind if she isn't learning her lessons properly. But...if you are lucky enough to pair up with someone as committed as you are in this endevour, then online training can be a valuable tool in learning the skills needed to move on to a RT Dom.
I've been training girls online for years, and most quit after the first week or two after finding out that I actually required them to do some work...that not every session would involve a sex act and that my primary motivation was NOT to get them off!
But I also had one girl work with me for four years. There was nothing spectacular about her slavery, it was full of routines and rituals and rules...and it suited her temperament completely. She now serves a RT Master in a quiet life and both are very happy.
Online training can be effective, but only if your expectations meet the limitations and commitment level of the medium.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/6/2005 2:01:33 PM

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Mostly down to the participants and how committed they are (which is not much different to RT relationship). Online training can form a useful precursor to meeting and I have used it to sometimes suplement a relationship where I couldn't always be present. I have had completely online relationships but those tend to differ in the requirements.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/6/2005 3:09:12 PM

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Yes i believe that it can and does. i was in a long distance relationship with my Master prior to moving to be with him, and being able to chat online helped me to be able to ask questions and go thru the things he wanted of me. i feel any type of communication is important as long as it is truthful and meaningful.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/6/2005 10:19:33 PM

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Of course you must remember that online training can be a lot different than it was five years ago. Web cams are cheaper and easier to use, their technology and reliability are up, and coupled with realtime voice communication you can have a "face to face" meeting with someone anywhere in the world!
There are even internet toys available that allow you to stimulate or punish your partner real time at the press of a key. It's amazing how the porn industry just keeps on pushing the boundries of what can be done online. :)
But really, when properly equiped, all that is really missing is the all important human touch.
Online is no substitute for the real thing, certainly, but technology is bringing it closer and closer.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 6:52:27 AM

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It can definitely be done, but it really depends on the people involved. Personally, i could never be satisfied with online training. i'm a hands-on kind of girl, and doing things on the internet would discourage me. The physical, face-to-face contact is something that i need in order to learn and grow properly. i can't help but associate the internet with either play or fakes, so it just wouldn't be fulfilling for me at all.

But that's just me. i know it can be easy and helpful to train online, but to each their own. :)

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 12:35:44 PM

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Yes, online traing can be used with real time training, but ... online training is of very limited use in serious training. It takes hands on for there to be any serious progress made. All the reading and venting won't prepared you for the first time a Dom says, Take off your clothes and assume a kneeling position. All the online in the WORLD doesn't adequetly prepare you for that. In fact, too many people actually make the mistake of thinking that online can, in some ineffible way, substititue for real oife training and online "experience" and substitute for real life experience. Yep, discussing ptotocols, annecdotal incidents, that sort of thing; online is fine. But once you get beyond there, the real world trumps evenything.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 12:36:53 PM

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A well trained and prepared sub/slave can adequetly make up for any difficulty engenderedby her period.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 1:12:49 PM

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i've done both, and both were, because of our mutual commitment, equally successful. Yes, one can lie perhaps easier on-line than face to face, but the trust has to be there in both cases or it just doesn't work. While he couldn't swat my butt if i didn't learn something properly, i think the on-line training was good because it required patience that might not have been there otherwise.

There were times when i found on-line especially useful because it gave me time think about my answers to some of his questions, and time to formulate my own questions to him. The biggest problem is that, in my own experience, it was easier for mis-understandings to develope. There were times when one of our "inner voices" wasn't the same as the one felt by the writer, and all manner of problems would insue. But..it was a great way to get to know each other by our words, and later on, moving into face to face venues, i knew more about what he wanted, needed or hated in ways i didn't with a strictly face to face relationship.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 1:30:03 PM

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i'm looking foward to being able to integrate both. My Dom isn't far but right now 24/7 is impossible for me,but technology makes us ever present when the need is there.

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Mostly down to the participants and how committed they are (which is not much different to RT relationship). Online training can form a useful precursor to meeting and I have used it to sometimes suplement a relationship where I couldn't always be present. I have had completely online relationships but those tend to differ in the requirements.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 2:00:44 PM

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i'm looking foward to being able to integrate both. My Dom isn't far but right now 24/7 is impossible for me,but technology makes us ever present when the need is there.

I'm confused. Is this your dom who is the same person you were asking the training questions about over the weekend? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 2:33:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jadia

Greetings,

If the intent of online training is truly to progress to real life, then it can be a very valuable tool, as it can establish protocols, rituals and behaviors that will be used when the time comes to merge real life with online interactions. On line training can save time and energy in the short run. If online training is simply for online, then it becomes scarce more than entertainment. It may evidence some positive behavior changes, provide structure in an unstructured life, but without follow up, will be transient.

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jadia,

I agree with you 100%. I won't train someone online that I do not have the potential to move into r/t with. I also have a busy life, and need to be able to evaluate a prospective sub online for a short period of time. I have never been disappointed with this method, as another Dom stated earlier..if the sincerity is not there things fizzle out very quickly.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/7/2005 6:19:31 PM

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the same.we worked things through successfully at this point so that i will be accepting the training.

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i'm looking foward to being able to integrate both. My Dom isn't far but right now 24/7 is impossible for me,but technology makes us ever present when the need is there.

I'm confused. Is this your dom who is the same person you were asking the training questions about over the weekend? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/8/2005 3:41:50 AM

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i have had experience with both online and real life training and will say that i learned things online that i might have not learned in real life ... or at least, not as quickly.

i spent a short time doing online gorean role play. i experienced slavery at a much deeper level than i had previously experienced in a real life collar. the safety of the online context allowed my heart and slave belly to open tremendously. online training, for me, was very subtle and yet extremely powerful. you cannot feel the sting of a whip online (physically) but the impact of knowing that you displeased your Master was a worse punishment than any real life sadist could dish out.

i learned (began to learn) the art of being pleasing. my openness and expression of this was much greater online than it had been in real life. most importantly, i learned the "art" of slavery and the emphasis of being "pleasing."

granted, i still have much much to learn. but the online forum opened me to a way of thinking, feeling and behaving that my real life experiences had yet to do.

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/8/2005 6:32:29 AM

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Deleted, posted in the wrong forum!

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RE: Online training vs. Real life training - 11/10/2005 11:19:42 AM

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