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Vendaval -> Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:18:11 PM)

I saw "Hulk" the other night with a friend who is a long term comic book fan and we were discussing how many recent movies were comic books or graphic novels.  We were pondering why this is a new trend and what other stories will make it onto the big screen.


"Graphic Novels are Hollywood's Newest Gold Mine" -  Time
by Rebecca Winters Keegan
Thursday, June 19, 2008

"At first, it was the family-friendly superheroes who made the leap to multiplexes, with the help of directors like Bryan Singer and Chris Nolan. Slowly, lesser-known comic books got a shot. Some, like Sin City and Hellboy, became modest box-office successes by adhering to the distinctive spirit of their creators. Others, like Road to Perdition and A History of Violence, attracted audiences with sophisticated stories that few people knew were derived from graphic novels.

Then came the spear that pierced the industries of comics, movies and ab videos: 300. "I was pretty sure we were making a boutique movie," says director Zack Snyder of his R-rated, blood-spattered retelling of the Battle of Thermopylae. With no stars and a lot of leather bikini bottoms, 300 grossed more than $200 million in the U.S. alone."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1816487,00.html



DomKen -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:20:54 PM)

Comics are a visual storytelling medium much like film so it is natural that one would become a source for the other. It is of course helpful that computer graphics now allows movies to be true to even the most outlandish comic.



TheHeretic -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:27:41 PM)

          I think a lot of it is simply that we have the special effects and digital technology to do it now.  Sin City was a visual feast (and I don't just mean that scene with Jessica Alba).  There have been great stories in that medium for a long time, but it's only recently been possible to really bring them too the screen

       A History of Violence was from a graphic novel?  I didn't know that.  Fun movie.



fungasm -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:45:04 PM)

Am I the only who gets snotty about the difference between comic books and graphic novels?

Batman is a comic.  The Dark Knight Returns is a graphic novel. 

Comics cost $3 and are serials. 

Graphic Novels cost $8-24 and are self contained.

Both are being plundered, in more ways than one, for Hollywood. 

For every 300, there is a Hellboy.  It gets fans, but we geeks weep.



MzMia -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:45:04 PM)

Vendaval, my hunch is people enjoy movies that are "new", "different", "action" packed and
exciting.
 
I am enjoying all of these super-hero movies!  I think I enjoy them more than the um's,
even though I don't know half of what is going on!

They are..................exciting and they do what movies should do....make you forget
about all the other "crap" going on in the world.
 
I am an old movies affectionado! Many of the greatest films ever made were made  during the depression years.
  "Gone With The Wind", "The Wizard of Oz", "Dracula", "Frankenstein", "Scarface"
"Grand Hotel", the list goes on and on.

Film History of the 1930s

 Maybe Hollywood will actually start to make better movies as the economy goes down the tubes.
As times get harder people want to escape and want something different and exciting to look  at!
 



slvemike4u -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 10:54:53 PM)

MzMia did You like "Road To Perdition"with Tom Hanks,I know I did(Hanks is a wonderful actor who I think would have been a star under the old studio system)Was suprised to learn that was a screenplay of a book adapted from a comic



MzMia -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 11:00:50 PM)

slavemike, no I did not see that movie, it sounds like something I would like.



jlf1961 -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 11:03:33 PM)

No, fungasm, you aren't.

Granted, I grew up on comics.  I also have an interest in anime, manga and the like.

However, with the trend in artwork within the comic and graphic novel industry moving more and more toward looking like cells from an animation, the jump to the screen is inevitable.

Personally, after the success of sin city and the style with which it was done, I would like to see more done in this way than taking the original and doing another spiderman or hellboy type picture.

The major problem is that hollywood is taking good, well thought out work and turning it into film in a way that does no justice to the original or even the character.

Taking a graphic novel or comic and turning it into a movie which has the singular purpose of showing off more cleavage than the last one without thought to the essence of the character, the motivation of the character, or the entire reason for the character's actions is nothing more than a skin fest with a bit of violence thrown in.

I can get that going to the local strip club and watching mud wrestling.



slvemike4u -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 11:09:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

slavemike, no I did not see that movie, it sounds like something I would like.
Do see this movie MzMia,Hanks is brilliant has a twenties era hitman with a code of honor.Paul Newman turns in a typically fine piece of acting has an Irish Mobster and Jude Law is also noteworthy as a relentless hunter of men...well worth the 2 hours.



fungasm -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/25/2008 11:17:44 PM)

All I know is that I'm both fearing and really looking forward to what they will do with Sandman.

Sigh.



Level -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 3:28:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm

Am I the only who gets snotty about the difference between comic books and graphic novels?

Batman is a comic.  The Dark Knight Returns is a graphic novel. 

Comics cost $3 and are serials. 

Graphic Novels cost $8-24 and are self contained.



Yeah, but there are self-contained stories within the larger serialized stories, too.
 
I'd love to see Sandman done, and done well, also. And Garth Ennis' Preacher, James Robinson's Starman, and I dearly hope they don't fuck up the upcoming Watchmen movie.



jlf1961 -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 3:47:20 AM)

Excuse me, this is hollywood we are talking about.  Look at what they did to starship troopers!  Granted, it was not a graphic novel, but come on, the only thing it had in common with the book was the names.





Level -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 3:54:06 AM)

The flame of hope burns eternal [:D]



farglebargle -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 5:00:34 AM)

The important thing is the original writing, and did the Hollywood Hacks fuck it all up.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is a good example of good writing getting fucked up by the Hacks.




DomKen -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 5:51:41 AM)

Does everyone know that Wanted will be another Starship Troopers?



OmegaG -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 7:02:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm

Am I the only who gets snotty about the difference between comic books and graphic novels?

Batman is a comic.  The Dark Knight Returns is a graphic novel. 

Comics cost $3 and are serials. 

Graphic Novels cost $8-24 and are self contained.

Both are being plundered, in more ways than one, for Hollywood. 

For every 300, there is a Hellboy.  It gets fans, but we geeks weep.


And then some of us are so geeky that we thought 300 was a fictional dramatization of a historical event, until we wandered into Borders and saw the graphic novel.



JohnSteed1967 -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 7:03:02 AM)

ya want to see something really cool? Look for the 1943 Batman serial full of anti Japanese Racial slurs!!!



abcbsex -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 8:32:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: fungasm

Am I the only who gets snotty about the difference between comic books and graphic novels?

Batman is a comic. The Dark Knight Returns is a graphic novel.

Comics cost $3 and are serials.

Graphic Novels cost $8-24 and are self contained.

Both are being plundered, in more ways than one, for Hollywood.

For every 300, there is a Hellboy. It gets fans, but we geeks weep.


And then some of us are so geeky that we thought 300 was a fictional dramatization of a historical event, until we wandered into Borders and saw the graphic novel.



I'm in this camp. When I saw the trailer for 300, I thought to myself, "Awesome! a kickass historical movie that doesn't bore the 18-24 range!" and wrongly assumed that someone in hollywood had a bright idea.

I also think this trend is going on because the new directors and producers coming into hollywood grew up on this stuff, so naturally they want to make it super-uber-awesome.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 12:47:46 PM)

quote:

Comics cost $3 and are serials. 


OMG, they're 3 bucks now?  Damn, I haven't bought a comic book in so long.  The last time I remember buying one they were a dollar.   

I have 2 boxes of comic books sitting in storage.  I collected them when I was a kid.  I just lost interest in it when I got in my late teens. 



Vendaval -> RE: Graphic novels and Hollywood (6/26/2008 1:28:07 PM)

slaveboy,
 
Do you remember what series you have in storage?  Or a list of the titles?  You could have a nice investment there.



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