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RE: Pro Dommes - 11/7/2005 11:02:16 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: MistressFire70

Pro Doms fill a need in our society, just as sex workers fill a need (I am NOT saying that Pro Doms are sex workers!).


G'day Fire,

I'm informed that here in Sunny Queensland, Pro Dominants are classed as sex workers and are regulated by the same act.


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RE: Pro Dommes - 11/8/2005 4:00:00 AM   
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why aren't there any pro subs out there...and, if any existed and got together with a ProDom...who would pay?



I think it's a level of supply and demand. Men will pay for such things. Women rarely will.


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RE: Pro Dommes - 11/8/2005 4:26:07 AM   
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I wish there were professional male submissives available in the skill levels and variety that there are female pros. I'd have no problem with that!

Akasha


You know, i had thought about mentioning this myself a few times, but with all the negative responses i've gotten for speaking my mind...i refrained from it. it is a curious thought...why aren't there any pro subs out there...and, if any existed and got together with a ProDom...who would pay?



my two cents worth



At Inner Explorations, we had female submissives for sessions with clients. The sessions were more expensive, because a staff member had to be present in the dungon at all times to protect the submissive from limit violations and to assure that the legal limits were complied with. I'd say the female submissives did about 10 percent as many sessions as the professional dominants.

There was zero demand for male submissives. This might be cultural or simply a supply and demand situation

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RE: Pro Dommes - 11/8/2005 8:02:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		i've seen a lot of pro submissives here in Colorado. They aren't as prevalent as pro dommes...i think that's because it's a lot more dangerous to be a pro sub. Who knows what some stranger would be capable of when they have you tied up and gagged. i've also seen where a lot of pro sub's work alongside the pro domme's and participate in the sessions, or where someone just wanted to observe a "session."

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/2/2005 4:41:33 AM   
chgodomcouple


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well me and soem friends trow BDSM parties one every 1-2 months.... and usually me and this Domme Tina work in the Dungeon... but we do it for fun and experience we dont charge at all. However the last party the owner of the place said that this other Domme Alex was going to work and charge that night but i could still have my fun... welll im social and people are used to seeing me around this scene so quickly i had people lined up for fun.. and Alex all night had about 5 'custumers'.... I looked at her and said ' I told youso'.. how people know me, and trust me they come to me... they dont know her much and she doesnt socialize....

so i think people rather engage into activities as such with someone in the scene then a pro-domme.....

A.S.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 2:42:25 PM   
mons


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Status: offline 		i talk to many of the pro dommes and this is a misleading way to called theim it would have some of the people who are not really intune with our way of lifestyle it would have them think this are women who are the best as the meaning pro is in front of their dommes names but it is not so they are tjust being paid for someone who wants a non contminent, but as for them bbeing so mean or other wise i find many not all to be nice and friendly and some were not so nice others have been very rude in fact but 90% are very nice but i am not a customer so i can not speak for them at all but i do find they are nice so newbies when you see the pro dommes this does not mean they ae better then any other dommes it is just a form of saying they are paid to have session

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 3:06:10 PM   
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This quiestion is directed at non pro lifestyle people. How do you feel about people making money on our lifestyle. Is it " bottomfeeding and oppurtunistic", or are you okay with them.



There are bottomfeeding and opportunistic people in every walk of life. Some of them are 'pro dommes' although I'm hesitant to call them professionals (as I would be hesitant to call anyone who conducts themself that way a professional).

I know a lot of pros that are wonderful people with lots of integrity. I know a few pros that are complete head cases, I've seen more than my fair share of ads by people who mistakenly think hanging a shingle out is easy money.

Depends on the person, not their chosen profession.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 3:15:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelMI

You know, i had thought about mentioning this myself a few times, but with all the negative responses i've gotten for speaking my mind...i refrained from it. it is a curious thought...why aren't there any pro subs out there...and, if any existed and got together with a ProDom...who would pay?



my two cents worth



There are quite a few pro subs. Most established houses have pro subs.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 3:27:01 PM   
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I know a few pros that are complete head cases, I've seen more than my fair share of ads by people who mistakenly think hanging a shingle out is easy money.


Excellent point and welcome back to Collarme MizSuz. I think there are as many "ProDommes" out there of this caliber as there are wannabe subs. The haystack is large for both sides to search for the needle.

anthrosub

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 4:10:47 PM   
MHOO314


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Status: offline 		They serve a purpose just like prostitutes, strippers, pole dancers and escorts. IMHO They have a right to earn a living and customers have the right to purchase a service.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 7:22:11 PM   
talmar


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Status: offline 		I think Pro Dommes provide a valuble service. I served A Pro Domme Mistress who was also life style for ten years. I wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination call it bottom feeding. Just my two cents.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 10:27:02 PM   
EvilGeoff


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Status: offline 		Lessee.... In my personal experience in the lifestyle, I have met several professional Dommes, never met any pro subs (unless you count the folks I've hired to do yard and or housework), and bazillions of "amateur" (meaning don't get paid cash) lifestylers.

Truth be told, I've found more bottom-feeders in the general BDSM population than among the pro's I've met. It certainly isn't a statistically supportable observation, just that I've been exposed to far more people in the general population, so I've had far more opportunity to run across sleeze-balls, pretenders, users, and abusers.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/9/2005 11:25:30 PM   
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Of course, I do not see prostitution as a real crime either.


I think prostitution should be legalized then they may actually have some hope of the girls getting health care and stuff instead of haviing stds and knowingly not doing anything about it cause of laws.


Half the girls who're dirty don't do anything about it cause you'd have to open your whole sexual history to the eyes of the dr.


There'd probably be some way to moniter it if you will. have reputable houses or something where all the girls are kept clean instead of picking up an unknown hooker on the road and maybe getting something nasty at best and at worst jacked.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 12:17:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly think it cheapens a lifestyle / practice that holds a great deal of personal significance to me. I've talked with a few "pros" before in my youth, and ALWAYS came away from such interactions with nothing more than mild disgust. It's strange how some are so willing to pay through the teeth (and on their knees) for their precious illusions.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 6:56:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it that a discussion about prodomination usually turns into comparisons between pro domination and prostitution? I liked the poster who used doctors and lawyers for comparison. Less stigma (well, maybe not).

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 7:09:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

Why is it that a discussion about prodomination usually turns into comparisons between pro domination and prostitution? I liked the poster who used doctors and lawyers for comparison. Less stigma (well, maybe not).



because society sees it (in many societies---not all) as pay for something considered taboo--however we willingly stand in line to pay the Dr who graduated last from medical school and still consider that acceptable---

IMHO I agree that proDommes serve an awesome purpose as they often times act as a good counsellor for those confused about the life---or those who don't want a deeper hmm what's the right word---ongoing relationship---but that is not to say subs don't get attached to a proDomme, they can and often do---

its economics 101--supply--demand--demand---supply

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 7:35:11 AM   
MizSuz


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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

its economics 101--supply--demand--demand---supply



So is retail, but we don't usually compare it to prostitution.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 7:37:29 AM   
MizSuz


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ORIGINAL: amayos

I honestly think it cheapens a lifestyle / practice that holds a great deal of personal significance to me. I've talked with a few "pros" before in my youth, and ALWAYS came away from such interactions with nothing more than mild disgust. It's strange how some are so willing to pay through the teeth (and on their knees) for their precious illusions.



I respectfully suggest that you did not actually speak to a professional. Had you done so you probably would have come away with a different perspective, if not a satisfying session.

Did you do your homework before you contacted these 'pros' or did you just attempt to interact with the first few ads that caught your attention?

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 11:46:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MizSuz


quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

I honestly think it cheapens a lifestyle / practice that holds a great deal of personal significance to me. I've talked with a few "pros" before in my youth, and ALWAYS came away from such interactions with nothing more than mild disgust. It's strange how some are so willing to pay through the teeth (and on their knees) for their precious illusions.



I respectfully suggest that you did not actually speak to a professional. Had you done so you probably would have come away with a different perspective, if not a satisfying session.

Did you do your homework before you contacted these 'pros' or did you just attempt to interact with the first few ads that caught your attention?


Does the name Ilsa Strix sound familiar? She was one (admittedly more intelligent, articulate and stable), among a handful...

I did a lot of research, yes, and untimately the business side of their nature just didn't give me that warm, fuzzy feeling. Perhaps I should have kept searching, but I just couldn't go to sleep at night and be content with myself doing so.

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RE: Pro Dommes - 12/10/2005 12:10:27 PM   
MizSuz


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ORIGINAL: amayos

Does the name Ilsa Strix sound familiar? She was one (admittedly more intelligent, articulate and stable), among a handful...

I did a lot of research, yes, and untimately the business side of their nature just didn't give me that warm, fuzzy feeling. Perhaps I should have kept searching, but I just couldn't go to sleep at night and be content with myself doing so.



Yup, I'm familiar with Ilsa. Poor girl's had her own share of troubles in recent years. The people I know who know her personally and professionally are all quite fond of her and speak highly of her.

It sounds like you did do your homework to some extent or another. Congratulations as it's not often someone who complains about pros has done so. As to your quest for the warm fuzzy, I can see how you wouldn't have gotten that from initial contacts, even with a legitimate pro. Whether the relationship starts in a chatroom, munch, coffee shop or in a pro dungeon it's still a relationship that must be developed. Some folks come together and immediately get warm fuzzies (I'm usually suspicious of that, frankly) and others have to let that develop over time. It's reasonable that initial interactions with a pro dom are going to be about business. Get the business out of the way early on and then set about seeing if you click, which is pretty much what lifestylers do too. A pro isn't going to let you test the waters for free, that's true. But if you value your man-hours then would you say that your investment in finding a lifestyler has been free? Has it been successful?

I admit to having a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who suggests that professional relationships are not 'real' or 'valid.' I have many extensive personal experiences that invalidate that notion and too much respect for the people who started as 'clients' and became 'regulars' and are now just 'important to me' to allow it to slide. To answer a question before it's asked - I haven't taken a new client in more than four years and I've been making my living in a vanilla venue since before then, so you decide whether I'm a 'pro' or not. It's moot to me.

In my experience the person who complains about the pro not being a real relationship or domme is generally the person who goes into the interaction from a suspicious "you're not going to take me for a ride" perspective. The pros I know won't waste their time trying to get past that; so the individual walks away feeling like they got treated like 'business as usual' when what they got was politely dismissed. I also acknowledge that this is not ALWAYS the case but simply the way things usually transpired in my world when I was a full time pro.

Your mileage may vary.



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