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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 9:40:19 AM   
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Women using their sex for power


Is Candy's story your definition of using "sex for power"? I see it as intellectually submissive and more self humiliating than anything I see in this lifestyle. And since it's purpose is for monetary gain versus pleasure or pleasing a Dom/me it begs a comparison to the "oldest profession". Identified for what it is, I have no issues.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 12:02:16 PM   
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Is Candy's story your definition of using "sex for power"? I see it as intellectually submissive and more self humiliating than anything I see in this lifestyle. And since it's purpose is for monetary gain versus pleasure or pleasing a Dom/me it begs a comparison to the "oldest profession". Identified for what it is, I have no issues.


Yanno, Mercnbeth, i have been mistreated by real estate agents, amoung other professional people, and i don't hate all real estate agents. i think it's terrible that You have litigation going on...i know that's extremely stressful. But calling me a prostitute -- or comparing me to one -- is just plain out of line.

FYI; my cases affected the elderly and the poor; opposing counsel represented Big Insurance or Big Health Care...nothing wrong with such clients, but i knew i was on the side of the angels.

The Code of Professional Ethics calls for "zealous representation". i never did anything sexual WITH opposing counsel; it's not my fault men cannot multi-task <WEG>.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 12:15:28 PM   
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But calling me a prostitute -- or comparing me to one -- is just plain out of line.

You're using people's desire for something sexual from you to get something that you want...and getting paid to do it.

And you're pretty proud of it.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 1:08:52 PM   
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Open up the best brothel in town and have a cyote ugly style bar open down the street.



Oh God, that's one of my fantasies....to be a Coyote Ugly Bartender!!! Of course, I'd be the oldest one on record and would need a chairlift to get up on the bar.....but how cool!!!

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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 1:37:53 PM   
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There is an individual that went through a lot of trouble to cause me a great deal of grief. I would like to publically humiliate him in a mentally damaging way that he would never be himself again.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/7/2005 11:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see anything wrong with prostitutes. I think it should be a taxed service - just like cooking someone's meal at a fast food place.

I think that by legalizing that - and marijuana - we could drastically reduce the nasty debt that our -cough choke hack- good leader -shudder- has given to our future generations as a lovely little memento of his time in office.

We can sell every other part of our body, but for some reason we can't see fit to sell something so many people are content to give away. I can understand simply not paying for the service if it isn't your thing - but to demonize it and the people involved in that profession makes it that much easier for them to disappear without a thought.

Johns beat them up... pimps beat them up... they don't get health care... don't take care of themselves... possibly passing on things to others... possibly developing cancer.

We don't wag our fingers at construction workers for selling their muscles. We don't tsk tsk fishermen for selling their muscles. We don't hiss and boo at the police force or the military for devoting their muscles to a cause (at least not all of us at any rate). So I think men and women should be able to put a price on their sexual muscles.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/8/2005 12:42:39 AM   
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We can sell every other part of our body, but for some reason we can't see fit to sell something so many people are content to give away.


I sooo agree with this.....Just think how they ask for our body parts after we are dead, they encourage us to mark our driver's license....and somebody is making BIG bucks!

But some people think we don't have the right to own our bodies and sell it or give it away as we choose when we are alive....

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RE: Naughty act - 11/8/2005 1:43:14 AM   
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RE: Naughty act - 11/9/2005 6:27:05 AM   
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We can sell every other part of our body, but for some reason we can't see fit to sell something so many people are content to give away.

MadameDahlia


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I sooo agree with this.....Just think how they ask for our body parts after we are dead, they encourage us to mark our driver's license....and somebody is making BIG bucks!

But some people think we don't have the right to own our bodies and sell it or give it away as we choose when we are alive....

brightspot


i completely agree with legalising marijuana. i'd legalise all drugs and regulate and tax their usage. i'd also empty the prisions of anyone convicted of a non-violent drug charge. i'd send the Drug Czar and the DEA home to get jobs that somehow contribute to the GNP.

Prostitution is a bit different. It's not a well-defined word; it covers everything from Heidi Fleis to a street whore. i am uncertain how best to view any part of the spectrum, but i feel street whores need assistance and protection from the place of high risk they currently occupy to one of safety and well-being.

When i objected to Mercnbeth's comparision of me to a "common prostitute", i was not disrespecting real people who are prostitutes. i feel very strongly that everyone -- even our weakest and most vunerable people -- has an inherent right to be treated with respect by virtue of being human. i make exceptions only for people who have comitted such heinous acts as pedophilia.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/9/2005 3:35:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Is Candy's story your definition of using "sex for power"? I see it as intellectually submissive and more self humiliating than anything I see in this lifestyle. And since it's purpose is for monetary gain versus pleasure or pleasing a Dom/me it begs a comparison to the "oldest profession". Identified for what it is, I have no issues.


In my profession it is a well known fact that some women, particularly the ones who don't play so well, get their gigs from sleeping with the contractor or someone else who has the power to get them hired. Then there are some women who get their gigs from taking real auditions, just playing their instrument and doing it well enough to win the position. It's pretty easy to figure out which are which. As a member of the latter group (the ones who take auditions and I don't mean the horizontal kind) I look at members of the latter group with not much respect.

Any woman who claims to be a feminist and then uses her attributes, sexuality, whatever, including hiking her skirt up in court to me is 1. a phoney and 2. one of the biggest detriments the feminist movement could shudder to have in their midst.

Mercnbeth, I'm with you on this one too.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/9/2005 4:04:47 PM   
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Any woman who claims to be a feminist and then uses her attributes, sexuality, whatever, including hiking her skirt up in court to me is 1. a phoney and 2. one of the biggest detriments the feminist movement could shudder to have in their midst.

Mercnbeth, I'm with you on this one too.


Why?
Because a woman knows how to manipulate a man? Understands the power she has with her body... her sexuality?

Women do it all the time... to deny you don't, or that you at least don't understand the power you have as a woman, is dismissing who you are. It has nothing to do with feminists or political correctness. If a man is weak enough to fall for it, then thats their weakness... or strength depending on how they perceive it.

Women have power, its up to a dominant to control.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/9/2005 5:04:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Is Candy's story your definition of using "sex for power"? I see it as intellectually submissive and more self humiliating than anything I see in this lifestyle. And since it's purpose is for monetary gain versus pleasure or pleasing a Dom/me it begs a comparison to the "oldest profession". Identified for what it is, I have no issues
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In my profession it is a well known fact that some women, particularly the ones who don't play so well, get their gigs from sleeping with the contractor or someone else who has the power to get them hired. Then there are some women who get their gigs from taking real auditions, just playing their instrument and doing it well enough to win the position. It's pretty easy to figure out which are which. As a member of the latter group (the ones who take auditions and I don't mean the horizontal kind) I look at members of the latter group with not much respect.

Any woman who claims to be a feminist and then uses her attributes, sexuality, whatever, including hiking her skirt up in court to me is 1. a phoney and 2. one of the biggest detriments the feminist movement could shudder to have in their midst.

Mercnbeth, I'm with you on this one too.

cellogrrrlMK


Not IN court..where does that silly idea come from? As for my feminist leanings; well, i have issues with NOW and MS magazine which were formed in the '70's and continue to this day.

i think some people need their funny bone restored. Mercnbeth hate lawyers because of the six figures that has been paid to a lawyer to defend a "nuisance suit"; not sure if cello hates lawyers or not.

Myself, i love lawyer jokes.

candystripper

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RE: Naughty act - 11/9/2005 7:14:06 PM   
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Why?
Because a woman knows how to manipulate a man? Understands the power she has with her body... her sexuality?



Professionally dark~angel, my sexuality is not an equation. I make sure of that.

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Women do it all the time... to deny you don't, or that you at least don't understand the power you have as a woman, is dismissing who you are. It has nothing to do with feminists or political correctness. If a man is weak enough to fall for it, then thats their weakness... or strength depending on how they perceive it.



I suppose I have some power as a woman. However, I have no desire to use it in a professional setting. I prefer to get my work based on how well I play, as opposed to what I look like, how I do or don't dress, or how I'm willing to compromise my morals to win a job. I'm proud of the fact that I have never f**ked for work, but rather have worked my ass off, played a good audition, and won the job fair and square.


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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 12:23:23 AM   
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i was/am a lawyer with many years experience...used to litigate cases worth 100's of millions of dollars. Once in awhile, i'd settle prior to trial; i'd wear stockings and garters, and let my skirt ride up when i sat down in the conference room. i'd wait till opposing counsel was good and hard, then begin negotiations...and get everything my client wanted.

Later my general counsel would ask "what happened?" and i'd look innocent and say "i dunno...they just folded".

LOL; one of my "dirty lawyer tricks".

candystripper


Once again you totally amaze me, with your words.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 12:32:17 AM   
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Myself, i love lawyer jokes.


Are you serious about this statement pp\cs?
Because I have some great one's to share and some good blond jokes too.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 2:29:36 AM   
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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 5:25:30 AM   
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Myself, i love lawyer jokes.

candystripper


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Are you serious about this statement pp\cs?
Because I have some great one's to share and some good blond jokes too .

brightspot


Yeah; i used to collect both kinds; lawyer jokes and blonde jokes, but i lost my C:drive contents using freeware that was supposed to clean for viruses, so i guess i have to start over. Here are some of my favorites:

What's the difference between a dead snake in the road and a dead lawyer in the road?

Answer: Skid marks in front of the snake.

Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste dumps and California get all the lawyers?

Answer: NJ got 1st pick.

What's the difference between a pit bull and a lady lawyer?

Answer: lipstick on the lawyer.

i could go on, but these should be enough to tickle someone's funny bone.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 7:36:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
Why?
Because a woman knows how to manipulate a man? Understands the power she has with her body... her sexuality?



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Professionally dark~angel, my sexuality is not an equation. I make sure of that.

cellogrrrlMK


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Women do it all the time... to deny you don't, or that you at least don't understand the power you have as a woman, is dismissing who you are. It has nothing to do with feminists or political correctness. If a man is weak enough to fall for it, then thats their weakness... or strength depending on how they perceive it.


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I suppose I have some power as a woman. However, I have no desire to use it in a professional setting. I prefer to get my work based on how well I play, as opposed to what I look like, how I do or don't dress, or how I'm willing to compromise my morals to win a job. I'm proud of the fact that I have never f**ked for work, but rather have worked my ass off, played a good audition, and won the job fair and square.

cellogrrrlMK


Frankly i am amazed at the prudish nature of some of the responses; all i did was show my legs...he he. But then Mercnbeth are honest enough to admit their hatred of lawyers arises from a lawsuit they are engaged in which has cost them six figures to defend. Don't have any idea about cello's feelings towards lawyers.

Whether cello admits it or is even aware of it, attractive people of both genders have a leg up; when competing for a position against a less-attractive woman or a man, undoubtedly cello has been chosen partially because people desire attractive people around.

As for "acting for financial gain"; that's a laugh. i was a salaried state employee; i couldv'e been like some lawyers in my office and settled cases for $2,500 irrespective of the harm the offending Insurance Company or Big Health Care provider had done. My cases affected the elderly and the poor; i made restitution and a hefty fine a part of my settlements.

i couldv'e gone over to the dark side and made much more money, but i never felt at ease with the idea of helping an insurance company defraud people.

i love lawyer jokes and i know most everyone probably has a particular lawyer they despise, but i think Mercnbeth are just too angry with the whole profession; it's irrational. As i said, i've been mistreated by real estate agents but don't hate all realtors.

i collected lawyer jokes and blonde jokes for years...IMAO.

candystripper

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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 8:19:24 AM   
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But then Mercnbeth are honest enough to admit their hatred of lawyers arises from a lawsuit they are engaged in which has cost them six figures to defend.


You mentioned this twice. Once was too much. Maybe it's to save face, but it's wrong. I really tried to let this die, but I won't let my position be misrepresented. I hate no one. I hate the industry of lawsuits. The actions of lawyers have ruined the image of professionalism that lawyers had. The lawsuit and my attorney's inept handling was anecdotal reference. It's the actions and activities that generated, not hatred, but disrespect. Working for me, if you related that story of how you "won" the case, I would have been pleased with the result for pragmatic reasons, but I would have never considered having you represent me again. I would much rather have paid the six figures than be forced to rationalize my attorney exposing herself while representing me. To be as clear as possible, that would hold even if the attorney was doing so "Pro Bono".

I am cursed with a mind that analyzes what I read and see differently then most. And when I do I'm compelled to point it out. Other than the "for instances" that I've already covered. Here's another...Why are woman considered a minority and deserving of special EEO/AA consideration in colleges and in the work force if they represent more than 50% of the population? Former prejudice you say? Then why do woman represent over 50% of the students in colleges, more than 50% of the grad students, more than 50% of the students attending med school, and over 60% of the people attending law school?

The answer isn't important. Does pointing this out indicate that I hate women? NO - it's pointing out fact.

Since you've continued to try to spin this, I'll pose one other question. When you originally posted this you noted that your general counsel wondered and asked; "what happened"...
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Later my general counsel would ask "what happened?" and i'd look innocent and say "i dunno...they just folded".


If your behavior was consistent with this;
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The Code of Professional Ethics calls for "zealous representation". i never did anything sexual WITH opposing counsel; it's not my fault men cannot multi-task <WEG>.


Why not be proud and disclose it to him?

beth wants me to point out that she doesn't hate lawyers either. One even helped her out. I checked and he didn't have to stuff a salami in his pants to do so. He just "zealously represented" the facts.

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RE: Naughty act - 11/10/2005 8:51:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK


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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
Why?
Because a woman knows how to manipulate a man? Understands the power she has with her body... her sexuality?



Professionally dark~angel, my sexuality is not an equation. I make sure of that.

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Women do it all the time... to deny you don't, or that you at least don't understand the power you have as a woman, is dismissing who you are. It has nothing to do with feminists or political correctness. If a man is weak enough to fall for it, then thats their weakness... or strength depending on how they perceive it.



I suppose I have some power as a woman. However, I have no desire to use it in a professional setting. I prefer to get my work based on how well I play, as opposed to what I look like, how I do or don't dress, or how I'm willing to compromise my morals to win a job. I'm proud of the fact that I have never f**ked for work, but rather have worked my ass off, played a good audition, and won the job fair and square.



It isnt all about sex or how many people you fuck... its about using the skills and powers you have to progress. Whether its a smile or a laugh or a rather attractive suit to make you look extremely professional. Professionalism is everything, of course it is but don not doubt that at times, whether you are conscious of it or not, your sexuality plays a part of where you go, or how you achieve. To that door that is opened, that perfume you where, that make up you apply, the way you cut your hair, whether you pierce your ears... everything to be sexually acceptable and use that power. It is naive to believe otherwise.


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