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Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:23:13 PM

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Wouldn't it be cool if this happened in OUR lifetime??

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:33:07 PM

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It's certainly a very exciting field of research. Once Kepler gets launched we should get a flurry of discoveries in a whole host of areas.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:35:55 PM

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That would rock. Space the final frontier..I don't care what anyone says it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:37:41 PM

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GT, you silly goose... we already know there is a Counter Earth - it's called Gor!

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:43:02 PM

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smartass :) *smooches and gropes Sunny*

Of course, finding an Earth twin.. while cool.. would be simply a 'factoid' for many years, IMO... since, as far as I know, nobody is poised to make use of another place to offload some of the overpopulation HERE (ftr.. given the chance, I'd happily sign up..)

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 10:59:43 PM

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Actually, there has been some interesting theories for intersteller travel come out of the field of quantum physics. While nothing like the famed warp drive of startrek, there seems to be some possibilities in the theory dealing with controlled wormholes, i.e the jump drive.

Should these theories prove to be useful, there still will be the problem of insuring that the destination you actually arrive at is the destination you wanted. I think that if you emerged from one of these worm holes inside a star, your day may be ruined, likewise if you emerged from the jump inside a planet.

Then of course there is this:

The Alcubierre metric, also known as the Alcubierre drive or Warp Drive, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional warp drive from Star Trek, which can travel "Faster-than-light"

In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand. The ship would ride this wave inside a region known as a warp bubble of flat space. Since the ship is not moving within this bubble, but carried along as the region itself moves, conventional relativistic effects such as time dilation do not apply in the way they would in the case of a ship moving at high velocity through flat spacetime.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 11:26:14 PM

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Such radial velocity shift planets do not exist.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 11:34:23 PM

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GT, you silly goose... we already know there is a Counter Earth - it's called Gor!

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 11:45:15 PM

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smartass :) *smooches and gropes Sunny*

Of course, finding an Earth twin.. while cool.. would be simply a 'factoid' for many years, IMO... since, as far as I know, nobody is poised to make use of another place to offload some of the overpopulation HERE (ftr.. given the chance, I'd happily sign up..)

I think it behooves us to do less fucking and more conserving HERE-or our twin is going to resemble the moon.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 11:55:25 PM

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wait.. I mean.. we should do less procreating (who wants to stop fucking??), and pay more attention to environmental issues..

(edited to clarify my thought...)

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/24/2008 11:55:57 PM

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This air travel mess just keeps getting worse and worse. You pay for a ticket to NYC and arrive in Bangkok, and your luggage went to Tyler, Texas.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/25/2008 12:22:07 AM

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GT. there is one major point that you and everyone keeps forgetting. If we ever do develope intersteller travel, we still take ourselves with us.

Thus, in the future, it is highly likely that some human will see an alien spacecraft, make the statement, "It looks hostile, let's fuck with it."

And the aliens proceed to exterminate the human race.

Or, if there is an intelligent race observing us now, I will almost certianly bet that as soon as it even looks like we are about to venture out to the stars, we gonna get blasted back to the stoneage, unless we change our outlook.

Another point to be made, the only way to get a colony to actually grow in population with any certianty is in a polygomist society. Approximately one male to every 10 females. This will allow for genetic diversity as well as insuring that a large number of children are born in the soonest possible time frame.

Within this system, it would be in the best interest of the colonists to actually work on desired traits in offspring. While this sounds like eugenics, and plans for a master race, it is quite the opposite. Intelligence, physical strength, dexterity, intuition would be the primary tracts needed in an off world colony.

As in the Dune Series by Frank Herbert, once a credible genetic lines with the desired traits are created, breeding back to the parent line every few generations would only strengthen the traits, eventually making them dominent.

Each colony would actually be creating new genetic branches of the human genetic tree. In essence creating sub species within the human race that are adapted for different climates, gravity, etc.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/25/2008 12:24:27 AM

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I see the ultimate evolution of humans as into cyborgs. Focusing entirely on fragile flesh seems rather futile-when immortality is at hand.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/25/2008 12:57:38 AM

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the aliens proceed to exterminate the human race.

No, they won't.

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Or, if there is an intelligent race observing us now, I will almost certianly bet that as soon as it even looks like we are about to venture out to the stars, we gonna get blasted back to the stoneage, unless we change our outlook.

Seems a bit silly, considering the tremendous effort they already have invested in us.

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the only way to get a colony to actually grow in population with any certianty is in a polygomist society. Approximately one male to every 10 females. This will allow for genetic diversity as well as insuring that a large number of children are born in the soonest possible time frame.

Audacious.

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Within this system, it would be in the best interest of the colonists to actually work on desired traits in offspring. While this sounds like eugenics, and plans for a master race, it is quite the opposite.

It is?

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Intelligence, physical strength, dexterity, intuition would be the primary tracts needed in an off world colony.

Might be useful on this planet also, I suspect.

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As in the Dune Series by Frank Herbert, once a credible genetic lines with the desired traits are created, breeding back to the parent line every few generations would only strengthen the traits, eventually making them dominent.

Dominant.

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/25/2008 1:00:22 AM

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jlf..I agree :)

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RE: Finding Earth's Twin - 6/25/2008 1:51:57 AM

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smartass :) *smooches and gropes Sunny*

Of course, finding an Earth twin.. while cool.. would be simply a 'factoid' for many years, IMO... since, as far as I know, nobody is poised to make use of another place to offload some of the overpopulation HERE (ftr.. given the chance, I'd happily sign up..)

The inhabitants might be a little more heavily armed than the Iraqis were. The neocons wouldn't be able to rape another planet.

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